Terminius Tier list ?

[Rhin0]

Just wondering if people rate Termi's tier list ?

Seems... OK.

I like the Revanent models, bought 2 whole units when i was buying my first lot of Cryx, although.... I've never really ran them in a list :P

Having them at 5/8 makes me want to run them a little more though.

Also, Do the Cannon crew drop to 2 pts ?

If so, I think that could be the way he can deal with high def units / models.

So... before I dive in, and buy termi and some cannons... Is it worth playing ? Is it competitive ?

[Lamoron]

It's horrible... amongst the worst tier lists actually. The lists works because Terminus can win games himself, but it's Skornegy all the way. If you want pirates and cannons then pSkarre Ships in the night is a lot better.

[lordbubonicus]

Also, Do the Cannon crew drop to 2 pts ?

No, they don't. The tier benefit specifically states "Reduce the point cost of each Revenent Crew of the Atramentous unit by 1", so it only applies to the Revenant Crew. If it said 'Revenant units' (as the tier 2 benefit does) then it would apply to the cannon, as well as Blackbane's.

I've got enough models to make a tier 4 list for him, but don't have the cannons yet. I'm interested in trying it out for fun, but I'm not expecting much from it.

[Sanctjud]

Theme lists are for fun.
But, compared to other theme lists, Terminus' is in the back of the bus.

More importantly, you lose out on Corbeau and WSC...almost auto-includes with him.

[blakeh1]

I don't think it's that bad. The only thing I really miss in his tier list is the Withershadow Combine. Eveything else he has available is fine for a Terminus delivery system. I tend to stick with Wrathe, Revenant Crew and a min unit of blackbanes and a Leviathan. I don't bother with Tier 4 though

As far as being competitive, it has some bad matchups (like Prime Haley and Temporal Barrier), but no more so than a normal Terminus list would have anyway. Sure you can have some better options for him outside his tier list, but then again, his army is just there to basically run as a blocker for him to get him into charge range of an enemy caster

[Sinsation]

It's horrible... amongst the worst tier lists actually. The lists works because Terminus can win games himself, but it's Skornegy all the way. If you want pirates and cannons then pSkarre Ships in the night is a lot better.

Curious, why is it skornegy? Hardly seems that way.

[Drzombieface]

Theme lists are for fun.
But, compared to other theme lists, Terminus' is in the back of the bus.

Don't you mean it fell off the back of the bus?



The problem with Cryx theme lists is they feel like we're being compensated for running tier lists instead of benefiting.

[Cambeul]

Curious, why is it skornegy? Hardly seems that way.

Skornegy I think is basically a group of models that do not really work together, or give eachother any benefit.

[Sanctjud]

Rev Crew want a debuff caster.
Terminus doesn't debuff directly.

You want options that will maximize his feat, aka, kill things, and Rev crew are not really efficient with it, since you need gang to be competent, which means a 2:1 ratio most of the time.

Sure the Rev Crew get tough, but so can McThralls, and you get a crap ton more and regenerate alot more reliably.

[Bohrdog]

I have run Termy tier 3 in our last tier tournament and did well. I think he is a ton of fun to play.

[blakeh1]

Rev Crew want a debuff caster.
Terminus doesn't debuff directly.

You want options that will maximize his feat, aka, kill things, and Rev crew are not really efficient with it, since you need gang to be competent, which means a 2:1 ratio most of the time.

Sure the Rev Crew get tough, but so can McThralls, and you get a crap ton more and regenerate alot more reliably.

I don't find the mechanithrall regeneration ability all that more reliable unless you're spamming them and taking more than 1 unit of mechanithralls and more than 1 necro surgeon. In a 1 mechanithrall 1 necrosurgeon list vs a 1 max Revenant Crew list, I think the Revenant Crew can be just as durable.
Revenant Crew do have 1 extra point of DEF, which isn't much, but can make a difference for those of the RAT 5 and 6 range.
Personally in non-tier lists I like a mix of both Revenant Crew and Mechanithralls.

Also the Revenant Crew can be pretty effective with 2 attacks and gang and you also get Veteran Leader from Rengrave. Just run him up first. You also can have things like Gerlak do some mulching.

I typically have a Skarlock throw Ravager on Terminus, pop feat then charge, he cuts down everything within 2 inches usually without needing any FOC, then run another unit of Revenant crew or some other pawns back around him have, have Wrathe throw up Beyond Death debuff and he becomes pretty hard to retaliate against.

Another option, if your running a Reaper, have Skarlock cast Ravager on the Reaper, than let it do it's pseudo thresher, then Terminus can cast it on himself and follow suit.

You generally ony need to collect 5 or so souls, plus camp around 3 FOC to put Terminus into the hard to kill range for anything other than heavy jacks/beasts that can benefit from ARM buffs/debuffs. Get bodies around him that soak up resources spent trying to kill Terminus and to help keep those jacks from getting into melee range

The biggest drawback with the Terminus tier list swarm is you don't have any pathfinders which can slow you down compared to taking something like Bane Knights as his infantry


I think the most Skornergy stuff with Terminus' Tier lists is the amount of stuff that competes for souls. Soulhunters, Rengrave (Death Toll), Blackbane's (Reanimation), Deathjack, Harrower.

[Sheer_Falacy]

Skornegy I think is basically a group of models that do not really work together, or give eachother any benefit.

It's more when they actively hinder each other. Phexeris has skornergy with himself because he does stuff at destroyed but also RFPs. Kraken has skornergy with some of our casters because it RFPs. Just being bad isnt skornergy, nor is absence of synergy. It's when the whole is less than the sum of its parts.