Cygnar rocks the british ETC

[Stephan Garmark]

Just got home and Ill keep it short. Best general was Brett Wilkie with Cygnar at an event of 240 players.

So yeah I'll say the blue rocks

[TerTer]

What was his list?

[dangerparty]

He was probably on the team that took 2x Stormwalls in all their lists. Easy to be number one when no one else could bring the answer to your equation.

[Picklechu]

He wasn't, though his team all had 1 Stormwall each.

[Stephan Garmark]

No he wasnt, that was Tommehs team, they did well. Bretts list was:

eHaley
Stormwall
Squire

Gunmages + UA
Sword knights (full)
Forge guard (full)

eEiryss
Junior
Arlan
Pendrake
2 x Stormsmith

I was lucky enough to play against him, and I must say it was a really good game and he's a really nice guy.

[Stephan Garmark]

I answered the second post. Tommeh was on the dual stormwall team.
The tournament winners actually killed all 8 stormwalls though

[FearLord]

He was probably on the team that took 2x Stormwalls in all their lists. Easy to be number one when no one else could bring the answer to your equation.

That must be why the double Stormwall team came first! Oh wait... they actually came tenth...

[Ysthrall]

Considering the long buildup for the collossals, the lengthy "how to deal with" threads on many forums, and the tendancy of gamers to push what advatage they can sieze, especially at major tournements... I suspect everyone had AN answer to a Stormwall ready.

Tough looking list.

[Sardonic Artery]

eHaley, Mercs and Stormwall are all considered cheating. It'll only be a real Cygnar victory when we beat our opponents' best, uninhibited armies with our worst (or so the forums tell me).

[Anurien]

eHaley, Mercs and Stormwall are all considered cheating. It'll only be a real Cygnar victory when we beat our opponents' best, uninhibited armies with our worst (or so the forums tell me).

Strangely, this seems to be true.

[Da-Rock]

I find this Cygnar and Stormwall hate exciting and fun! I have watched people play against Undead "we ignore the rules in Watmachine Prime" Cryx and Evercheat and see what a Faction looks like when it gets everything. We get one model and now we are like them?

I think most of the complainers are Cryx and Legion players who don't understand why or how another faction got something they didn't already have.

[Cronix]

Stormwall is a must have for Cygnar players, only for the model (we are lucky that we have recieved an amazing model with fantastic rules).

Edit: good to hear that Cygnar rocks ETC .

[Defenstrator]

eHaley, Mercs and Stormwall are all considered cheating. It'll only be a real Cygnar victory when we beat our opponents' best, uninhibited armies with our worst (or so the forums tell me).

You must read different forums. The only issue on these ones is why faction models like Stromblades aren't worth taking over Forgeguard even when the warcaster has a stall feat and Deadeye.

[PG_Tommeh]

Congrats to Brett! We had fun playing those guys.
Also, the fungame against Stephan was nice, especially as we just agreed on a game just to find out who's who

The walls were fun and it was nice to field Darius again. imo He's still far from our best caster but he did get buffed nicely.
In total I went 3 out of 6, playing like an idiot for two of those games and although I don't like the excuse, got seriously hosed by my dice in the third loss.

Overall me and my teammates agreed that generally our lists would be better with a single 'wall , and more balance but then we thought playing eight 'walls would be kind of cool. We managed a 10th spot (out of 55 teams) so I think people might come to see that Stormwall is just a very good model, and not an autowin (as some would have you believe).

[Stephan Garmark]

Wow, 10th, so we actually ended up better than you guys, I did not see that coming, we ended on a nice 8th place. (even though I got hosed and took some really bad matchups for the team like pStryker)
Actually the dual stormwall game against you was probably the best one I played, it was fun and Darius died to insane dice. Worst thing was getting the stormwall down to 1 and then run out of attacks really a powerful feat he has in that setup!

[PG_Tommeh]

We tied our last round in games, but lost on control points, which might sound familiar

[Stephan Garmark]

We tied our last round in games, but lost on control points, which might sound familiar

Hehe dont look at me mate, I only gave 1 away before serving up a hot Haley on a platter for the two stormwalls, it was my captain that gave away 3
We had our first 4-0 in the last round against team Haterz so that felt really nice.

[rwould]

Brett has consistently done well at UK tournaments and is the current UK number one so it is a more case of the player rather than the faction as he has done pretty well with Cygnar, Ret, and Legion.

[Stephan Garmark]

It's ALWAYS the player.

[rwould]

Heh, if I can go 5-1 with them they must be easy to play.....

[Action]

Had an absolute blast at the ETC played some great games over the course of the weekend against some really good players & tough match ups (Jacob - pIrusk, Stephan - eHaley, Ben - eHaley, Quint - Grim, Nick - pKreoss, Tim - pKruger).

Picked up 15 control points over the course of 6 games (winning every game by scenario) & collected 240 army points.

Lost Stormwall once to Menoth - dispelling arcane shield & dropping him with 2 charging 5 focus Reckoners (still the best jack in the game point for point?) & an Errant.

Was really pleased with how the list worked out as it performed solidly against everything it came up against. Now the ETC is out of the way & Cygnar have been proven to be completely overpowered I'm looking forward to getting back to playing my (less broken) Legion ;-)

[FearLord]

Lost Stormwall once to Menoth - dispelling arcane shield & dropping him with 2 charging 5 focus Reckoners (still the best jack in the game point for point?) & an Errant.

How did the Reckoners get to 5 focus?

[TerTer]

How did the Reckoners get to 5 focus?

Want to now that too. And even 2 off them got 5 foc, thought pNemo alone can give 5foc to only 1 jack.

[FiddyBucks]

How did the Reckoners get to 5 focus?

Harby and a player not knowing jacks max out at 3 focus?

[Action]

Kreoss charged with dispel on melee attack & Reckoners got 5 focus total ie 3 to 1 & 2 to other. Nothing dodgy going on don't worry.
The clock was getting tight & I'd been informed by my team that I needed to win on max controls for team to stand a chance of winning round which was tough as it was 'flag too far' scenario. Stormwall was jamming my flag repelling pretty much everything while the rest of army tried to engineer scoring CP's on far side of table - great game

[Stephan Garmark]

Brett, what was your reinforcements?

[Hint of Insanity]

Bretts list was:

eHaley
Stormwall
Squire

Gunmages + UA
Sword knights (full)
Forge guard (full)

eEiryss
Junior
Arlan
Pendrake
2 x Stormsmith

How was Pendrake used? Was it to supercharge the gunmages vs beasts, did he charge in on beasts with the forgeguard, or was it something else? I ask because I want to use this guy, I am just not sure where other than to buff the Stormblade's rat vs beasts or really put the hurt on a beasts with ecaine.

[Kraye]

eHaley, Mercs and Stormwall are all considered cheating. It'll only be a real Cygnar victory when we beat our opponents' best, uninhibited armies with our worst (or so the forums tell me).

Amen Brother. I've never seen such hate for a faction that, prior to Stormwall was considered 'weak' by many in these very same forums. Granted, I've not seen such issues in play, but that was still the general consensus from what I was reading.

[Sardonic Artery]

Wait a minute -- Thornless eHaley. Brain has 'sploded.

[Stephan Garmark]

He had the forgeguard instead. I brought Thorn and bitterly regretted it, with Stormwall youve already put 19 points into the battlegroup so taking another jack with Haley is a lot of points that could have been put to better use. In my game against Brett, he just cast TA and deceleration while keeping AS on the sword knights, that gave him two units that my poor gun mages just couldnt hurt.
Id rather have had the guard in my list with all the storwalls running around.

[Stephan Garmark]

Amen Brother. I've never seen such hate for a faction that, prior to Stormwall was considered 'weak' by many in these very same forums. Granted, I've not seen such issues in play, but that was still the general consensus from what I was reading.

Cygnar is a very strong faction now with the Porche of colossals in its arsenal.

[BarskeMannen]

A Colossal takes up more than a third of your points at a 50-point tourney. The Swans getting such a good one sure helped flesh out our tournament lists!

[Action]

Pendrake served several purposes:
1. To make the list 'appear' potent against hordes (important for trying to generate favourable match ups for your team mates).
2. Beast Lore increases chances of crits with both ATGM & the forge guard - both of which result in knockdowns from thunderbolts or slams
3. Pendrake himself can knock down things with his chain bola (there's a theme developing here lol)
4. Surprisingly good target for dead eye with his lucky boy for sniping key solos

From my experience although you can bond & cast temporal acceleration for a max of 7 melee attacks if they are against def 14 you need to boost to hit resulting in 3 boosted attacks which becomes touch & go on Ferals / Stalkers etc... However if what you are attacking is knocked down its dead!

At the risk of creating Internet rage I think he provided more options than Gorman in terms of this particular list & its playstyle.

In response to the reinforcement question I took: Blythe & Bull & ATGM unit - my team ridiculed me for taking Bythe & Bull but they were brilliant lol

[jotdi]

In response to the reinforcement question I took: Blythe & Bull & ATGM unit - my team ridiculed me for taking Bythe & Bull but they were brilliant lol

I still think it was a silly idea, Storm Towers are way filthier than B&B!

[tonylipira]

I love seeing perform well in tourneys, so winning one is just splendid! SR2012 favors melee armies so much that playing Cygnar is like playing on Hard Mode!

[Stephan Garmark]

I love seeing perform well in tourneys, so winning one is just splendid! SR2012 favors melee armies so much that playing Cygnar is like playing on Hard Mode!

So they keep saying but I always see Cygnar in the top of the tournaments I attend so I would say your argument is invalid

[tensteam]

So they keep saying but I always see Cygnar in the top of the tournaments I attend so I would say your argument is invalid

Also in that sense that the list presented didn't actually win the tournament. It got best general award, but a combination of a solid player and opponents below the top teams helped. That said the 2nd best general also had eHaley, played in the winning team and didn't play Stormwall so Cygnar did well anyway. What I am curious is were there any Cygnar players with some other caster than eHaley that had a good record?

[Stephan Garmark]

Yup, I dont have his list, but those swedes where very good. As I said before they met tesm sprocket and killed all 8 colossi which was some feat.

I think when we look at which casters win big events we'll see Haley 9 out of 10 times. Not because the other casters can't win, but because she's simply the best caster in Cygnar. The great players who win these events are great because they know how to play the game, make a lot of right decisions and identify how to play the strongest Cygnar list possible and lets just face it, Haley is part of that because she's so much better than the others on a tournament scene due to her feat, her perfect spell list and the fact that she has almost no inherently bad matchups.
Also she's fun to play and she's not as horribly boring as pHaley from the other side of the table.
Is she too good? Yes, she probably is, but I'm fine with that as long as it means more victories to Cygnar.

[Rochr]

top 2 players from Cygnar, Jeppa didn't play a Stormwall though.

[Sardonic Artery]

What I am curious is were there any Cygnar players with some other caster than eHaley that had a good record?

That's like asking Cryx players to leave eGaspy at home. There are other good casters for both factions, and yeah, you could win with them, but why would you leave your best at home?

I let peeps guilt me out of eHaley for the longest time... all while playing their best stuff. I'm not even the best with eHaley, but those days are done.