Kraken w/ Termy Q

[Darxyd]

Q: Does Ravanger work on the Kraken?

[Scottl1]

Yes the kraken would be a jack in his battlegroup.

[Darxyd]

Sweet--so I can turn him into a soul & meat combine-tractor during feat turn and harvest a unit or 2. I like it.

[Sheer_Falacy]

Kraken removes living models it boxes from play if it has fewer than 3 corpse tokens on it. So unless you're full up or killing undead/constructs, ravager won't work, and living guys won't give souls.

So it can work if you expect to kill at least 4 with just focus, or do it over more than one turn.

[Darxyd]

Bummer. Appreciate the info though. It does set me back on my idea of painting a "John Deer" logo on the Kraken.

[Dragon2439]

Like he said, once he has three corpses he no longer removes them and allows ravager to proc.

[usbprime]

But if you load him up on 1 turn, and the following turn, activate term, cast ravager, and feat.......you could fill him up really good......i'm just going to stick with my erebus combo though.....

[Sanctjud]

How do you load up the Kraken turn 1? I thought the corpses it gets are enemy only, unlike the Necrosurgeon.
Anyone have a source available?

[Sheer_Falacy]

How do you load up the Kraken turn 1? I thought the corpses it gets are enemy only, unlike the Necrosurgeon.
Anyone have a source available?

He said one turn, not turn one. They are different.

But yeah, I'm pretty sure you can't fill it from friendlies.

[Deo85]

If you could I am sure people would be parring it up with Mcthralls and Reverant crew in a heart beat. A ravangered buffed Kraken would be amazing with that 4" reach

[usbprime]

It is only living enemy models that can provide corpses......and yes, i didn't mean turn 1 load up the kraken. The problems with ravager on the kraken, that i can see, is if your opponent spreads out a little, they can make your ravager attacks useless, because if the attack triggers with a left/right side attack, the berserk attack should have to follow that.

[zorrax]

It is only living enemy models that can provide corpses......and yes, i didn't mean turn 1 load up the kraken. The problems with ravager on the kraken, that i can see, is if your opponent spreads out a little, they can make your ravager attacks useless, because if the attack triggers with a left/right side attack, the berserk attack should have to follow that.

Ravager does not specify that you have to use the same weapon, just that you have to make another attack if possible.

[Deo85]

It is only living enemy models that can provide corpses......and yes, i didn't mean turn 1 load up the kraken. The problems with ravager on the kraken, that i can see, is if your opponent spreads out a little, they can make your ravager attacks useless, because if the attack triggers with a left/right side attack, the berserk attack should have to follow that.

Interesting why do you think this? When you Ravager with a normal jack its not like your stuck using the same weapon system that made the kill with it.

[usbprime]

Purely because of the 1/4 arcs that huge bases utilize. When you buy attacks you need to specify which way you swing. I could be wrong, but that's the way i see it......same with Black spot attacks, whenever i use the kraken, with eSkarre, i take my black spot attacks out the same direction that the attack was generated from. I could be wrong, and unless someone knows of an infernal ruling that differ's, i'll keep playing that way.

[TravR]

Purely because of the 1/4 arcs that huge bases utilize. When you buy attacks you need to specify which way you swing. I could be wrong, but that's the way i see it......same with Black spot attacks, whenever i use the kraken, with eSkarre, i take my black spot attacks out the same direction that the attack was generated from. I could be wrong, and unless someone knows of an infernal ruling that differ's, i'll keep playing that way.

I can see the argument on the arms, not sure if it is correct or not, but why does the base arcs matter for the guns. Both of the guns on it have either S or - as position so they can fire in either field of fire.

[DarkLegacy]

Nothing prevents a Berserk/Ravager attack from choosing a different weapon to use. You'd have to make the attack in that weapon's arc, but you can choose any weapon.

[Sheer_Falacy]

You need to specify which arc for each melee attack, but thats for each melee attack, not for your whole activation. You can kill something with the left arm and ravager with the right, and may indeed be forced to if there's nothing left in the left arc.

And yeah, the guns don't care about arcs at all. You don't need an infernal for this, it's just the rules.

[usbprime]

I can see the argument on the arms, not sure if it is correct or not, but why does the base arcs matter for the guns. Both of the guns on it have either S or - as position so they can fire in either field of fire.

I never said anything about shooting the guns.......because yes, they both have 180 degree view. Honestly i could probably attack all around with my weapons, but from a "realistic" point of view the way i see the kraken attacking under berserk is almost a thrashing his arms would do.....kill a model and whip around in a frenzy killing everything around that first model killed. And my mind see's black spot similiar, but more like the model effected are cursed and as the kraken hits one, it kind of dissapates into nothingness so he can kill the model behind. Like i said before, i could be completely wrong, but its the screwed up way my mind works, so i'm just going to roll with it.

[Gamingdevil]

Like i said before, i could be completely wrong, but its the screwed up way my mind works, so i'm just going to roll with it.

I (and apparently some other people here) do actually think you are completely wrong. I don't see any restriction in the rules that would limit Berserk or Black Spot to the same arc your original weapon was in. The only limitation is that you can't trigger ranged attacks from melee and vice versa, but that was explicitly infernal'ed.

But no one is stopping you from following your screwed up mind, if that's how you roll