Got a few years under my belt in this game...

[Poignantswine]

...and I can't even give a good excuse as to why I never picked up the Stormsmiths before. It might have something to do with the fact that I'm wayyy behind on playing with our faction's lightning shenanigans.

Stormwall aside, these guys are darn useful. My poor dice rolls actually end up making them work!

Stormsmiths, I dub thee "Captain Triangles and the Isosceles Squad!"

[Stephan Garmark]

They werent very popular before stormwall for some reason, theyre incredible in any Cygnar army. 1 point for disruption, removing solos or just taking out the random high def dude is nuts. In my opinion one of the strongest abilities in the game is being able to deal indirect non attack damage, stormsmiths does this to perfection, and thus should be fielded in every single Cygnar list.

[kgpotter7]

I love them, even when they aren't Triangulating, or stuff like that they can be useful.

Example: yesterday I was playing a game with Nemo3, his army was almost completely stealth(the entire front line of his army anyways, Legion's Striders and Hex Hunters), so on second turn, I run a Stormsmith up in front of his guys. Ran a Lancer behind him. Shocked the Stormsmith twice with Chain Lightning arced through the Lancer, first roll for leaps was a 3, second a six. first attack kills Bayal, and both models of the Striders UA(!!!!!!! ), and the second fries 6 dudes. Then the Storm Strider also Shot the Stormsmith for a few more leaps, killing more hex Hunters and Striders. I was happy, to say the least. He was devastated.

[Gr33nJ3llo]

They werent very popular before stormwall for some reason, theyre incredible in any Cygnar army.

Huh? I've heard nothing but good stuff, the few times they came up. It's more that they weren't discussed, rather than being bad, or disliked.

[Bloodsplatter artist]

I always try to take at least 1 or 2 in my pstryker lists. Knockdown plus disruption makes all my khador friends rage

[jking_3rd]

I loved running a Firefly in Kraye's battlegroup under Full Tilt, 24" run behind a line of squishy infantry. Then 3 solo activations later = lots of dead infantry, & if they aren't hordes, zapped arc nodes or cortexes.

[Stephan Garmark]

Huh? I've heard nothing but good stuff, the few times they came up. It's more that they weren't discussed, rather than being bad, or disliked.

Fair enough. I didnt see then pop up in a lot of lists on the list discussions, but its true that they havent been called bad or anything. Ive had some trouble fitting them into lists at times, stormwall really solved that problem I believe

[hmk17]

They were good, but kinda clunky in Mk1. Mk2 nerfed the triangulation stuff, but overall they got better. I think its just that they were over looked until the Firefly and Nemo2's tier. Stormwall and Nemo 3 just brought more spotlight.

I mean when suggesting to new players solid units for starting Cygnar, I don't mention these guys because more stuff is prevalent for basic list building.

[silks]

I love them, my main caster is Nemo2 and he makes them amazing.
People normally say something like "Oh they're the triangulating guys aren't they" and then seem surprised when they're zapping Eiryss who's hiding behind a wall or disrupting all their jacks. So much utility for one point!

[bouncymischa]

Ahhh, the good ol' days of the Stormsmith House, back when you didn't need LOS to call down lightning on something. My stormsmiths got quite fond of hiding in terrain pieces that blocked LOS and being a royal pain to everything.

Now they need LOS, but the Firefly and Stormwall might make Triangulations almost too easy now! :P

[JoeGuardsman]

I've been fairly new to Cygnar and I went to get they pretty quickly. Basically I have two types of lists. B13 lists for black penny and Stormcaller lists. If you want to play any type of effective ranged game you have to shut down the run to engage threats. Storm callers behind the lines will do this better than the B13.

[Gr33nJ3llo]

I mean when suggesting to new players solid units for starting Cygnar, I don't mention these guys because more stuff is prevalent for basic list building.

I think they're a wonderful suggestion to new players. I never build lists around them, but for a 1 point filler, they have no equal. Our options at that level are Rheinhold (who's great, but caster dependent), the Stormsmith, or weapon attachments for Stormblades, Trenchers, or Trencher Commandos. Of those options, the storm smith is always useful, regardless of the list.

[Halfhoot]

They are amazing. My pCaine lists typically start with Caine, Squire, Stormsmiths, okay what else... I love those buggers. So useful. Amazing against warjacks and super nice for spot removal of annoying infantry models. Just the sheer fact that they ignore just about everything and anything outside of high armor and lightning immunity is amazing.

I do think the Stormwall's pod will give them a boost in usage for the uninitiated for sure... but even just one as a filler is going to be useful 90% of the time.

[Ysthrall]

I like em. I reccomend them to anyone who doesn't move fast enough. The addition of Conductor as a rule off-sets their LOS requirement.

The models are pretty good, they're dirty cheap in points and £.

More Mad Lightning Scientists!

[Poignantswine]

I'm having trouble with my search-fu here. As far as the LOS requirement goes, is it required from the Stormsmiths to each other, their targets or both?

I'm probably answering my own question, but considering the fact that they have to target I'll assume that LOS has to be drawn to the targets at least.

[hmk17]

I think they're a wonderful suggestion to new players. I never build lists around them, but for a 1 point filler, they have no equal. Our options at that level are Rheinhold (who's great, but caster dependent), the Stormsmith, or weapon attachments for Stormblades, Trenchers, or Trencher Commandos. Of those options, the storm smith is always useful, regardless of the list.

I see your point, but most of the new players we are getting are kids who want at least a 25 point playable army fast. They're holding a starter box and rule book and ask the question "What else do I need to play?" 1 point gap fillers enter into the equation a little later, imo

[PG_Agamemnon]

Smiths do not have to have LOS to each other for surges or triangulations. They only need be within the 20" requirement. They do however have to have LOS to their target. This has caused me at times to have a SS turn his back on some enemy models. After a few triangulations however I learned to love the bomb.

[Gr33nJ3llo]

I see your point, but most of the new players we are getting are kids who want at least a 25 point playable army fast. They're holding a starter box and rule book and ask the question "What else do I need to play?" 1 point gap fillers enter into the equation a little later, imo

They're $18 for 3, putting them at $6 a model, less than Stormblades, PKs or Stormguard, all of which are a point a model or less. They're a little more than the ATGM, or the Sword Knights. They're about comparable to the B13, and having 3 SS is pretty good too.

[tonylipira]

I typically use a Stormsmith as a 1 point filler model, which honestly doesn't do it justice. It's the most underrated model in Cygnar in my opinion. A Stormsmith's job is to threaten solos or UAs; disrupting 'jacks is just a nice bonus. It's always been worth the single point even when it just distracts my opponent for a turn.

[Sardonic Artery]

Indeed. Those electro doofuses annoy my opponents so much. Who else makes a magic roll like them? (Admittedly, I had difficulty with other non-warcaster magic users as stormsmiths were my intro to that part of the game.)

I'm glad they don't have boxes either. Their armor would still be crap enough to die to blast damage, but they might cost 3 points for 2 or something.

[Calibre]

Indeed. Those electro doofuses annoy my opponents so much. Who else makes a magic roll like them? (Admittedly, I had difficulty with other non-warcaster magic users as stormsmiths were my intro to that part of the game.)

I'm glad they don't have boxes either. Their armor would still be crap enough to die to blast damage, but they might cost 3 points for 2 or something.

You wish they made *magic rolls*, hehehe....if only their attacks counted as magical, I could have found so many more uses for them, "Is that a ethereal pistol wraith over there....".

[Gr33nJ3llo]

You wish they made *magic rolls*, hehehe....if only their attacks counted as magical, I could have found so many more uses for them, "Is that a ethereal pistol wraith over there....".

That one cuts both ways, what about all the solos and models that are spell warded?

[RedWynd]

I typically make room for these guys in my lists. They can threaten light jacks with Disruption, shutting down arc nodes or annoying abilities requiring focus, or they can target the 'jacks squishy support solo/unit. I love running two of them directly at Eiryss whenever she shows up on the field. She can't kill them fast enough and cannot hide under her ridiculous DEF from them. Two points for two turns of peace of mind, if not killing her? Yes please.

The Stormwall turned the SS from being the 'isnt that the lightning zappey guy' to 'oh snap, he's got three mutha-bleepin stormsmiths'. Taken with Nemo2, they hurt. A lot. And often.

[TKaz84]

I really want to experiment with using the Stormwall in a Tier 1 Nemo 2 list with two other heavy warjacks so I can run 5 Stormsmiths

[TsavongLah]

I really want to experiment with using the Stormwall in a Tier 1 Nemo 2 list with two other heavy warjacks so I can run 5 Stormsmiths

....

eNemo +6
-Stormwall 19
-Stormclad 10
-Ironclad 7
Stormsmiths x5

[Poignantswine]

Yeah! Having played a few games with some form of eNemo/Stormsmiths/Stormcallers, I can say that the combo seems to work well. I also learned that it might be necessary to buy some sort of laser to determine my LOS and my triangulations.

This addition to my army has bumped my in-game fun up a few notches!

[RedWynd]

I always imagine a Stormsmith cackling 'SCIENCE!' after every passed skill check.

[WarlockFiretopMountain]

If you haven't heard it, check out James Blunt's 'My Triangle' song from Sesame Street.

[PG_Tamwulf]

Are you guys playing with the same Stormsmith's I've been playing with? The ones that require LOS to a target before you can make a Stormcall? Since they changed that little rule, I haven't been able to pop more than 1-2 infantry with any of the lines you can draw between model X, Y and Z.

They are useful/nice against Warjacks, and you should never be playing 1-2 points down in Cygnar, as these guys only cost 1 point.

You want insane fun? Roll six of these guys with eNemo's "The Weathermen", a Stormwall, Storm Strider, and a Firefly or two.

[eKraye]

Are you guys playing with the same Stormsmith's I've been playing with? The ones that require LOS to a target before you can make a Stormcall? Since they changed that little rule, I haven't been able to pop more than 1-2 infantry with any of the lines you can draw between model X, Y and Z.

They are useful/nice against Warjacks, and you should never be playing 1-2 points down in Cygnar, as these guys only cost 1 point.

You want insane fun? Roll six of these guys with eNemo's "The Weathermen", a Stormwall, Storm Strider, and a Firefly or two.

I've been beasting with them since I started playing sr2012 capping flags with them is so money.

[WarlockFiretopMountain]

I've been beasting with them since I started playing sr2012 capping flags with them is so money.

I only understood one word in three of this. ;D