New player thinking about khador

[jkendle88]

I am a relatively new player, started menoth and didn't enjoy it too much, so I sold those models and almost got all my money back. I have been looking at khador, and I am really enjoying the fluff, and almost the entire model range. Now I just read through the thread on here about new players, and misconceptions about khador being the jack faction.

I am a little confused, I thought that P Butcher (My favorite caster model in the game by far, and coolest fluff!) and P Vlad (my second favorite caster in the game) where alright running jacks with little focus. So with that in mind, this is what I was thinking for my first purchases starting out, I would just like to know if they would be decent, or If I need to rethink it.

Prime Butcher and Prime Vlad
1 Kodiak
1 Marauder
1 Berserker

Doom Reaver Unit
6 Man Iron Fang Pikeman and UA
Widowmaker Unit
Yuri The Axe and 1 Manhunter (interchangable in the 35 pt. list since vlad has 1 less wj point)


How does this look for someone starting out, or is this too many jacks? The wrong infantry?

[PG_battlemechanik]

Pbutcher and pvlad are solid casters. Pvlad is better if you want to run 3 jacks imho.

The two jacks you are going to get the most long term use out of are spriggan and behemoth. Beyond that, all of the character jacks will see use to varying degrees (probably beast, drago, ivan, torch in order of priority). The jacks you listed fill specific niches, they're not universally useful.

Nothing wrong with doom reavers for what they are, but you'll probably have trouble keeping them from getting shot in the face before they reach combat.

IFP are solid as long as you don't mind dealing with the modeling issues (bendy pikes, hard to transport). They just got repackaged in a full unit box, so you should probably get that if you're going to get them.

Widowmakers are good but they aren't really a substitute for a full-size shooting unit like wgi or nyss.

Yuri + manhunter is kind of niche.

[jkendle88]

Alright well my main opponents would be cryx and cygnar so what would be some good choices for 25 and 35 pts. then i guess? I am looking for a balanced list so maybe im way off or something, im still pretty new to this game.

[Steamwitch]

For your own saftey, proxy! Proxy like mad! For real tho if you aret playing a jerk, im sure they will understand. But I will try to help.

1. what do you want to do? (ignore fluff till you figure this out)
2. What is the second thing you wanna do?
3.do you like jacks or infantry more?
4. light infantry or heavyer?
5.light jacks or heavy or both?
6.melee, shooting, or magic?
After you fill this out we will better help you. 1st tho we arent the most durable faction with effort. Meaning we get out classed in the ARM area easy but we dont spend a reacource to do so. We are slow in stats not abilitys. There are 40+ ways to speed us up. We do hit the hardest stock w/o buffs with them we are bananas. We have the best infantry in the game. WE ARE NOT A JACK FACTION I run 4 at most and only with a specific list and caster (pVlad and teirs for berserkers) we arent a magic faction we need mercs to help with that. Our jacks are expensive in points at 6,7,8,9,10,11,&13points. And we have one ligh

[Steamwitch]

look at the summer sale bundle its annawsome deal! I have all that already but I would have loved that deal long time!

[jkendle88]

I don't think they are still offering the summer bundles, and im mainly looking for a melee faction, and i really like the look of the khador jacks, In my experience so far light jacks are not really that good for much unless they are arc nodes, I also like most of the khador models and infantry.

[Steamwitch]

lights fill support roles besides srcing spells. Like cygnars lights are good at clearing infantry specifically, while menoths are good defenders, and cryx arcs and shoots. Khador has to ball that all up into one. Thats why they are pricey. And we have no arc nodes and casters who would love to have them. What about my other questions?

[mostholycerebus]

Kep in mind we are an infantry faction, not a jack faction really. So, expect to field 1 jack per caster, in general. With Wyshnailer and Koldun lord you can try for 2 jacks.

[PG_Chosenbythesun]

I regularly field 2 to 3 jacks, no problem.

[Aggroculture]

I to like to feild 3 or more jacks. look at the plastic kit, u get 4 or 5 for the price of one if you magnetize them, and if you like vlad take a look at drago.
try not to fall into the spriggan behemoth trap there multi use jacks but against cygnars control the just paper weights. and last thing i sware, the koldun lords power booter is great for kodiaks and zerters, and watching the latter explode in front of a warcaster is lol

[Ganso]

There's a reason why there are "caveat emptor" posts around the Khador forum regarding wanting to run jack Heavy.

They're not saying you shouldn't do it, or shouldn't try it if you find it entertaining, but that you should know there are many hurdles Khador has to jump over in order to make a jack list work (Menoth for example is mostly plug and play when it comes to running jacks).

The warnings are there so that people have expectations grounded on reality so that people aren't let down when they realize that Menoth does jacks much much better and that on the power scale Khador is stacked on the side of infantry.

That said, since Butcher_1 gives Free Charges and Boosted Attacks with Full Throttle (I'm guessing this is why you want to run him), try to take jacks that have a high number of attacks without focus, reason is Butcher won't have focus to hand around between upkeeps and Full Throttle, so you want your jacks to swing as much as they can before spending focus, for example Beast (Thresher), Drago (Blood Bath), Kodiak (Grab and Smash). Also, since Full Throttle doesn't boost damage, and again, you won't have focus to hand around to your battle group, take jacks with solid high powered attacks, Beast is my favorite here because of Reach, Thresher and POW 19.

[mostholycerebus]

Yeah, the trick with butcher is getting 2+ multi-attack jacks into combat on the same turn. If you can do that and you feat, they should make a serious dent, the rest of your support should make a serious dent, and your enemys forces will be greatly depleted. Then the next 2 turns you continue to grind and fend of assassinations while Butcher applies the finishing ax to any further resistance. Last turn you all your opponnt should have left is his caster. Hes VERY slow, but pretty good at grinding and is pretty much a medium jack himself.

[Steamwitch]

i agree with all sentements here exept the beast comment. If he is looking to go jack heavy/multi attacks beasts thresher is perfect for multipule modles only and reaching out more likely means that fist is unused imho jacks like the zerker, kodiack, maruader, juggernaught. Anythint else defeats the purpose of jack heavy as 11points is almot 2 berserkers. I like reach as much as the next player but butcher loses out when the fist is not used. And beast is one hungry jack. Kodiacks imo are his best bet pathfinder and full range of power attacks and cloud cover to advance an inherently slow caster and free runs? Yes please!

[Kuarnix]

I wouldn't recommend the Berserker until after you've been playing Khador for a while. It's a bit of a love it or hate it model, and hard to get much out of with most warcasters. Playing against Cygnar and Cryx, you will probably want some kind of ranged attack option (with Butcher in particular) on one warjack. Both factions can screw up melee heavies or all melee lists.

[Deo85]

Some things I fear seeing on the other side of the table as a Cryx player is the following:
Behemoth / Morter crew / Kazay assassins / WG in Death start formation / Any caster that can hand out Iorn Flesh / Beast 09

[elcrasho]

don't forget the wardog 20 def on vlad in melee is hard to crack

[PG_ColonelKoIron]

Thats very close to the list I started out with. I ran Juggernaut, Destroyer and Marauder as the three jacks and I dont have IFP.

I haven't run pVlad but pButcher can run you list fine. You'll want to be Full Throttling your jacks up the field to hammer into the enemy lines.

I'd say if you are just starting out give that list a run for a bunch of games and see how it goes. After some games you'll get a better handle on how things work and what you may be missing.

Once you start expanding your casters I would look at the Koldun Lord though, he can marshal one of the three jacks and take the pressure off your caster (eg pSorscha)