I got Succubus!!!

[Friend_of_ax]

My shopper at Comic Con picked up a Succubus for me! WOOT! Just got a pic emailed to me of it. Once I get it I'll let you know how the thing goes together.:-)

[Northern Ronin]

As do I, since they're open retail. Model looks really good in person as well, lots of parts though, four arms, 2 wings, tail and body.

[Lanz]

... lots of parts though, four arms, 2 wings, tail and body.

Ew... Probably tiny little joints too...

[Xnath]

Put one together tonight.
Not as bad as I was expecting, but I have a very small drill bit and cut up some staples to use as pins.
Now it is primed and drying right now.

[Overread]

One day PP will learn that we really really hate tiny arm parts to glue on... I mean fine for plastic but in metal -- urgh!! Nightmare..


Still we want to see it - stop teasing us and show us the succubus!

[Ordrek]

I got one too.

It has a nice rack.

[Seferon]

Got mine earlier today. Honestly, because of how the arms work, it really wasn't bad to glue the arms on. I had more trouble with the wings and tail ((especially the tail.....)) then the arms. I suggest gluing the upper arms on first. They take to the model better and once they are dry, then the lower arms have a better point to glue to. Because you have the little whole for the arm to fit into and then you have the bottom part of the top arm for the glue to grab onto. I honestly had to maybe hold the lower arms in place for about 10 seconds before they could support their on weight and finish drying. Over all, once the tail actually got glued in place, it took all of 10 to 15 minutes to glue the arms, and the wings on.

The model also isn't as bad as the pictures show it. Mine isn't arcking nearly as much so it actually stands taller then most of my other models.

[DrakkenBlut]

Can it be cannibalized for Forsaken conversions?

[PG_gdaybloke]

My shopper at Comic Con picked up a Succubus for me! WOOT! Just got a pic emailed to me of it. Once I get it I'll let you know how the thing goes together.:-)

You can probably get a non-prescription creme for that... Gratz

[PG_Saturated Phat]

You can probably get a non-prescription creme for that... Gratz

I dont know, if it was gone W00T it's gonna take something a bit stronger than an over he counter creme. If may turn out to be a prescription job.

[captainspud]

I bought one, removed the card, and threw the model in the garbage.

[zeke2509]

I got one as well and those little arms are a pain in the rear to get on there. I pinned the wings on the back so they weren't too bad.

[Defenstrator]

Don't you have a bits bin?

[captainspud]

Don't you have a bits bin?

In my kitchen, I have tupperwares and a refrigerator. But if I buy a melon and the bottom turns black and rots out, is there any point saving it for later?

[Cromusz]

Got mine yesterday from Discount Games and have it primed and ready for paint.


Sorry for the bad phone pic.

Parts:

[Overread]

In my kitchen, I have tupperwares and a refrigerator. But if I buy a melon and the bottom turns black and rots out, is there any point saving it for later?

YES!
Rotting fruit = fantastic lure for drawing in insects of all kinds including butterflies!

[Crate123]

I think she is purrty, I really wish she could cast some kind of offensive spell as well, like an arcane bolt. It just irks me that a 4 armed demoness can not defend herself at all.

[PG_BloodRath]

What warlocks do you guys plan to use the succubus with

[Northern Ronin]

Ones with upkeeps. That's about my list at the moment.

[Overread]

With a free upkeep and a free animus spell I'm going to expect the Succubus to be a pretty popular choice in many armies!

[PG_BloodRath]

I'm having trouble not wanting it with one every one. I love this thing

[SageofLodoss]

Rarely do I have Carnivore on a unit with Abby (I commonly use Striders with her when I'm not doing Theme), so I don't think I'll really take it with Absylonia.

I think I'd rarely take it with pLylyth. Upkeeping Parasite for free would be nice sometimes, but pLylyth is usually only doing a few things each turn and usually has enough Fury to at least do that due to lack of spells. Could be useful but only if I have the room.

With eVayl and Bethayne I don't think it's super auto-include or anything, but I think I will like using it with them. Both have 3 upkeeps or so, so getting one for free gives you some nice breathing room if you happen to be using 2+ of them.

pVayl and pThags don't really need her, but she does work with them and give you a little boost. Not sure if its enough for me unless I have the spare points at the end though.

Kallus and eLylyth and Rhyas would be the ones that I REALLY want to include it with. Free Ignite means Kallus can cast Dark Guidance or a boosted Eruption and still have 2 Fury left. Lylyth can upkeep Shadowpack and still have 5 Fury around for snap firing goodness. Rhyas upkeeping Rapport for free is a good thing for her.

Not really sure about Saeryn. I think I'd be more likely to have both of her upkeeps in play at all times with a Succubus, but that's about it.

I'm a fan of its abilities though and will definitely consider it with eVayl, Bethayne, Rhyas, Kallus, and eLylyth.

[OldOneEye]

What warlocks do you guys plan to use the succubus with

Warlock nothing! I'm planning on using her with the Nephilim Soldier; the warlock thing will sort itself out.

My first thought is for the 5-Fury warlocks. Each one of them has an upkeep, so each one will appreciate that the Succubus is saving them 20% of their Fury pool.

[PG_BloodRath]

In this priority I'm looking at it
Kallus
Lylyth2
Thags1
Vayl2
Saeryn
Lylyth1
Bethayne

Not with
vayl1
Absylonia
Thags 2

I don't play rhyas so no opinion

[Seferon]

Kallus
Lylyth2
Vayl2
Bethayne
Vayl1
Ryhas
Lylyth1
Saeryn


Not with
Thags 2
Absylonia
Thags 1



I have played The Succubus with pThags a lot lately an the more i play it with him the less i want it with him. I've found that more often then not, i end up dropping 1 to 2 furry by the end of the turn when i'm playing the Succubus with him. At first i thought that 2 free spiny growths a turn was going to be great, but the more i look at it, the more i realize he just doesn't need it. pThag is a walking buff machine. All he does every turn is upkeep fog of war and Dragonic blessing every turn. That leaves him with 5 furry, he then casts a free spiny growth and pays for 1 more. In most cases this goes onto the scythean and Carnivean every turn. Which leaves him with 3 furry to transfer with every turn. In the case of the Succubus he has 6 furry to transfer with every turn. I dunno, i just don't feel like he needs that much every turn. Kinda seems like i could use those 2 points for something different. I mean sure, he could still cast his extra spiny growth every turn to make him have 4 furry to transfer with, but that still leaves me dropping 1 to 2 furry every turn which kinda just negates the reason of bringing the Succubus with him. I just don't feel like he needs it really.

I am looking forward to the Succubus with Bethayne though, there are always situations where i want to upkeep multiple spells on feat turn, but at the same time cast 2 eruptions of spines or 2 Gallows. Most of the time i can't do it because it would put me at 5 furry to upkeep 2 spells. ((I take Gatormen Posse and Hex Hunters with her. Kind run the gatormen spread out throughout the lines of the Hex Hunters so that both units get the benefit of Ashen Vail.)) With the Succubus it changes so that i can do this. I can even keep one fury to transfer with if i want to let carnivore drop for that turn.

[CaptBooyah]

One of the mistakes I made playing with her was not realising that it needs to be in command range (6") of the beast it's copying the animus of so I may have been out of range the couple of times I used it to pop Spiny Growth on another warbeast.

It's still good to use to put Spiny Growth on a Carni that's about to charge. Will probably use her in my pVayl list with Typhon.

[Alexwheeler]

Warlock nothing! I'm planning on using her with the Nephilim Soldier; the warlock thing will sort itself out.

thats a great idea but i still couldnt find the place to an extra 5pts, hard enuf finding 5 for Naga. but thanks for the idea of a "beast attachment"

Naga + succubus = good times

[Lanz]

Warlock nothing! I'm planning on using her with the Nephilim Soldier; the warlock thing will sort itself out.

A 7-point soldier just for a free charge and potential extra attack? I'm not sure if that's an improvement. I think I'd rather just find 2 more points and take a Scythean at that point.

[Admiral_Arzar]

I got one also, but it lacked a stat card, which is unfortunate as I don't know the stats lol.

[KhisanthMagus]

I should get one, but I severely dislike the model. Ugh.

[OldOneEye]

A 7-point soldier just for a free charge and potential extra attack? I'm not sure if that's an improvement. I think I'd rather just find 2 more points and take a Scythean at that point.

Smiley face = not entirely serious, hyperbole. I'll spell this out so it doesn't get overlooked: facepalm.

;-)

I look at it this way, though: IF I'm already taking a Nephilim Soldier (which hasn't happened since the field test, admittedly) AND I'm taking a Succubus as well, it's not bad synergy. What have people used to defend the Soldier before? Its animus. The drawback has always been that it's taking 2 fury from some available Fury pool-- big drawback when your 3-Fury Soldier needs to cast its animus AND do something else, and even worse when that 2 Fury is coming from your warlock. The Succubus, on top of doing her other stuff, now makes it a much more appealing prospect.

[Fernslayer]

When you guys get yer model painted ya need to post it here too so we can all see it in its painted glory!!

[Malorian]

I don't see the point with her on Rhyas. Sprint can very easily put you out of range and would force you to play very carefully.

Kallus doesn't need her. 4 for DG and 1 for transfer is all he ever does.

I'm really looking forward to using her with Bethayne so I can upkeep both of her good upkeeps and cast two of her good offensive spells each turn. eVayl will also get some use from it, but I'm wondering if it's overkill.

[CaptBooyah]

Not entirely true for Kallus, upkeeping ignite for free gives him 2 transfers and a free spinygrowth/tenacity is always a good thing. I've always felt safer with 2 consistent transfers over one.

[Seferon]

Not entirely true for Kallus, upkeeping ignite for free gives him 2 transfers and a free spinygrowth/tenacity is always a good thing. I've always felt safer with 2 consistent transfers over one.

Especially with Kallus's defensive stats. I've known people to doubt that they can actually assassinate Kallus while he is camping one and on feat turn. He is a tough nut to crack and giving him a second furry to camp just makes him a even more tougher nut to crack. Not to mention the turns when he wants to swap out Ignite onto something else.

[CaptBooyah]

Especially with Kallus's defensive stats. I've known people to doubt that they can actually assassinate Kallus while he is camping one and on feat turn. He is a tough nut to crack and giving him a second furry to camp just makes him a even more tougher nut to crack. Not to mention the turns when he wants to swap out Ignite onto something else.

I've stepped in my own AOE cloud of fire for MORE defense before (come at me, 1 health pt medium armour bros).

[Karnstein]

I got mine earlier this week and I?m going to run her today with either Saeryn or pVayl, maybe even with pThag. Here are my thoughts on our blighted horny Melusine:

I do like the model and I think it is a nice addition to Legion. But while she is good, she is neither a auto-include regardless of the point size your playing, nor does she that well with every single warlock.

She has her share of problems.

1. She is disgustingly fragile for a blighted 2 point model, esp. since her DEF is good but not stellar and her low ARM makes her very vulnerable for blast damage (esp. if the attacker has the ability to boost). While her stats are comparable with most of the other attachment solos in the game, those low stats come into play a lot thanks:

2. She needs to stick very close to her warlock. And not only that, she also needs to stick to both the beast whose animus she wants to cast and the target she wants to cast that animus on. That can leave her pretty close to the front, which makes it harder to screen her or keep her out of range. The only exception would be casting tenacity on your warlock, while keeping your shredder in the back for safety and as a cheap transfer target. Or casting Dragon fire on Lylyth2 before activating her and feating that turn.

But her stats are set in stone and that won?t change until Mk3, so let?s take a look at our warlocks.

Abby: Doesn?t need one, even with a non tier list and cycling carnivore there a better things you can buy for 2 points.

B&B: Succubus should be awesome with her. You can either cast EoS/Gallows twice, upkeep Ashen veil with the succubus and hold one fury for transfers, or you could cast just one, hold one fury for transfers and cycle a upkeep like carnivore or bloodthorn. She?s also pretty save behind a Despoiler cloud. Chances are also pretty high that she will mostly cast tenacity and B&B lists tend to keep her shredders away from the front lines.

Kallus: Upkeeping Ignit for free allows Kallus to either camp 2 fury after casting Dark guidance or cycle ignite and either camp 4 fury or cast Eruption and camp one. Tenacity is also the animus to go with her and that keeps her somewhere in the back or behind a wall of Ravagores, if you run a dual Ravagore list.

Lylyth1: I?m not sure Lylyth1 needs her, unless you run her as your hordes match up and upkeep Bad Blood a lot. Parasite + free warbeast kills most targets dead, so no need to upkeep that one. And 2pt is a bit too expensive for a free tenacity.

Lylyth2: Free upkeep and either tenacity, Dragon Fire or Wraithbane is golden. On the other hand with stealth on the whole battle-group we need to come up with another way to screen the Succubus. Maybe a gobber cloud.

Rhyas: Free upkeep and either tenacity on Rhyas herself, Spiny on a beast/throne (if you run a Carni for the 2handed throw teleport trick), or Massacre on a heavy/throne sounds good to me. If you run a throne you do have a space to hide her behind quite nicely.

Saeryn: You can cast tenacity for free, upkeep Respawn and have 7 fury on Saeryn to play around with. Say paying one for the B.Ward upkeep on herself and then either cast blight bringer and camp two, or a fully boosted hellfire and camp one, or boost breath stealer and use the remaining 3 fury for camp or handing out more tenacity.

Thag1: I?m not sure about him, esp. after reading Seferons post. I think unless you intend to cycle draconic blessing every turn or run more than 3 targets for Spiny Growth, she?s not worth the points with Thag.

Thag2: I?m not sure. Thag2 gets targeted pretty easily with ranged attacks, so every fury for transfers and a free tenacity or spiny growth should help a lot. On the other hand being an Abominations seriously impairs the Succubus movements, unless you bet on her making all her checks (even with eThag CMD10 thinks CAN go wrong). Haven?t played him once yet, so don?t put too much values on my assumptions regarding eThag+Succubus.

Vayl1: Keeping all her upkeep spells in play and casting incite leaves her with 4 fury. That?s enough to heal some aspects on her beasts w/o using or activating shepherds or cast some more spells/cycle chiller. Or you could drop a upkeep and cast both incite and a boosted ramapager to pull out a enemy warbeast and still save one fury for transfers. With tenacity and Dragon Fire the succubus should have enough valuable Spirit Tap targets. Not to mention some that don?t force her to walk right into the fray. She could also cast Dragon Fire on Typhon before Vayl activates and cast ignite, sparing you the fury on either Vayl or the Ravagore himself.

Vayl2: Don?t think the free animus will come into play that often at the start of the game, since I tend to run her Tier list that needs to spawn lesser like shredders or stingers. But you could cast Dragon Fire on an angelus and then shoot something with him and refuge back into safety (put admonition on him). Free upkeep means activating the refuge angel first and then still having 8 fury left on her feat turn. Cast every single spell once for free, boost on Icy grip and Obliteration and still have 5 left for camp, healing beasts, casting a second Obliteration and/or buffing beasts with animis.