War Room (I know I am being ridunculus)

[esd3241]

Huh, the wait continues...

[AJ the Ronin]

Those snapshots are new right?

My bet those are the snapshots submitted as part of the approval process.

[Dragon2439]

Im worried they added those because they heard it will be delayed longer and it is some desperate attempt to placate us

[Tossy]

Seriously... losing faith... 3 days (after 3-4 months)

[PG_Big K]

Those snapshots are new right?

My bet those are the snapshots submitted as part of the approval process.

Considering this was at the top as an update I shouldn't be too long now.

UPDATE: War Room is still under review. We expect that War Room will be available in the coming days, pending the review process. War Room will launch simultaneously in all three stores.

[esd3241]

PP should totally have a count-down clock once they know the release date!

[CoinReturn]

PP should totally have a count-down clock once they know the release date!

I think I would hate that more than not knowing

[esd3241]

I think I would hate that more than not knowing

Possibly, but then I sometimes tend to enjoy the anticipation of an event more then the actual event itself.

[PG_Sobek]

Those snapshots are new right?

Hmm.... I'm still a bit worried. Those are obviously screenshots for a tablet. I'm still worried about how small some of that is going to look on a smart phone.....

[CoinReturn]

Possibly, but then I sometimes tend to enjoy the anticipation of an event more then the actual event itself.

Yeah, but I would see the timer and calculate if it was while I was working or sleeping and be all sorts of distracted rather than just checking here when I had the time to play with it.

[Alkony]

Ok, just looked at the screen shots. I hope there's some kind of setting for color blindness. My dad would never be able to read the tiny little Xs to mark damage. For that matter, I will probably be squinting a lot myself looking at a phone screen. Why not dot in the whole circle?

[MadJack]

Disliking something sometimes does not require logic.

In fact, in my experience, it usually does not require logic. I wish I could say that I'm an exception to that...

[Spike77]

I think PP realized they put a full card on the screen capture images. They just removed all except for the opening screen shot.

[Dragon2439]

I m honestly surprised troll threads havnt popped up saying "its finially here", etc. or have they and i missed them by on the ball mods?

[Lexington]

Holy crap, those look friggin' gorgeous. I just became an iPad owner, and this makes things even better.

I m honestly surprised troll threads havnt popped up saying "its finially here", etc. or have they and i missed them by on the ball mods?

I imagine if they ever did pop up, they and the people that posted them would be smote from the face of this fell Earth with a unholy fury.

[PG_Electric Seal]

I do like how the stats and the model list can be viewed on the same page. I shouldn't have to hit more than one button to see an individual model's statline. If the developers are smart, they should have an option to view all the statlines at the same time. Hopefully this thing was QA'd with real players extensively.

[esd3241]

Yeah, but I would see the timer and calculate if it was while I was working or sleeping and be all sorts of distracted rather than just checking here when I had the time to play with it.

Good point, I know I would be in a frenzy if I actually KNEW when it was coming out.

[Dragon2439]

And if the timer was off.......

[AJ the Ronin]

And if the timer was off.......

Chaos. And hey that did happened once when they revealed Hordes (a timer, that end up being off)

[esd3241]

And if the timer was off.......

That would be absolutely horrible.

[Battleworthy Arts]

Maybe there should be a poll. Id like to know how many people are going to accept war room in games and tourneys. If not, Ill sell my stuff and get out of this game.

[Jakal]

Maybe there should be a poll. Id like to know how many people are going to accept war room in games and tourneys. If not, Ill sell my stuff and get out of this game.

If it's a PP sanctioned event I don't think they have a choice.

[Mustakrakish]

Maybe there should be a poll. Id like to know how many people are going to accept war room in games and tourneys. If not, Ill sell my stuff and get out of this game.

Again, its officially supported in the Steamroller 2012 document:

Players can also use the War Room application during SR2012 events. When using War Room during an event players can: mark damage on War Room cards instead of physical stat cards; reference model and game rules from War Room instead of physical stat cards or rulebooks; and show EOs and opponents a Theme Force?s rules on War Room. Players must still share their model stats, damage, and so on with their opponent, whether or not that opponent has War Room. If a player?s War Room device fails during a game and the information cannot be recovered in a timely manner, the player will concede that game.

So to "refuse to accept it" is very contrary and making a mountain out of a molehill. I couldn't care less what you do.

[Reuben]

Anyone notice the Carver list shown is illegal?

[PG_Electric Seal]

Anyone notice the Carver list shown is illegal?

Yea, the app can't handle more than field allowance. Hopefully they'll tighten this stuff up after release. One of the best things about Ibodger is that whichen is a PLAYER and would spot stuff like that.

[ExiledinElysium]

Let's just be clear here - PP did not "get rid of" iBodger. There are no laws preventing it from being offered again. iBodger was likely removed voluntarily, or Whicken simply allowed the app contracts to expire. Anyone could put up an app with all of iBodger's functionality without worrying about legal ramifications, just as long as it was free and did not have copyrighted content. The only reason there isn't a competitor to War Room is because no one has taken the time to make one, yet. If that happens, PP's options are to ignore it or offer some kind of competing no-frills product.

I just...I gotta jump in here and correct some of these legal tidbits. As someone else has pointed out, this is patently false--iBodger used tons of material that is the intellectual property of Privateer Press. The names and titles of all the factions, characters, units, etc, are all owned by PP, either as trade names or copyright. Someone trying to recreate the application would definitely have to worry about legal ramifications because it would be essentially impossible to provide that functionality without using any protected content.

That being said, I want to dispel this notion that Privateer "killed" iBodger so it wouldn't have to compete. The following quote is illustrative of the belief to which I refer:

Kill what you cannot compete with, they obviously knew some people wouldn't want the data sharing and card marking abilities and would remain with iBodger (I am one of those people). So in order to ensure complete market dominance, they killed it. Do I like it no. Does it make sense, yes.

There is no competition or market dominance at issue here, because Privateer owns all the relevant material. The only reason iBodger existed was because PP gave them permission to use copyrighted material in particular ways. They did this because they wanted their fans to have access to the service even though they themselves were not able to produce it at the time. Now that they have developed their own version of that service, they've terminated iBodger's license to use the material. The only reason they're charging is because it's necessary to both provide a quality product and protect their intellectual property. They're obviously not going to put out their own app but limit it in the way iBodger was limited, but they can't have tons of people still using iBodger because that would undercut the positive network externalities they're hoping will come about because of War Room.

The only sensible way to look at this is that they were doing us a huge favor this whole time by allowing iBodger to exist, and now they're doing us a somewhat different favor. This isn't about monopolistic control or stifling innovation. It's about valid and proper use of their own intellectual property.

[ExiledinElysium]

It would make clear to me the nature of the community. One I wouldnt be interested in. Its a privateer product. Refuse my right to use it, and why cant i refuse your right to use any particular warjack or warcaster? Its asinine.

Using War Room is not remotely analogous to using a unit or model in the game. I shouldn't have to explain why--that's Logic 101. It's not asinine--plenty of people have brought up perfectly valid reasons why it might be a bad idea to allow War Room to completely replace physical cards, at least until players and tournament directors get used to the technology. Besides, requiring physical cards wouldn't bar you from using the app anyway. You have the cards already, and have been using them all this time, and will continue to acquire them when you buy new models, so why wouldn't you just bring them with you to comply with the tournament's back-up measure? You bring both--if your opponent has the app then you get to use it to look at his list and you keep track of damage on your physical cards; if your opponent doesn't have it, then you'll have to look at his physical cards anyway, and it's really the same amount of work to track damage on your cards or on your tablet so you're not really losing out on anything. After a couple months, when tournament organizers have seen the app in action and they're comfortable with it, then you can leave your cards at home, if for whatever reason they're too much of a hassle for you suddenly. How would any of this be evidence to a reasonable person that it's a bad community of gamers?

[Fenrisulfr]

Anyone notice the Carver list shown is illegal?

I think its trying to show of the league card update feature as in the current league there is a Thrullg that can be used on the Thornfall Pact.

[PG_Electric Seal]

I think its trying to show of the league card update feature as in the current league there is a Thrullg that can be used on the Thornfall Pact.

You win the optimism award

[Grey Knight]

As I said before, the current Apple iOS review times are 12-14 days. I wouldn't hold my breath....

[Fenrisulfr]

You win the optimism award

I would like to thank everyone for helping me get to this point it means everything in the world to me....

but seriously isn't its name just like more pissed of Thrullg that can randomly play for Thornfall and don't they talk about how they will be releasing the league cards over war room in the faq. would have made more sense if they used the Gorax for the example but hey, they didn't ask me to pick screenshots Thornfall got some pretty rad options in the new league.

But even with all that i still don't think I'd play a Thrullg with Carver either way he costs half a unit of Slaughterhousers and those make me feel like I'm going for the high score for Unit on war beast damage right now my high score is a pow 40 (p+s 11 and 29 on the dice)

[Conviviacr2]

It would make clear to me the nature of the community. One I wouldnt be interested in. Its a privateer product. Refuse my right to use it, and why cant i refuse your right to use any particular warjack or warcaster? Its asinine.

I am not a fan of War Room, I don't like how it can be used in place of cards. I for one will never use it. But as a friend pointed out, if that is what your opponent is using they better be just as willing to hand over that $200+ tablet as they are to hand over their cards for you to look at.

[Mod_Redphantasm]

I am not a fan of War Room, I don't like how it can be used in place of cards. I for one will never use it. But as a friend pointed out, if that is what your opponent is using they better be just as willing to hand over that $200+ tablet as they are to hand over their cards for you to look at.

I still fail to see why having someone else look at or use your device is a concern. They might drop it, but so might your wife, kids, parents, friends, co-workers or anyone else who'd like to use it. Heck, people hand their expensive (far more so then a tablet) cameras over to strangers all the time. If your opponent is anything above catatonic, they'll be careful with it.

[PG_UndeadDan]

Maybe there should be a poll. Id like to know how many people are going to accept war room in games and tourneys. If not, Ill sell my stuff and get out of this game.

Battleworthy, all PP supported events, which include any event run by a Pressganger will support the use of War Room instead of cards. There may not be provisions for charging your device or free and open wireless at all venues but you will be able to use War Room's damage tracking in it's most basic, single-player form.

Should you or anyone ever encounter a Pressganger who behaves otherwise, they are conducting themselves in direct opposition to the policies that PP has put in place and should be reported to the Quartermaster, PPS_Hungerford.

[Poppabear40]

Aaaaaaaand (fingers crossed) REFRESH!! ... Nope. Oh well, maybe I'll get some work done today after all...

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[AJ the Ronin]

I still fail to see why having someone else look at or use your device is a concern. They might drop it, but so might your wife, kids, parents, friends, co-workers or anyone else who'd like to use it. Heck, people hand their expensive (far more so then a tablet) cameras over to strangers all the time. If your opponent is anything above catatonic, they'll be careful with it.

(And I said this before) You don't even have to hand your device. Just click up to the relevant information (and by those screen shots here is at least 2 ways to present it) and lay the tablet flat on the board were your opponent may see what he requested. There is no reason for your opponent to touch your device in the whole transaction.

[PG_zengoth]

JUST FOR ME PERSONALLY...

For all my events I will still expect all my players to have physical cards there no matter whether they have WR or not. No matter the advances that technology bring, I don't want to move too far away from the basics of the game: physical models, cards, dice, measuring devices, etc...

As it seems I was not clear in my initial post, let me clarify:

I am not circumventing PP policy towards WR set forth in the SR rules. I do not plan to disallow WR to be used in ANY of my events. I plan on downloading WR the minute it becomes available and will use it to its fullest capacity. I will encourage everyone who has the capability to use WR to do so...

HOWEVER, I also feel that having the physical cards on hand for those of MY players who choose not to use, or do not have the ability to use WR, is a courteous and sportsmanly thing to do, and I will ENCOURAGE my players to have their deck with them at my events...

[WarpedWolf]

I'm glad to see the new screenshots. This is the first we've seen of functionality for Hordes, and It looks really good.

This is where I stand on the subject of War Room: It looks useful and nifty, but it's not going to make me leave my cards at home. More than that I can't say until I have it in hand.

[Mod_Redphantasm]

I m honestly surprised troll threads havnt popped up saying "its finially here", etc. or have they and i missed them by on the ball mods?

People who create such threads have to wait for war room all over again. That is the power we wield.

[bouncymischa]

(And I said this before) You don't even have to hand your device. Just click up to the relevant information (and by those screen shots here is at least 2 ways to present it) and lay the tablet flat on the board were your opponent may see what he requested. There is no reason for your opponent to touch your device in the whole transaction.

A tablet should be fine, but if they're using a smartphone or something they're likely going to have to reach over four feet of table space to put it somewhere I can see it clearly :P

It will be interesting to see if they can do full-screen cards on a tablet. GIANT CARDS! Probably a boon to those players with vision problems!