I have played a game with a WoldWrath. Its not all bad, but its not ideal.

[Beckman]

For what it's worth, Privateer Press has what I believe to be an excellent track record of not creating models in a vaccuum. As primarily a Legion player, I can tell you that during the transition from MK I to MK II, there was a great deal of head scratching going on. Our Warbeasts had lost flight, our striders had lost rapid shot, we had random posters dropping into our forum giving us their condolence about how we'd gotten our wings (har, har) clipped. Never mind that Typhon lost a point of RAT, and reach, and the force-to-pitch effect turned into a critical effect. The list was much, much longer.

There was a lot of outcry. Needless to say, the doom and gloom hung heavily over the faction forums.

However.

The faction wasn't balanced in a vaccuum. Neither were the models. And when the Forces of Hordes: Legion of Everblight book hit the shelves, and we saw things in light of the full scope of releases for our faction, that doom and gloom largely evaporated. In fact, if you ever feel like a fairly hilarious read, go dig up old Legion threads during that time frame. I think there are few people today who would agree with the opinions expressed then.

The point I'm making is: You're only seeing part of the whole story. This next Hordes book is going to be pretty large. I expect that the Mountain King was not designed in a vaccuum. There will be a lot of releases. And I think a lot of you will probably find some new ways to really, really take advantage of the MtK.

Anyway. Feel free to get back to the doom and gloom. Just thought I'd drop in and try to share some insight from a similar experience. Good luck, TB.

-s&s

While I want to agree with you, because I was there - I played Legion during the playtest and stuck with it... I feel like attributing this to being "By Design" is a bit premature. I certainly wouldn't buy two Woldwraiths before knowing what other people got... But I agree that we could supporting stuff.

There HAVE been super-fail models by PP before... The Skorne Battleengine, for instance. The Skinner. If PP has suddenly revealed a master plan to make these models good... I missed it.

Nephalim Protector is pretty lackluster too. People still pretty much hate the Argus (although, I kindof think it's "ok").

But really. Same POW fists, Spell Ward,+1 MAT, AOE KD fists, more boxes, High POW gun with eleap / No-Enter AOEs and Construct so no frenzy? And a CRAZY GOOD animus in faction.

[sourclams]

Problem is, all of that can also be said to apply to the Rhinodon, who has been out for years, and is at-best a niche model that hardly ever sees play.

Even if some new amazing 'Dire Caller' model comes out that makes the MtK good, it will by definition make all our other Dires A-Mazing, unless it has some incredibly stupid design roadblock built in that makes it perform better with the MtK "just because".

What makes MtK amazing is if the meta suddenly and irrevocably shifts to bricks of shield wall units so that his schtick of plodding into melee and amucking all around is actually useful. ... don't really see that one developing, myself.

[Sardonic Artery]

Kindly take your jabs elsewhere and leave us to wallow in our own self pity.

Thank you.

Yeah, guess we'll just be bummed out that we're the faction that can trash colossals/gargantuans without having a decent one of our own (maybe that's the the balance, ha!).

[sourclams]

Circle can put Ghetorix at P&S 23 with free charges for 5 primary and 1 secondary. Wraithbane can also duplicate Rage on arc shielded targets.

Skorne actually out-damages Trollbloods because the Bronzeback has 8 attacks all-in and they can stack higher damage-centric buffs with Zaal and Xerxis.

Legion, now that they also have Wraithbane, can allow an incited Scythean to put 7 P&S 19 attacks (ignoring arc shield/defender's ward) into a single target, and they have Kiss which means it can 1-round a Stormwall.

[whats82]

Mountain king excels in fighting infantrymachine. (well, he's better at it than fighting undead and warjacks) Unfortunately infantrymachine is on its way out due to other colossal causing meta to shift away from infantry.

[Largi]

I figured out what you do with mountain king!
Mauler casts rage onto the mountain king. The king picks up Borka (rear arc, boost to hit). 2 Handed Throws Borka 9 inches, Borka then proceeds to Assassinate the opposing caster with 6 Fury.

[PG_thegreatblah]

Yeah, guess we'll just be bummed out that we're the faction that can trash colossals/gargantuans without having a decent one of our own (maybe that's the the balance, ha!).

Too true, Trashing colossals/gargantuans with my Mauler in one round is pretty fun. Really though, you have to understand why Troll players wanted more out of their 20point beast, especially when you start seeing all the good stuff coming out on pretty much every other factions dude.

Mountain King really is the best looking model of the bunch though, hands down.

[Loki77515]

I figured out what you do with mountain king!
Mauler casts rage onto the mountain king. The king picks up Borka (rear arc, boost to hit). 2 Handed Throws Borka 9 inches, Borka then proceeds to Assassinate the opposing caster with 6 Fury.

Remember that when model which cannot be knocked down activates during the same turn it was thrown it must forfeit its movement or action.

I was thinking of doing something like this with a pMadrak list.

Cast Sure Foot on Mulg (via a Runebearer), get a Mauler to throw him upfield (maybe with Rage), then get the Mountain King and throw Mulg up further. Then charge pMadrak forward, pop his feat and use Carnage and maybe Mulg can Crusher his way to the enemy warcaster/lock.

[PG_petegrrrr]

Yeah, guess we'll just be bummed out that we're the faction that can trash colossals/gargantuans without having a decent one of our own (maybe that's the the balance, ha!).

We are not THE faction that can trash colossals/gargantuans....every faction can do that.

We don't really do it better. Our traditional heavy wrecker besides Mulg is the earthborn, and he is actually pretty bad at taking down colossals, thanks to their high str but low pow. And even with rage on him, the only gargantuan a mauler can take out on it's own reliably is, ironically, the mountain king...and even then he has to roll a little high on every roll (or have a 4 point unit in range to grant him the +1 str that makes him barely kill it on average dice)

[Largi]

Yea I know that. I was more hoping the opposing caster was within 9inches of Borka but had screening infantry xD

[ScottEBJJ]

Mountain king excels in fighting infantrymachine. (well, he's better at it than fighting undead and warjacks) Unfortunately infantrymachine is on its way out due to other colossal causing meta to shift away from infantry.

Outside of Stormwall who has good infantry denial, no Colossal is bringing extra infantry hate for it's double almost everything else in the games price tag. All the Colossals, with the exception of Stormwall (only because of his denial), will die to infantry that can kill jacks. And Stormwall also bring Disruption to stifle jacks.

Calling the meta shifted is extremely premature given that only one Colossal has reached general release, and it's frankly just faulty logic anyway.

[Beckman]

Problem is, all of that can also be said to apply to the Rhinodon, who has been out for years, and is at-best a niche model that hardly ever sees play.

I use the Rhinodon frequently... He's got 3 attacks and thresher. He's only 7 points... and Beast Handlers mitigate his pillow fistedness somewhat... Slap a buff on him, like Abuse and he's good to go!

[HellecticMojo]

Not to mention that Rhinodon's tail is only one POW difference between the king and his sweeps.

[The Happy Anarchist]

But really. Same POW fists, Spell Ward,+1 MAT, AOE KD fists, more boxes, High POW gun with eleap / No-Enter AOEs and Construct so no frenzy? And a CRAZY GOOD animus in faction.

You forgot high range on the gun too - something that Circle has lacked until now. That animus would be pretty sweet for us too - pDoomy Runeshaper tier spam? Yes please.

[ringsnake]

I'm a Circle player, found this thread when looking for more info on the Woldwrath. I agree with all of you, the Circle players moaning and whining about Spell Ward deserve a good slap.

Something I've noticed about the Woldwrath, apart from it being very good, is that it helps our second tier warlocks like Cassius and Morvahan a lot more than it helps our first tier warlocks like eKrueger, eKaya, and Kromac.

Obviously, if you're playing Doomshaper then Mulg's going to be way better. Oh how I HATE playing against Doomshaper and Mulg + Earthborn.

However, is there better synergy with your less popular warlocks?

[PG_Celedor]

However, is there better synergy with your less popular warlocks?

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I was going to say both the King and Rok just before him are potentially potent additions for Gunny. Both have sprays that become quite potent under Guided Fire and both have animi that increase the melee capabilities of other beasts, something Gunny can't do and the beasts he might typically take (that take advantage of Guided Fire) really need.

[ringsnake]

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I'll take the fact that you're bashing your forehead against your keyboard as a "no" to that question then.

[PG_Celedor]

I'll take the fact that you're bashing your forehead against your keyboard as a "no" to that question then.

LOL, no, see my edit!

[Da-Rock]

so what happens if a 2 or 3 point solo is there that does something great for the MK? My assumption is the first poster will complain about the cost and blow his own head off in ragequit fashion!

I'll wait for the book and then decide.......