War Room (I know I am being ridunculus)

[quindraco]

It really isn't a great analogy. This type of procedure (simultaneous software releases) is the standard in the software industry. Apple to Oranges. You can't compare software to miniatures.

I hate when people do this. Any two things can be compared, no matter what they are. Watch me do it with apples and oranges: Both are fruits commonly used to produce juice that is consumed by humans, but only oranges need to be peeled prior to eating.

Here is a handy link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/compare As you can see, comparisons are also done to highlight differences, which makes it even easier to compare any two things.

Software and miniatures can easily be compared, provided you are mindful of the relevant differences and similarities.

[Jake the Dog]

I hate when people do this. Any two things can be compared, no matter what they are. Watch me do it with apples and oranges: Both are fruits commonly used to produce juice that is consumed by humans, but only oranges need to be peeled prior to eating.

Here is a handy link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/compare As you can see, comparisons are also done to highlight differences, which makes it even easier to compare any two things.

Software and miniatures can easily be compared, provided you are mindful of the relevant differences and similarities.

Yes, you can compare anything, wrong choice of words. But not all comparisons have validity. Simultaneous Releases are standard in the software market. Going and saying "this doesn't happen in the miniature market therefore it's wrong" is just flat out unfair.

[Fearless]

Tinkerhouse informs us that they expect the Apple certification process and the Amazon review to be completed mid-to-end-of-the-week. We'll keep you posted as we learn more!

Delayed again.....*sigh*

[Zephel]

Yes, you can compare anything, wrong choice of words. But not all comparisons have validity. Simultaneous Releases are standard in the software market. Going and saying "this doesn't happen in the miniature market therefore it's wrong" is just flat out unfair.

Except that it happens all the time. Many software packages are released on different platforms at different times. Just think of all the software released for PC long before mac. Or various apps developed onto android/iOS prior to or even exclusively. Sorry but saying they are alway or even the majority of the time released at the same time is flat out untrue.

[x3tsniper]

All I read in the response, is that it was delayed, AGAIN. >.>

Maybe I will wait for black friday to see if it gets cheaper. ><

[PG_General Nemo]

Let's keep our rage concentrated on our app-lessness and not at each other. We all want (essentially) the same thing here.

[sell-sword]

I hate when people do this. Any two things can be compared, no matter what they are. Watch me do it with apples and oranges: Both are fruits commonly used to produce juice that is consumed by humans, but only oranges need to be peeled prior to eating.

Here is a handy link: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/compare As you can see, comparisons are also done to highlight differences, which makes it even easier to compare any two things.

Software and miniatures can easily be compared, provided you are mindful of the relevant differences and similarities.

Technically, if you're looking for differences between two things, "Contrast" is a more proper term.

[Cheesy Flip Flips]

Let's keep our rage concentrated on our app-lessness and not at each other. We all want (essentially) the same thing here.

Seriously bros. Keep in mind that we can all still play the game, as we have been since the game was released.

[Sinsation]

Since the app is now gold, would it be possible to get a video up that shows the app in action on a few different devices in the final form? It would be nice to see the differences between various versions, and to see what it will look like in-play on the tabletop instead of just showing the screen as full picture size, since it won't be that big unless my phone is against my eyes.

[Jake the Dog]

Except that it happens all the time. Many software packages are released on different platforms at different times. Just think of all the software released for PC long before mac. Or various apps developed onto android/iOS prior to or even exclusively. Sorry but saying they are alway or even the majority of the time released at the same time is flat out untrue.

All of those are cases when the apps/software existed on X OS/Device before Y OS/Device. When they're developed side by side, it is the standard to have simultaneous releases. That is the case here.

[PG_Dalthoraz]

So sad wish there had been more fore thought and app had been submitted sooner and the release have been played. My friends and I were playing war room app launch game day and do nothing but played with war room no cards allowed. Oh well still going to play. I love PP and I have been extermely satisfied we the customer service with exception of this whole war room app release. But I guess that happens oh well still going to buy the collection on release.

[PG_Asa]

Yes it's a bummer, but it's the fault of big companies who dont even see PP they are so far up there. Not even fault, it's just how long it takes to get through the process. In my mind, they had it in the hands of the editor (apple android) before the 9th and told us exactly where and what it means. I think PP did much better this time around and I dont hold them at fault for it.

I still hunger to the depths of my little Menite soul for the app though. I lost my Vassal Mechanik card ages ago and Avatar needs a tune up. BAD!

[quindraco]

Yes it's a bummer, but it's the fault of big companies who dont even see PP they are so far up there. Not even fault, it's just how long it takes to get through the process. In my mind, they had it in the hands of the editor (apple android) before the 9th and told us exactly where and what it means. I think PP did much better this time around and I dont hold them at fault for it.

I still hunger to the depths of my little Menite soul for the app though. I lost my Vassal Mechanik card ages ago and Avatar needs a tune up. BAD!

There is no smartphone company or corporation on Earth named Android.

[PG_bnf]

If nothing else, incoming apps are probably checked for malware.

Yeah but that's most likely an automated process.

I'm sure the Android market at least requires a human being at some point in the process, and they probably don't work weekends.

I wouldn't be so sure. I can't imagine how all those crappy screensavers with non-nude strippers that clutter the market would make it through any approval process that involved a human being...

[PG_Asa]

There is no smartphone company or corporation on Earth named Android.

There's no room for specifics, this is nerd rage!

[mrjasonguy]

I don't have to have it right away. I think people are justifiably upset though. I have worked in the software industry and the release date is the date it is released to consumers. Making it through nintendo, microsoft, sony, ios,or andrioid approval is still considered part of the development process and should be planned for accordingly. Privateer chose a poor developer for their app. I think that is pretty evident by the numerous delays. (no matter if they have added new features)

[PG_General Nemo]

Being snarky is just not productive, Batman. He never said that it never happens, only that it's frustrating that the company did not plan for all factors in developing an app.

[PG_Gannon]

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

Classic.

I'll buy it when it comes out, until then I'll use iBodger and modify it for use with Colossals.

[mrjasonguy]

Delays happen, of course. A release date almost always is never announced unless the dev is sure or the publisher forces their hand. What you are thinking of is X thing is coming out summer 2012, and it will get delayed. Never, ever, give a specific date unless you are sure. I'm pretty sure that is written in stone somewhere.....

[mrjasonguy]

Delays absolutely happen. I stand by my original post as well.

[PG_LunarSol]

He correlated "poor developer" with "delays" which is incorrect and offensive. Delays are a natural part of any production because humans are pretty bad at predicting the future. The problem with the release has nothing to do with the fact that they missed their original release date, the problem is that consumers were told the release date in the first place. And we don't know who to blame for that. PP announced the release dates, but did they announce them under warning, caution, or encouragement from TinkerHouse? We have no way of knowing.

I'm generally fond of Miyamoto's philosophy: "A late game is only late until it's released. A bad game is bad forever."

[PG_General Nemo]

I'm generally fond of Miyamoto's philosophy: "A late game is only late until it's released. A bad game is bad forever."

Until hipsters start liking it ironically.

[esd3241]

I'm relatively sure I could have added multiple hours to my workday with all the time I wasted clicking refresh!

[Sinsation]

He correlated "poor developer" with "delays" which is incorrect and offensive. Delays are a natural part of any production because humans are pretty bad at predicting the future. The problem with the release has nothing to do with the fact that they missed their original release date, the problem is that consumers were told the release date in the first place. And we don't know who to blame for that. PP announced the release dates, but did they announce them under warning, caution, or encouragement from TinkerHouse? We have no way of knowing.

No way. The problem is typically not allocating proper time to fixing unknown elements. Delays are not inevitable, but rather a product of numerous problems and errors through the production process. You plan to release early but give yourself a later deadline. Not that hard in concept if people didn't mess it up.

P.S. There was an Android inc. Google bought it. Hence the common confusion about google being android inc.

[PG_stalledjack]

Wow, I am astonished by this thread. Am I eagerly anticipating the release of War Room, yes. Am I going to get all bent out of shape about an app that replaces my cards, etc? Not even close. Don't get me wrong, I want the app more than a night in the bundaberg rum brewery, just not worth nerd-raging over.

[MagnustheJust]

Seriously bros. Keep in mind that we can all still play the game, as we have been since the game was released.

Interwebz high-five dude!!

[Nuriochi_sol]

Wow, I am astonished by this thread. Am I eagerly anticipating the release of War Room, yes. Am I going to get all bent out of shape about an app that replaces my cards, etc? Not even close. Don't get me wrong, I want the app more than a night in the bundaberg rum brewery, just not worth nerd-raging over.

^^^^ This.

[PG_stalledjack]

And again, ha ha

[Tyr852]

In a related note from another site there was an article about the app process at apple. According to the head person there they are understaffed and spend most of their time looking for objectionable material so delays happen. When I hear gone gold with most software I don't expect to see it in stores for another week or 2.

The rage in this thread is entertaining though , not like you magically can't play the game or build a list with out the app . I mean they could just you know not release anything and C/D any game related app.

[CoinReturn]

The rage in this thread is entertaining though , not like you magically can't play the game or build a list with out the app . I mean they could just you know not release anything and C/D any game related app.

Actually, without pirating or buying the cards multiple times I can't. I was excited to put models on the table tomorrow that I haven't been able to use since I heard this app was coming out. I understand delays, the fact that it has been pushed back so far already was a minor inconvenience because they never put a date on it. I figured that they weren't confident enough to pick a date so i didn't get my hopes up. I wasn't expecting the app to go gold on the date I was told it was to be released.

And it's not rage, it is profound disappointment. I don't mind paying to replace things I have lost, but getting put off for this long is disappointing.

[PG_Duckboy]

Once it is out, i will be using it for every game I play for a week. Going to be stuck with Prime models only but my games will sure be interesting.

[Long Island Gamer]

He correlated "poor developer" with "delays" which is incorrect and offensive. Delays are a natural part of any production because humans are pretty bad at predicting the future. The problem with the release has nothing to do with the fact that they missed their original release date, the problem is that consumers were told the release date in the first place. And we don't know who to blame for that. PP announced the release dates, but did they announce them under warning, caution, or encouragement from TinkerHouse? We have no way of knowing.

There is a process for this called Project Management. Project management takes into account all the things you mentioned, and more. I'm not upset that I don't have the product yet, but I do think that when it was announced that the software went "gold", someone should have included the time frame from the moment it went gold to the time of release to the consumers. What we experienced was poor communication - nothing more or less. Now back to our regularly scheduled programs....

[Zephel]

The rage in this thread is entertaining though , not like you magically can't play the game or build a list with out the app . I mean they could just you know not release anything and C/D any game related app.

I'm not trying to portray rage of any kind, but just like CoinReturn said, disappointment. I've seen some great thing suffer from the offering of release dates, and then not hitting them and having to backpedal. The trick is to not give any type of release date too early. I've seen a lot of companies do this over the years and it genuinely frustrates their customers into looking for alternatives. I believe in this product and in PP but find it extremely disappointing to have such wish-washy dates from a well established company. I don't want to say it is TinkerHouse's fault or PP's...but the ball got dropped here several times. Saying it didn't is being blind.

I've gotten grumpy over the years I suppose, but I remember companies giving release dates and actually putting out a FINISHED (not needing lots of work/DLC/etc) product at that time. I think it's a bad trend things have gotten into that people will just brush off this type of behavior and companies just start abusing it. Not saying they will or are, but others do and I do not want to see that happen to PP since I have a lot of faith in them.

[Draekon Darkstorm]

My previous post needed clarification. I meant to say, models would not get released until all distributors had them available, for release day, but they couldn't release them until all distributors had them. Sometimes, some distributors get them later than others, it happens.

Draekon

[esd3241]

I don't want to say it is TinkerHouse's fault or PP's...but the ball got dropped here several times. Saying it didn't is being blind.

AMEN!

[PG_Vezinas Ghost]

He correlated "poor developer" with "delays" which is incorrect and offensive. Delays are a natural part of any production because humans are pretty bad at predicting the future.

Actually, considering movie studios like say Warner Brothers (eh Batman) set release dates sometimes YEARS in advance and still NAIL them to the release hour. I would disagree. They set a release date, and work backwards from there, with the necessary planning, budget, and development to reach that goal.

So if you can't back up a release DAY, then don't set one

[MidnightFox0083]

Actually, considering movie studios like say Warner Brothers (eh Batman) set release dates sometimes YEARS in advance and still NAIL them to the release hour. I would disagree.

How'd you like the new GIJOE movie?

[haruspex]

How'd you like the new GIJOE movie?

You mean that movie which has had less release dates missed /changed than this app? =P

[PG_Pake]

Wow, I am astonished by this thread. Am I eagerly anticipating the release of War Room, yes. Am I going to get all bent out of shape about an app that replaces my cards, etc? Not even close. Don't get me wrong, I want the app more than a night in the bundaberg rum brewery, just not worth nerd-raging over.

Amen. Seems like miniatures became functional only with War Room. How was the game played before War Room?
And the Big Bad Apple vs. Other Smaller Companies debate is funny. Apple is broken. OP. Cheesy. Beardy.
So what? So is Cryx. Switch camps.

Ps. I wrote this on my MacBook Pro. I'll follow this thread on my iPhone and I will install War Room on my iPad. Glad to be among the 1st ones to get it

[rivenwyrm]

Actually, considering movie studios like say Warner Brothers (eh Batman) set release dates sometimes YEARS in advance and still NAIL them to the release hour. I would disagree.

As a software developer, who has spent time studying the art of production, I would like to step in for TinkerHouse and say that their commitment to good software is admirable. Software development is far from a science, and is worlds away from movie production. For instance, movie production is typically performed with most of the crew there at the scene intently watching and helping. Most development work is done by a team of people who work alone and then come together to review the results.

The software industry as a whole has been attempting to

set a release date, and work backwards from there, with the necessary planning, budget, and development to reach that goal

for their projects for 5 decades, with very marginal success during that time. It is of course possible that we're all just a bunch of nitwits, but also be aware of the fact that the movie industry and theatre in general have been industries for more than 2000 years, while software development has been around for 2.5% that amount of time.