Kraken in the field

[PG_RevGeoff]

Ok, who has actual field experience with him/her/it and which caster did it work with or fail with? I have mine put together and I'm looking to try it out.

If you post, say if your comments are theory or tested so we can all know.

(I was looking and couldn't find a post about this yet...)

[jonconcarne]

umm, I've only played it with Gaspy3, but it's very nice. Long threat range, chain weapon ignores shields to screw over menoth jacks. Plus it's got a BFG. What kind of stuff are you looking for?

[PG_Fellio]

I've played it with Mortenebra, pDenegrah and eSkarre, and every time it is 'alright'.
For the point value, it performs, but it also feels a bit lack luster because it is so many points in a single model.

I almost always bring a Necrotech with it, because when you spend that many points you want to protect your investment, which means you'll end up spending more.

You want to get it corpse tokens, but I've found it works better as a gun platform until you can get the charge on an important piece. If you send it in to get corpse tokens, it can die fairly easily, just keep it safe and abuse the range of it's guns until the enemy gets infantry near it and you can sweep to get your corpse tokens.

The main cannon is great dealing with precious enemies the opponent keeps in reserve. Also good for chunking high defense casters - remember, the Corpse Tokens add to damage rolls, and not to the Pow of the gun, so the blast damage gets +3 to damage rolls if you've got three tokens on it.

With eSkarre, the main cannon is great with blackspot.

14'' threat with Mort against living models is disgusting considering it's strength.

Both Mort and eSkarre offer it an armor boost as well.

Denegrah is Denegrah, so, y'know, it is good with her.

I'm getting 3Asphyxious at Comic Con, so I'll be trying it with him soon. I think it'll be fairly deadly with Mobility and Scything Touch.

[Drzombieface]

I've proxied it with 3 casters so far:

pGaspy in 2 games: 35 and 50 points.

Mortenebra in 35 and 50

Gaspy3 in 1 50 point game.


With Scything Touch, Parasite, Gorman, and a Bane Thrall in my pGaspy lists I was able to turn the Kraken into an unstoppable killing machine. It was swinging effective P+S 30 on my opponent's warjacks, P+S 26 on their caster (My Thralls had died by then.)

Morty's Terminal Velocity, like anyone would expect, makes the Kraken a caster- seeking nuke. Spectral Steel is also a god(Toruk?)send for positioning and movement, in addition to the much appreciated ARM buff it provides. ARM 21 and 60 health? Yep. Gimme.

Gaspy3's Mobility + Carnage combination makes the Kraken fight with the capability of our two most elite Warjacks, Nightmare and The Deathjack, and even surpasses the Deathjack in damage with Corpse Tokens around. It's nothing to scoff at. I actually enjoy running Gaspy3's tier list with the Kraken around.

[PG_RevGeoff]

I haven't tried it out yet...I'm thinking of taking it to a Colossals release as part of Mort's tier 4 list.

[PG_Purplecow]

Got 5 games in with it at Lock and Load, 2 with Pdenny, 2 with Morty, and 1 with ESkarre.

The ESkarre game was a wash since the dice gods hate me (charging errants and bastions did 70+ damage when average should have been closer to 30) so all it really did was lose me the game (gotta watch out for that wreck marker if you don't bring something to get ride of it!)

Morty was a whole lot of fun, TV + SS is a whole lot of fun. Both games I was able to get full corpses and continue to wreak havoc, including a caster kill.

PDenny does what she always does, but the pop and drop is EXTREMELY effective with the kraken added. I run her with Nyss, so they bring their 10 POW 15 (feat+parasite) shots vs a knocked down caster, and the kraken brings it's POW 19 and 2-4 POW 17 shots. One of the games I even got to charge in and I can tell you that there aren't ANY casters that like POW 24 attacks.

The it really needs some kind of screen to prevent random dice or big mean heavies from wrecking it, though. I've been putting together a PSkarre list using a min unit of blackbanes in front of it to some effect!

[PG_Purplecow]

grrrr, double post

[deademon]

The it really needs some kind of screen to prevent random dice or big mean heavies from wrecking it, though. I've been putting together a PSkarre list using a min unit of blackbanes in front of it to some effect!

blackbanes are incorporeal. so ppl can move past them. with a 5pt full unit of mechithralls, i think they fill it nicely

[Decade]

blackbanes are incorporeal. so ppl can move past them. with a 5pt full unit of mechithralls, i think they fill it nicely

yes, but unless they have reach or your opponent can somehow destroy them before moving things in, if the ghosts are on the field, you can't end your activation in the same space they ocupy. I've used them to keep opponents from charging my casters before by simply putting them in a position where an opposing model does not have the space to end its movement within attack range of my caster.

[PG_Purplecow]

yes, but unless they have reach or your opponent can somehow destroy them before moving things in, if the ghosts are on the field, you can't end your activation in the same space they ocupy. I've used them to keep opponents from charging my casters before by simply putting them in a position where an opposing model does not have the space to end its movement within attack range of my caster.

What he said. Plus they can threaten free strikes. They also have a really unique roll in screening a huge based model. The kraken can charge through them, kill whatever is in front of it, and then blackbane and his troops can run/charge through the kraken to resume their screen.

[1or2]

I got my Kraken and Gaspy3 from comic con. With ESkarre the Kraken and black spot is Brutal. I killed a unit of gun mages and storm blades in one turn with him. Plus right after i popped her feat. Nothing like having a Kraken in your face you cant attack. Gaspy3 works very well with the Kraken as well. Actually Gaspy3 works very well in general. I think works very different than most of our caster but its very nice. He pleases me. But the pure destructive potential of the Kraken is amazing. he can not be ignored which means something you want to get to your opponent will. I want to try him with Denny and Morty next. I think Colossals will and do change the game.

[Steel]

1or2, just bear in mind that Skarre2's feat has been errata'd such that it won't affect huge bases. You can't make the kracken invincible, but you can make it so anything that can hurt it can't attack.

[1or2]

1or2, just bear in mind that Skarre2's feat has been errata'd such that it won't affect huge bases. You can't make the kracken invincible, but you can make it so anything that can hurt it can't attack.

There really needs to be an errata book or thread that just says erratas. There probably is. But that raises the question then. Will the Necrotech get an ability to make like 2d6 to make scrap thralls on them? MY GOSH! Will the combine get us a free one if they kill one. Probably not on that last one but this is me slightly bitter about that.

[PG_Fellio]

There really needs to be an errata book or thread that just says erratas. There probably is. But that raises the question then. Will the Necrotech get an ability to make like 2d6 to make scrap thralls on them? MY GOSH! Will the combine get us a free one if they kill one. Probably not on that last one but this is me slightly bitter about that.

Warroom will offer all erratas currently in the game.

Necrotechs also cannot harvest huge bases, sadly.

[Loate]

Used mine in 3 games with eGoreshade so far, 50 point army list lots of banes (list at bottom). The Kraken's done really well, mainly as a piece that my opponent has to dedicate multiple heavies to kill otherwise shooting with Phantom Hunter is going to wreck whatever he's trying to hide; and it also performs well when needed in melee, especially with the 4" reach. I find that it doesn't really get many chances to get corpse tokens as you want it to clear out heavy threats first, though that might also be influenced by the fact that people don't want to let infantry get close to eGoreshade banes in the first place. Really the only problem is high Def targets, but that's what the aoe is for also

Overall I like it, gives me shooting options I didn't have before and also packs a punch in close combat. It's about equivalent to two heavies (replaced the two Leviathans I ran in the list before) which seems right to me. Takes some killing to get rid of but isn't ridiculously overpowered.

List:
eGoreshade
Kraken
max Bane Thralls w/ UA
min Bane Thralls w/ UA
max Bane Knights
Tartarus
Withershadow Combine
Necrotech
Scrap Thrall

Straightforward "Apply Banes until things stop moving" list.

(Fun side note, with eGoreshade's tier3 bonus you can redeploy the Kraken at the end of your setup if you really want to screw with your opponent. The problem is finding space to redeploy it to)

[PG_RevGeoff]

Kraken with eShade...maybe I'll try that and blow the dust off of him.

[juckto]

There really needs to be an errata book or thread that just says erratas.

What, you mean like a thread called The official errata? <_<

[PG_Fellio]

Will be playing it with Asphyxious3 hopefully tomorrow. I'm hyped.

Although I think in the end Nightmare will prove to be Asphyxious3's BFF and whenever I think about them together I end up hearing Queen's You're My Best Friend in my head.