Ask Neuty about legion! questions thread.

[Arasaka]

I think I got lost in the question-barrage.

I'm still stuck thinking of a solution to the eFeora/pKreoss with Reckoner, Revenger, and 2 Vanquishers problem. I was thinking that eVayl with the list you have posted previously might stumble due to no-shooting and eFeora's immunity to fire which would neuter the Ravagores. pVayl and Saeryn get shot to pieces on the way in. Plus, enliven. eLylyth is stuck until the Naga is released (October?).

Please Obi-Wan-Neutralyze, you're my only hope!

(I'm even seriously thinking about taking a Nephilim Protector - that's how stuck I am...)

[Caldera02]

The Naga is an August release I believe, or september. The feora matchup is hard but not impossible, naga will make it tons easier though.

[H'lingus]

Like what? Does he play legion?

Nah skorne atm. but he always love's learning and he is over your way atm :3

[Arasaka]

The Naga is an August release I believe, or september. The feora matchup is hard but not impossible, naga will make it tons easier though.

Well that's good to know that I won't have to wait as long as I initially thought. And you're certainly right about the Naga making it a lot easier. It will make for a very different game then.

[Neutralyze]

I think I got lost in the question-barrage.

I'm still stuck thinking of a solution to the eFeora/pKreoss with Reckoner, Revenger, and 2 Vanquishers problem. I was thinking that eVayl with the list you have posted previously might stumble due to no-shooting and eFeora's immunity to fire which would neuter the Ravagores. pVayl and Saeryn get shot to pieces on the way in. Plus, enliven. eLylyth is stuck until the Naga is released (October?).

Please Obi-Wan-Neutralyze, you're my only hope!

(I'm even seriously thinking about taking a Nephilim Protector - that's how stuck I am...)

I have always used Pvayl vs efeora. With scytheans and other heavies you can get a heavy in their heavy pretty easily. Eventually elylyth and nagas will be the answer

[Neutralyze]

@roktop

Try out the change and let us know how it works for you. I tried for a long time to include them but found them slower in the grand scheme of the list.

[Arasaka]

I have always used Pvayl vs efeora. With scytheans and other heavies you can get a heavy in their heavy pretty easily. Eventually elylyth and nagas will be the answer

pVayl... interesting. Slingshotting a Scythean 16" up the board is pretty amazing. I guess I just need to get more comfortable in trading heavies. Thanks for the advice, it's greatly appreciated and you've given me some things to think on.

[Archnomad]

Hey Jake, quick question.

pVayl +6
Typhon 12
Ravagore 10
Scythean 9
Seraph 8
10 Legionnaires 6
Max Spawning Vessel 3
Strider Deathstalker 2
Strider Deathstalker 2
Forsaken 2
Forsaken 2
50

That's my 50pt pVayl list, do you think it could be viable to drop a Strider / Forsaken (and run 2 shepherds) and change the Seraph out for a Ravagore? I've been playing double ravagore with eVayl for a bit and absolutely loving it, so just wondering.

[Ereshkigal]

A question broader than legion only: do you think warlock are balanced against warcasters? I explain myself better:

A warlock, let's say eVayl with 8 Fury and two heavy beasts in her control range, can force each beast 4 times generating 8 fury for the next turn to leach and then use her 8 fury points for spells, heal, tranfer damage.
A warcaster at the start of the control phase, with 7 focus, can give 3 focus to two watjacks and than have only 1 remaining focus point for spells or to have boosted armor.

[boingboing]

hmm changed my mind.

Rhyas vs Deneghra (either one) PKreoss, EHaley, ECaine and list building at 35 points. Don't want to use raptors because of the reindeer.

Think Incubi would be worthwhile at 35 points?

Scythean and Scythean or
Scythean and Ravagore or
Scythean and Carnivean

or Scythean, Scythean, Farrow Slaughterhousers and 2 Deathstalkers with some random other stuff and just try and remove everything from play.
which pairing might have better success?

[Ereshkigal]

It was a question about the game, i'm not jealous as i am starting to play legion... so i've no trouble at all, i played 4 games in total (4 wins but my opponents weren't experts) against Khador and Cygnar and i was wondering what opinion Neutralyze has about this particular subject.

[Lachlan the Mad]

Okay, follow-up question;

What models/units/beasties does eVayl need to function?

[Neutralyze]

Hey Jake, quick question.

pVayl +6
Typhon 12
Ravagore 10
Scythean 9
Seraph 8
10 Legionnaires 6
Max Spawning Vessel 3
Strider Deathstalker 2
Strider Deathstalker 2
Forsaken 2
Forsaken 2
50

That's my 50pt pVayl list, do you think it could be viable to drop a Strider / Forsaken (and run 2 shepherds) and change the Seraph out for a Ravagore? I've been playing double ravagore with eVayl for a bit and absolutely loving it, so just wondering.

It is possible to do that. Just make sure to keep the shepherds safe and no to get to far ahead with the ravagores. That's an issue I have with Pvayl. Leash, SS and walk can have a huge impact on a game.

[Neutralyze]

A question broader than legion only: do you think warlock are balanced against warcasters? I explain myself better:

A warlock, let's say eVayl with 8 Fury and two heavy beasts in her control range, can force each beast 4 times generating 8 fury for the next turn to leach and then use her 8 fury points for spells, heal, tranfer damage.
A warcaster at the start of the control phase, with 7 focus, can give 3 focus to two watjacks and than have only 1 remaining focus point for spells or to have boosted armor.

Most warlocks have weaker spell list and stat lines to compensate for the fury mechanic.

[Neutralyze]

Okay, follow-up question;

What models/units/beasties does eVayl need to function?

Angels, ravagores, sheperds. This is the bare minimum. I love her tier list and thus take legionnaires full without UA and spawning vessel.

[Neutralyze]

It was a question about the game, i'm not jealous as i am starting to play legion... so i've no trouble at all, i played 4 games in total (4 wins but my opponents weren't experts) against Khador and Cygnar and i was wondering what opinion Neutralyze has about this particular subject.

What questions?

[Ereshkigal]

I was answering the guy who said "i'm jelous of hordes"

[PG_Saturated Phat]

I dont have heaps of options but how does this sound?
Rhyas
Proteus
Scythian
Soldier
Shredder
Full hex
Forsaken
Death stalker

I think the hearing and drag from proteus would be good with Rhys's I also have a carni ravagore bolt wars pear and war chief

What donyoubthink?

[Neutralyze]

Get a seraph and succubus in that list with proteus and Scythean

[Xnath]

A question broader than legion only: do you think warlock are balanced against warcasters? I explain myself better:

A warlock, let's say eVayl with 8 Fury and two heavy beasts in her control range, can force each beast 4 times generating 8 fury for the next turn to leach and then use her 8 fury points for spells, heal, tranfer damage.
A warcaster at the start of the control phase, with 7 focus, can give 3 focus to two watjacks and than have only 1 remaining focus point for spells or to have boosted armor.

One other thing to mention is warcasters always get their focus every turn. Take out the beasts, warlocks have to start wounding themselves to generate fury and have no transfer targets.

[etherya]

Neutralyze for you Naga Nightlurker can be a good include with which casters and why? (35-50 points level)

[Neutralyze]

Elylyth is the top warlock for the naga. Abby can find a use for it as well due to having no magical offensive spells. It can be use by any warlock that needs blessed based on your meta.

[Sir Bacon]

I got a question the naga animus can it work with Bethayne feat???

[PG_EricTehRed]

the naga animus can it work with Bethayne feat???

He can use the animus without being forced, but the target of the animus won't gain free boosts. Magical Attacks and attacks with are two different things.



Hey Neuty,
I tried out that 25 point eVayle list yesterday. It was my first game with her, and let me tell you...love at first sight! She's really fun. Stinger's animus on Vayle, who gunfighter-refuges out of melee and then makes a full advance, finally casting admonition on herself. Super slippery!

How do you end up winning most of your eVayle games?

[etherya]

when you put in BFS? I suppose in 50pts battles but which caster great benefits of them and why?

Thanks a lot!

Bump - to - view 'cause unread I suppose. Thanks!

uhm and a Little Upgrade:

What do you take against Trolls expecially with pDoomy Tiers?

Many Thanks!

[Neutralyze]

How do you end up winning most of your eVayle games?

with evayl and ravagores you force your opponent to come into threat ranges of the angels. from there you just dance around with refuge and pummel with ravagore shots. if youre going against a warcaster i would lay into them with the feat if they dont have a good camp and you can hit them with everything and kill them on average. against Hordes, i would likely use it to put two hits into a heavy beast and try to drop that instead.

if youre being really fiesty and are trying to go for a kill, to be safe you purify first, refuge yourself, hit target with oraculus, hit target with boosted icy grip then give them two obliterations, move away with refuge and then drop occultation on yourself. you might be at 0 fury but youll be far back and have stealth. i do it a lot and I am typically safe.

[Neutralyze]

Bump - to - view 'cause unread I suppose. Thanks!

uhm and a Little Upgrade:

What do you take against Trolls expecially with pDoomy Tiers?

Many Thanks!

i use BFS currently in my pThags list. honestly i didnt know why i took them at first in his list but then realized it was for ice cage over harm which can greatly help my heavies land more hits. harm is an after thought but helps everything in the army from striders to my scythean. otherwise they are still good with most warlocks but can be a pretty rough point sink. i would include them with

evayl - if i had room in my tier
pthags
bethayne
plylyth
elylyth - at 75 pts


against pdoomy tier or trolls in general, i typically grab pVayl as she has great threat ranges and buffs to power through them.

[Kinsman]

Hey Jake,

Thanks for this awesome thread!

QUESTION: What is your preferred Warlock/List against infantry heavy Mercs (Steelhead Halberdiers, Nyss Hunters, Gunbunnies, two heavies, assorted support, led by Gorten)? They keep working me over, almost always beating me on scenario.

Thank you!

[PG_dtesoro]

what's your current pvayl list at 50pts?

[Lachlan the Mad]

Hey Neuty,

Running in a 25-point Highlander tournament (basically; one list, one and only one infantry unit, one and only one solo, no repeated model/units, no character UA's). How does this sound for an eVayl list?

Vayl, Consul of Everblight (*6pts)
* Stinger (2pts)
* Angelius (9pts)
* Scythean (9pts)
Blighted Nyss Legionnaires (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
Incubus (5pts)

[Neutralyze]

Hey Jake,

Thanks for this awesome thread!

QUESTION: What is your preferred Warlock/List against infantry heavy Mercs (Steelhead Halberdiers, Nyss Hunters, Gunbunnies, two heavies, assorted support, led by Gorten)? They keep working me over, almost always beating me on scenario.

Thank you!

well first off against gorten you can do something to prevent being pushed by his feat. when your in position to contest you can have a beast lock another beast and this will prevent being pushed by his feat. against a lot of infantry i would either use bethayne or elylyth. any warlock that has Deathstalkers will work and Saeryns Blight bringer would also do just fine.

[Neutralyze]

what's your current pvayl list at 50pts?

Pvayl
typhon
ravagore
scythean
seraph
shredder
raptors full
forsaken x 2
spell martyr

[Neutralyze]

Hey Neuty,

Running in a 25-point Highlander tournament (basically; one list, one and only one infantry unit, one and only one solo, no repeated model/units, no character UA's). How does this sound for an eVayl list?

Vayl, Consul of Everblight (*6pts)
* Stinger (2pts)
* Angelius (9pts)
* Scythean (9pts)
Blighted Nyss Legionnaires (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
Incubus (5pts)

i would be partial to the following

evayl
ravagore
angel
scythean
shredder
sheperd

[Lachlan the Mad]

i would be partial to the following

evayl
ravagore
angel
scythean
shredder
sheperd

Sorry, doesn't work, I have to include exactly one infantry unit (not two, not three, and not zero). UA's are allowed but not character ones (no Bayal or Farilor ).

[Booger]

So with a combination of the plastic kit and the 2player battle box I will have an opportunity to run the list below. I don't think there is a definite goal of the list, I just plan on taking what is given to me on a turn-by-turn basis. whattadathink?

35 pts.

Rhyas -6
Carny 11
Carny 11
Carny 11
Shredder 2
Shredder 2
Shredder 2
Shredder 2

Like taking a Typhon and splitting it up over 33 points instead of 12

[Booger]

Double post

[Sir Bacon]

Question nephilim protector can it have a place in pvayl list cause of so much pop and drop or arc and drop and C/G shield guard got better and animus is good and vayl makes him hit better?

[Neutralyze]

The issue with pop and drop is the warcasters that do it. Pkreoss can purify away safe guard and knock both the Protector and Vayl down, psorchsa can freeze the protector then scourge down Vayl.

What I do see as useful for the protector is against a stormwall. Take one of his two defender shots from it an help save a heavy

[Legion Core]

Hey Neut what would you change in these list if your going no characters and have only 1 beast each? (35pt lists)
ist 1
Evayl
Angelius
Ravagore
Scaythean

Striders with UA
Spawning vessel (full)
Shepherd

List 2

Evayl
Angelius
Ravagore
Scaythean

Striders with UA
Strider Deathstalker
Spell Marytr
Shepherd

OH and also Reinforcements of 7pts .
Raptors min and spell Marytr =).
I have also have full units on legionnaires.

[Neutralyze]

I feel the vessel lacking without troops who can closely be utilized by it. Striders will be pretty far upfield.