New ruling that affects eGoreshade

[Sheer_Falacy]

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...amage-and-heal

I'd always thought that the spell was finished and then they took the damage, so Druids could give their lives to drag things. This makes it much better.

(psychic vampire is just an upkeep form of arcane consumption, from why I can tell)

[Sanctjud]

Wow...that is a nice leg up for Snoreshade 2.0.

[PG_carnage4u]

interesting new ruling

[Crate123]

No unfortunately it doesnt work like that, arcane consumption does the damage AFTER the spell is cast but psychic vampire does the damage when the spell is being cast.

This thread highlights the difference: http://privateerpressforums.com/show...onsidered+cast

[blakeh1]

(psychic vampire is just an upkeep form of arcane consumption, from why I can tell)

The distinction being Psychic Vampire states "When an enemy model casts a spell or uses an animus while in this model's control area, the enemy model suffers 1 damage point and this model heals 1 damage point."

While Arcance Consumption states "When an enemy model casts a spell or uses an animus while in this model's control area, after the spell is cast the enemy model suffers 1 damage point and this model heals 1 damage point."

So due to Valander's timing ruling they still get off the spell with Arcane Consumption, but not with Psychic Vampire.

As to the original intent, I don't know know if whoever wrote the rule really intended that difference to be there, or this is just a case of a loophole being found due to an unintentional difference in wording

[Sheer_Falacy]

Ah, yeah, I didn't notice the 1 word difference. That's odd.

[Sanctjud]

Boo, have to put the leg back down :-(

I guess 7 Seconds of false winning is better than none :-/

[ZombieWar]

7 seconds of winning with Egoreshade is still a new record even if it was false winning.

[Grimz]

The model casting the spell gets it off yes but dies or takes a damage point after the attack roll has been thrown, negating any effects that happen after the attack has been resolved if the model dies.

Unless I have completely missed the ball on something here.

[Sanctjud]

The model casting the spell gets it off yes but dies or takes a damage point after the attack roll has been thrown, negating any effects that happen after the attack has been resolved if the model dies.

Unless I have completely missed the ball on something here.

Crate123's post answers your "unless I have completely missed the ball on something here."
The issue is:

Psychic Vampire: "When an enemy model casts a spell..."
vs
Arcane Consumption: "...AFTER the spell is cast..."

Since there is a 'timing' word in Arcane Consumption, it doesn't work like Psychic Vampire.

[Grimz]

I think I'm still missing something.....so when does Arcane consumption come into play?

After the tohit roll or after the damage roll?

Because as I have understood it the spell has been cast when the tohit roll has been thrown.

Just to clarify if I play against my friend and his circle orboros, when will the druid die if he tries to force bolt eShade?

[juckto]

After the spell. Including resolving any spell effects. After all, many spells don't have to hit and/or damage rolls.

[max2323]

This was posted as a follow up:

"Correction to the above after further review.

Psychic Vampire will trigger once the COST of the spell has been paid (or, for those that don't pay COST, after target is declared). If the casting model only has one health left, it will be be disabled->boxed->destroyed, and if it is destroyed the spell does not take effect (e.g., there is no attack roll since the casting model is gone)."

[Grimz]

And my search-Fu found a thread where the unknown mercenary stated that a model is considered to have cast a spell once the cost has been payed or target selected, and he was talking about Arcane consumption not psychich vampire. Accordign to that ruling the druid would die once he has chosen a target and is within goreshades control area.

I am totaly confused.

[Grimz]

And now it is all chrystal clear

http://privateerpressforums.com/show...sumtion-timing

Casting a spell is the whole sequence, from declaring the spell to doing the damage and after effects of the spell. Then Arcane Consumption takes effect. We've been playing it wrong for years Damnit, now Goreshade's gona have to take shooty jacks to take out the druids before they can start pushing him around

[Canuberon]

[rant]
It REALLY would have been to simple for all of us to just make it the same ability with the same timing right?
'Cause we wouldn't want eGoreshade to go way over the top and be immune to Druids...
[/rant]

[Aggy]

I am all for immunity. Druids are going down town baby!

[PG_The_Veneficus]

7 seconds of winning with Egoreshade is still a new record even if it was false winning.

ive won events with e.goreshade. bane creation is horrible, my reccord is +42 banes to my army. if your worried about the druids, turn them for some sweet sweet justice.

[Sanctjud]

ive won events with e.goreshade. bane creation is horrible, my reccord is +42 banes to my army. if your worried about the druids, turn them for some sweet sweet justice.

Most of the Shade hate is kinda like the "Moar Banez" comments, it is in good jest... of course all our casters are quite functional, if at least in a particular play style.