Colossals Fluff Discussion: Spoilers Alert

[KhisanthMagus]

Here is a thought i have been having... Instead of character death what of character demotion? We have all seen characters go epic and get different abilities, what if they are setting up Hailey to get demoted? Instead of her being a warcaster what if she becomes a potent jack marshal instead, thanks to the poison. It would be a kind of cool character evolution similar to how Eiryss is now becoming a UA!


I think it would be fun to have a warcaster and a former warcaster turned jack marshal in the same list without having to go to 100 pts or whatever 2 caster format you want.

You know Haley is going to get healed somehow, as much as many people would prefer she not.

[jandrese]

It's not entirely out of the question that eeHaley will be a FOC 5 or 6 caster, due to the lingering effects of the poison. She's going to be a hard sell after her normal epic version regardless, there's no way she can be anything like as powerful as her epic version and still considered balanced.

[The Horror]

The one thing that bothered me about the colossals fluff was the Witch Coven. In the Menoth Forces book the Harbinger shouted, "Morgaen I name you Providence has come!" as she stabbed the witch, yet as Deneghra is speaking to the Coven in the woods Selene bears the scar from the fight with the Harbinger. Either this was a major oversight, or the Coven have some very interesting powers I don't know about.

[Northern Ronin]

Morbus and Daemortus have died. Voyle is the only individual named that is as important as a lich lord and that was to pave the way for Harbinger. I think some have a glossed up view of the fluff. There aren't many as embarassing losses as Terminus had to a bunch steelheads.

Harbinger was there with Voyle, he was the man she came to when she first appeared, and it was he who first truly acknowledged her divine power. His death did not pave the way for Harbinger, her appearance paved the way to his death. A singular Lich Lord is entirely replace able, Cryx is an unfeeling machine that will regrow those parts, and every lich lord has died in the end, to a lich lord. Well. Gaspy, other factions tend to lose people to other factions as FearLord pointed out, most of those names (the Protectorate in particular) are pretty important names. Runewood dying was pretty big, Hurst of course has had a big impact with his death as well.

As to terminus losing, A: He more lost due to his own army. Granted his army was "A bunch of random Mechanithralls", but he was pined in to a brilliant move by Daminao and Kreoss that literally cut off all of his space to fight to the point he was cleaving through his own army just to try and get at those steelheads, before realizing if he was going to stay longer, it was going to be a row of Vengers, and two warcasters. Terminus is smart, and knew that wasn't going to end well. He was only there as a distraction anyway, so there was no reason for him to stick around (though he was clearly a little angry to lose, I don't think he's used to it). And don't fail to keep in mind, the Lich Lords are about as powerful as they are represented in game, which is about as strong as any other caster in the game (Well, its Cryx, so a little stronger). His feat ran out, and his armor dropped to reasonable levels.

[FearLord]

Morbus and Daemortus have died. Voyle is the only individual named that is as important as a lich lord and that was to pave the way for Harbinger. I think some have a glossed up view of the fluff. There aren't many as embarassing losses as Terminus had to a bunch steelheads.

I assume you mean that Voyle died to pave the way for Severius to go epic? Well, I think you'll find Daemortus only died so Asphixious could go epic...

In fact, Asphixious going epic a second time, is basically tied to the death of Morbus (as he is now poised to become the most powerful Lich Lord, having assumed his duties as producer of the armies of Cryx)...

[Driver]

I really want Cryx to lose REALLY badly in the next book. They are way overdue for some smackdown.

[bouncymischa]

I really want Cryx to lose REALLY badly in the next book. They are way overdue for some smackdown.

I suppose it depends what you'd consider a serious loss, but I have a feeling that Privateer has worked too hard to set up the Cryxian presence in the Thornwood to just crush it all in the next book. Thinking about it, I imagine that, while the Cygnar/Khador alliance won't hold, a sort of ceasefire will, and Vlad and Severius may well negotiate a ceasefire as well, allowing those three powers to reinforce their defenses around the Thornwood. Khador may get a little excitement in trying to bust Karchev out -- or Karchev might be the first warcaster casualty and end up with his corpse tossed at the entrance to a Khadoran fort.

It will be amusing to see if Magnus will be stupid enough to try and attack Cygnar, though...

[PG_Dino-Czar]

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It will be amusing to see if Magnus will be stupid enough to try and attack Cygnar, though...

Why would that be stupid? We've had at least three books of establishing him as a far greater military mind than any Cygnar can boast. And he has the heir, a McGuffin that is supposed to be really super important.

[Drzombieface]

I really want Cryx to lose REALLY badly in the next book. They are way overdue for some smackdown.

Cryx was pushed out of Point Bourne, Terminus was routed, and Venethrax's caravan was delayed. All fairly recently.


Asphyxious' surprise in the Thornwood was just about the only recent major victory for Cryx, aside from Scaverous taking possession of the Greylord's skulls and subsequent intel.


No one but Asphyxious' little buddy circle knew just what he was up to, and that's why his strike was so devastating. That, and he's in the running (by his own hand) for Big Cheese of the Lich Lords. You don't get that kind of power by being a pushover.

[bouncymischa]

Why would that be stupid? We've had at least three books of establishing him as a far greater military mind than any Cygnar can boast. And he has the heir, a McGuffin that is supposed to be really super important.

Mostly because I can't imagining further weakening Cygnar's military at a time when there's a giant fortress of the undead right next door to be a good idea...

"I could help fight all these undead, but I'm sure they won't come and attack me once the war's over..."

[OldOneEye]

Cryx was pushed out of Point Bourne, Terminus was routed, and Venethrax's caravan was delayed. All fairly recently.

When you have to list "my caravan isn't on time" as one of your story defeats, it means you've had too many bites of the apple lately. XD

[Chouraku]

When you have to list "my caravan isn't on time" as one of your story defeats, it means you've had too many bites of the apple lately. XD

Sounds a bit better if you word it: "The caravan escorting the key to defeating our god is inexplicably late"
Especially when you consider why it is late.

[Drzombieface]

When you have to list "my caravan isn't on time" as one of your story defeats, it means you've had too many bites of the apple lately. XD

When what they're moving could affect all of Caen depending on who has it, I'd say it's pretty big problem when it's delayed and likely to be attacked. It's an Athanc. Whether it's what's used to create Archangels, or it makes it back to Skell, we just have to wait and see.

[OldOneEye]

Sounds a bit better if you word it: "The caravan escorting the key to defeating our god is inexplicably late"
Especially when you consider why it is late.

When what they're moving could affect all of Caen depending on who has it, I'd say it's pretty big problem when it's delayed and likely to be attacked. It's an Athanc. Whether it's what's used to create Archangels, or it makes it back to Skell, we just have to wait and see.

When Cryx DIDN'T have every single one of their Colossals destroyed, DIDN'T have one of their warcasters poisoned thus severely hindering their arcane powers, etc., "late athanc (which, BTW, we took with no issues whatsoever and kept all the way through having a mountain dropped on us)" doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

What I'm saying is that "late athanc THAT WE STILL HAVE" being one of your big problems should probably be a sign of how ridiculously awesome Cryxian fortunes have been for some time now.

Also, somewhat off-topic, but I seem to remember hearsay from L&L that the Archangels are made from the dragon bones Kallus recovered from Pyromalfic's lair.

[ColdYinTiger]

I'm still pretty iritated that Amon has still gotten the shaft in the fluff. I understand everyone can't be the focus of the stories, but if they have seemed to forgotten about anyone who had a massive fluff boost potential, it's him. Voyle, the man who seemed to have hand picked this guy to both be a member of his order and soon tested him until he could control warjacks, dies in front of him. You would think that having your mentor get offed like that would either cause a rampage or at least some character growth.

[Rapier]

Being that Voyle was killed because the Harbinger gave her weapon to the enemy to kill him.

I think it's more likely he's rethinking his entire position on who and what is worth fighting for - it's not necessarily going to make him go epic to learn that his God turned on his mentor.

If I remember - he's Idrian - maybe he's going to move towards them (and some of the plight of the repressed ones); if so you might get to see him in the next book, apparently you're getting Idrian light cavalry.

Really all the complaints against Cryx are really a complaint against the setup of the IK - Dragons are super awesome and very hard to kill. Toruk is the best of these (By a lot; he's about as powerful as all the rest combined); Cryx only hasn't wiped out all of the Iron Kingdoms because Toruk doesn't bother to make moves against the lesser races; essentially the drving force behind Cryx is so far out of the league of everything in the Iron Kingdoms (Except Blighterghast) that he just doesn't bother.

Combine that with the standard advantage of the undead factions in a fantasy setting - no moral; rank and file will do just what you want them too; your army is replaced easier and faster during wars. I know Asphyxious thinks Toruk might just kill them all if they fail too badly but he won't do that while an Arthanc is on the table. If he destroys all his human servants and Blighterghast and Everblight keep theirs - he'd have to go himself to get it. Which he doesn't want to do because then the other dragons would move against him.

The human kingdoms banding together against the undead was always going to be the case - as soon as any hint occurred of them being a military player instead of just scattered necromancers it should have started. The fact that it took this long for Cygnar and Khador to work it out shows how supremely bad the leadership is on both sides.

[Chip]

What I'm saying is that "late athanc THAT WE STILL HAVE" being one of your big problems should probably be a sign of how ridiculously awesome Cryxian fortunes have been for some time now.

Except that Venethrax's last line in the book is essentially "We're about to be attacked, en masse, by dragonspawn. How hard can it be?"

I can only assume that the discussions about this being Venethrax's last job due to him being three days from retirement, which is good because he's realised how he's been neglecting his family and wants to reconnect with them while simultaneously starting a charity to help the war orphans of Immoren were cut due to length.

[infamousd]

Baaahhh Oh man, I remember when Cryx players were "OMG I AM SO TIRED OF ALWAYS LOSING IN THE FLUFF! WHY CANT WE NEVER WIN" then two books in which Cryx has somewhat of a victory (cause who knows what will happen in the next fluff section of NQ or the next book) people scream at the tops of their lungs at how much BS it is the villain creates dramatic tension by actually doing something. Hasn't pretty much every fight before these two books, Cryx gotten it handed to them SO BADLY that it was embarrassing?

What will happen when Cygnar starts to win, will everyone start saying how "It's unfair the good guy always win, bunch of mary sues!"

[ColdYinTiger]

Being that Voyle was killed because the Harbinger gave her weapon to the enemy to kill him.

I think it's more likely he's rethinking his entire position on who and what is worth fighting for - it's not necessarily going to make him go epic to learn that his God turned on his mentor.

If I remember - he's Idrian - maybe he's going to move towards them (and some of the plight of the repressed ones); if so you might get to see him in the next book, apparently you're getting Idrian light cavalry.

I can't remember the exact quote, but I remember it being stated that only two people know what really happened to Voyle. Harbinger and Stryker, and neither of them have told anyone what really went on. To Cygnar, their war hero Stryker took down the head of the Protectorate, someone who was considered a demi-god, even by the Harbinger's standards. To Menoth, they had their leader struck down by Cygnar, a man who brought them up to becoming the war machine they are now. Amon didn't know anything about that. All he saw was his mentor and leader stolen from the Protectorate in their time of glory.



As for people complaining Cryx winning, they were kind of the whipping boys for a while and though they might have had subtle victories, it is kind of annoying to see everything be a part of a plan rather than having true victories. If cygnar started winning a lot, I wouldn't complain much as long as Haley wasn't being her normal Haley self. I do like the fact that her ailment is messing her up, it is stripping her of her former title many had for her. The rest of Cygnar I am fine with, as I find the other casters and members to be at least somewhat interesting.

[PG_Stevo]

It will be amusing to see if Magnus will be stupid enough to try and attack Cygnar, though...

I don't think Magnus is going to attack Cygnar at all. He might kill Leto or force him to abdicate or name Vintner's Bastard as his heir and then use his massive Merc Army to *prevent* Vintner's supporters from taking advantage of the fact that Nemo, Haley, Brisbane, Stryker, Sloan, Blaize, Darius, and Kraye are in the fight of their lives.

Magnus is using everything he set up for Vintner for his own ends, which now seem tied to the Bastard's fate rather than Vintner's. Leto could see naming Vintner's son as an heir as a balm for those who think he's a usurper.

As for Cryx winning/suffering setbacks....
Cryx has had a lot of plots not work out for them. The Orgoth Temple didn't work out, but the Harbinger died, Darius was severely injured, Thunderhead was wrecked, and Deneghra even got a chance to upstage Haley. All those things go in the plus column for Cryx. Asphyxious *not* being a God probably also goes in the plus column, for that matter.

Not at all happy with the poisoning of Haley. I'm fine with poisoning her, but I was not happy with the artifice or the explanation. It just seems that Haley could have sat this entire story out, healing up after her wounding. I don't like the whole "her magic never runs out, so the poison never stops". That's really the only problem I have with Colossals: the poisoning of Haley.

The rest is pretty awesome. Cryx showing the world what three warcasters can do with unlimited Focus via souls, the Butcher showing what he thinks of the alliance between Khador and Cygnar, Stryker and Ol' Rowdy taking out a Kraken, Irusk coming to the aid of Kraye, Nemo and Irusk butting heads on strategy, Vyros spinning the rescue of Ossyan into the finding and returning of Nyssor, Severius and Kreoss sharing a meaningful discussion about the importance of tempering faith with restraint, and Goreshade's rematch with Vyros followed by his negotiations with Zerkova...these events were what I've been waiting for. Real progress was made with this book, and I'm really happy with it.

[scout's honor]

Cryx won? Not by my count. What Gaspy was shown to have built up should have allowed him to reduce both Cygnar and Khador to a couple of pockets of pitiful guerilla resistance when revealed and used at the most opportune moment. Instead he gained... nothing really. Cryx' presence is revealed, all they built over the last few years is mostly in shambles, and Khador and Cygnar have entered a shaky alliance instead of weakening each other further. Congrats, Gaspy. I'm sure Toruk is really pleased with you right now.

[PG_Dino-Czar]

Mostly because I can't imagining further weakening Cygnar's military at a time when there's a giant fortress of the undead right next door to be a good idea...

"I could help fight all these undead, but I'm sure they won't come and attack me once the war's over..."

I can't see carving out his own kingdom with his own pocket king as "stupid". The timing is ideal, so unless he wastes his chance on slapping down Vinter (or the like) he'd be stupid not to crush whatever token resistance Cygnar could muster against him.


Having said that, with nearly all the warcasters tied up the non-storm soldiers of Cygnar (who have a far better record without character support than they do with warcaster "help") might pull what they did when the fourth army routed the trolls. *


*Yes, yes, traitors. I'm not saying the fourth needs to do anything themselves, just that the troll masacre is Cygnar's one clean win against a prepared opponent who wasn't there just to stall them.

[Pudgeinabowl]

Frankly, I'm starting to find both Dragon factions (Cryx and Legion) a little insufferable as they seem to continually be succeeding at just about everything they try. We've gone a little beyond needing to show the bad guys as competent at this point. I'm starting to wonder why everyone who isn't directly connected to one of the dragon factions is still around and kicking at all . . . Why not just be done with it and have Legion v. Cryx fighting over an apocalyptic wasteland. I'm not particularly impressed with the direction the story line has been going. I'd really like to see Legion and Cryx both take some real and lasting butt-kickings in the VERY near future.

Keep in mind I say this as someone who plays every damn faction, so I feel like I'm about as impartial as its possible to be. I'm just a little sick of the love being heaped on the dragon factions. It's cloying.

To be honest I think this adds some 'reality' in terms of the scopes of powers at play on Caen, and reflects as to how Dragons see the world. EVERYTHING the mortals do is in the end, irrelevant, since Toruk and his progeny rival gods in strength. It took the better chunk of the super advanced Iosans in their prime to put down Everblight (self admittedly not the toughest dragon), and they couldn't even kill him properly.

The only thing that can kill dragons (apart from possibly entering the souls world (forgotten name, orobos running around etc)) is other dragons. If the combined forces of Cygnar and Khador are having problems with a minion of the dragons, it stands to reason the entire mainland is buggered if Toruk goes out for a romp.

But the dragons don't care about mortals, I mean I could kill every ant/slug/worm/goddam bee in my backyard, I just actually don't care what they do and it has next to no impact on what I do (of course they die very quickly when they do get in my way/house).

I like that PP is not back tracking on the power level they initially gave to the dragons (like so many comic books/movies/fantasy series do). They set the Dragons at level X (X being miles above anything and everything else), and are not budging it. It's always grating to see something that was borderline invincible one day, suddenly conveniently lose it's abilities and take a whooping it wouldn't have suffered last week. Of course it's equally grating when the enemy conveniently brings out an anti-dragon mcguffin and goes a pwning.

Also you should read the legion fluff more closely, pretty much every story is one warcaster or another getting absolutely smashed (Lylyth, Abby, Bethayne have all nearly died, Kallus HAS died (he didn't mean to, that just turned out to be his 'thing').

[hunter4925]

Perhaps it was address and I just havent gotten around to reading it just yet, but something that caught my attention, but received very little screen time, was the fact that in Domination, Baldur buries a athanc along with a Cryx force, but there was also a mention that the closest Circle force to that location was that of Kruger. With all the athanc related business going on between Cryx and Legion, what would happen say if Kruger was able to get his hands on the athanc? Would he take it back to the druids or could we see an much more interesting scheme with Kruger's dealing with Blighterghast coming into play. All this talk of how the mainland good guy factions cant hold a candle to the forces behind Cryx and the long string of victories that Everblight has been racking up, with if suddenly this alliance of convinced sudden had Blighterghast and or his dragon council taking up arms against the main dragon factions in full force? Not saying this will be an buddy buddy thing, but more or an enemy of my enemy is my friend kinda thing. If everyone is getting their taints handed to them by dragon forces, what better way for PP to turn the tide than to have the other dragons we keep hearing about flex a little muscle. I just gotta think there is something more to the Kruger/Blighterghast link.

PP has everyone thinking that the rescue of Karchev is going to be a big huge deal with some sort of epic clash, but I have a hunch it will be much more subtle. We know that the Old Witch has an in with Denegra. What an awesome move it would be if the Old Witch simply called in her favor and force Denegra to secretly abscond with Karchev.

I agree with an earlier post that they really should do more in the fluff with Amon. I mean this guy is truly one fo a kind. He doesnt wear warcaster armour, his powers are his will manifested, not some nature born talent, he has gone toe to toe with Big K, and in his own right could wreck some major face is used properly. Not sure where PP can fit him into things fluff-wise currently, but this guys seems like he could have some epically written battles.

Didn't the Rhulic people show the humans how to build colossals in exchange for cortex technology way back when? If I am correct, this would seem to have laid the ground work for Rhulic Colossals I would think.

[PG_Dino-Czar]

Perhaps it was address and I just havent gotten around to reading it just yet, but something that caught my attention, but received very little screen time, was the fact that in Domination, Baldur buries a athanc along with a Cryx force, but there was also a mention that the closest Circle force to that location was that of Kruger. With all the athanc related business going on between Cryx and Legion, what would happen say if Kruger was able to get his hands on the athanc? Would he take it back to the druids or could we see an much more interesting scheme with Kruger's dealing with Blighterghast coming into play. All this talk of how the mainland good guy factions cant hold a candle to the forces behind Cryx and the long string of victories that Everblight has been racking up, with if suddenly this alliance of convinced sudden had Blighterghast and or his dragon council taking up arms against the main dragon factions in full force? Not saying this will be an buddy buddy thing, but more or an enemy of my enemy is my friend kinda thing. If everyone is getting their taints handed to them by dragon forces, what better way for PP to turn the tide than to have the other dragons we keep hearing about flex a little muscle. I just gotta think there is something more to the Kruger/Blighterghast link.

It is an interesting theory, and dragons swooping in to rescue the poor befuddled swans would certainly be in keeping with the theme of Cygnar never being master of its own destiny.

[Rapier]

Blighterghast is already infered to have power over Omnipotent Locutious - I suspect that dieseaed hand we didn't get to see when Kreuger was trying to see Blighterghast is dragon blighted - I'm expecting Kreuger to end up blighted himself after all this. (Only Everblight can blight people into mindless creatures so he'd still have his personality).

Blighterghast, Scarfang and Halfaug convening at all is something to note; that's essentially the 3 big dragons around the Iron Kindgoms coming together. I could easily see this being the start of a new blighted/dragon faction or at least some interesting merc/minions or blighted faction models.

Blighterghast essentially sits in the middle of Cygnar already - it's not much of a link to have him make a deal with Magnus or Leto if they find they need Dragon backing. Alternatively as suggested Kreuger may offer the arthanc to Blighterghast (Already the most powerful dragon after Toruk).

I'm also curious how big the summons Blighterghast actually sent was - will we see Charsung and Asphedel?

Toruk and the dragons are not at equal power level. Toruk is (roughly) equal to all the other dragons combined - all of them together fought him to a stalemate and lost some of their number. It's hard to equate exactly though, the dragon that used to be Charsung and Asphedel (something begining with K or E, I think) was possibly still weaker than Blighterghast - and Charsung and Asphedel are no push overs at CR 30 and 32.

As far as we know the other dragons cannot bestow divine power the way Toruk can.

[hunter4925]

As far as we know the other dragons cannot bestow divine power the way Toruk can.

Not sure if Blighterghast was listed in the Monsternomicon, but if he is, what abilities does he list? If memory serves me correctly, each dragon has their own unique gift. Perhaps Blighterghast has such a gift or one that we have yet to even comprehend. He did not reach his position amongst the dragon siblings by being a slouch. Of all the dragons I would see him being the least likely to emerge as a faction of some sort. He has organized his siblings into hiding and waiting for the right time while trying their best not to attract the attention of Toruk. A unit or a few solos I could perhaps see coming in the form of "something" blighted, but I would think an entire faction would be out of character for Blighterghast.

[Sygerrik]

Blighterghast is already infered to have power over Omnipotent Locutious - I suspect that dieseaed hand we didn't get to see when Kreuger was trying to see Blighterghast is dragon blighted - I'm expecting Kreuger to end up blighted himself after all this. (Only Everblight can blight people into mindless creatures so he'd still have his personality).

Blighterghast, Scarfang and Halfaug convening at all is something to note; that's essentially the 3 big dragons around the Iron Kindgoms coming together. I could easily see this being the start of a new blighted/dragon faction or at least some interesting merc/minions or blighted faction models.

Blighterghast essentially sits in the middle of Cygnar already - it's not much of a link to have him make a deal with Magnus or Leto if they find they need Dragon backing. Alternatively as suggested Kreuger may offer the arthanc to Blighterghast (Already the most powerful dragon after Toruk).

I'm also curious how big the summons Blighterghast actually sent was - will we see Charsung and Asphedel?

Toruk and the dragons are not at equal power level. Toruk is (roughly) equal to all the other dragons combined - all of them together fought him to a stalemate and lost some of their number. It's hard to equate exactly though, the dragon that used to be Charsung and Asphedel (something begining with K or E, I think) was possibly still weaker than Blighterghast - and Charsung and Asphedel are no push overs at CR 30 and 32.

As far as we know the other dragons cannot bestow divine power the way Toruk can.

Locutious = Lortus
Asphedel = Ashnephos
Charsung = Charsaug
Kreuger = Krueger
Scarfang = Scaefang
Blighterghast = Blightergast

And the progenitor of Ashnephos and Charsaug was named Erdross.
Names, people, names!

[infamousd]

Cryx won? Not by my count. What Gaspy was shown to have built up should have allowed him to reduce both Cygnar and Khador to a couple of pockets of pitiful guerilla resistance when revealed and used at the most opportune moment. Instead he gained... nothing really. Cryx' presence is revealed, all they built over the last few years is mostly in shambles, and Khador and Cygnar have entered a shaky alliance instead of weakening each other further. Congrats, Gaspy. I'm sure Toruk is really pleased with you right now.

Thats a 'we'll see" moment. If Venny gets the anthanc, awesome, if he doesn't, gaspy will be moving to Zu and growing a moustache calling himself senior skullyface.

[Wispur]

It seems pretty obvious to me that they're setting up the next book to be Civil War themed. Every factions has a reason to chew itself up.

[FearLord]

It seems pretty obvious to me that they're setting up the next book to be Civil War themed. Every factions has a reason to chew itself up.

That's exactly what lots of people said after Wrath about this book... It didn't happen...

[PG_RevGeoff]

I for one really like that the bad guys have bloodied the "good" guys. It seems much better than the "bad guy almost wins but is defeated at the last moment yet again" syndrome that is in almost every fantasy story (I did say almost every not every).
That being said, Cryx does seem to win some loose some as they mess with each other. I'm just glad that Haley didn't kill another lich this book.
Over all, the Wrath fluff made me interested enough in the story again that the fluff was the first thing I read when I picked up the Colossals book at L&L. I wasn't disappointed. Even when Nightmare was squashed.

I am curious how the Skorne invasion of Ios is going to work. Nobody messes with Ios because of their defenses (right?)...does this mean that the Skorne invasion is going to suffer its first big setback?

[PG_RevGeoff]

This thread just reminds me of how much I have forgotten...I'm going to go back and read the MKI books...too bad I don't have all the NQs. PP YOU NEED TO REPUBLISH ALL YOUR FLUFF!!!!

[Sygerrik]

I for one really like that the bad guys have bloodied the "good" guys. It seems much better than the "bad guy almost wins but is defeated at the last moment yet again" syndrome that is in almost every fantasy story (I did say almost every not every).
That being said, Cryx does seem to win some loose some as they mess with each other. I'm just glad that Haley didn't kill another lich this book.
Over all, the Wrath fluff made me interested enough in the story again that the fluff was the first thing I read when I picked up the Colossals book at L&L. I wasn't disappointed. Even when Nightmare was squashed.

I am curious how the Skorne invasion of Ios is going to work. Nobody messes with Ios because of their defenses (right?)...does this mean that the Skorne invasion is going to suffer its first big setback?

Ios's biggest defenses in the direction the Skorne are attacking are the Hyperions on the gates. Too bad they were all commandeered and moved west.

[bouncymischa]

This thread just reminds me of how much I have forgotten...I'm going to go back and read the MKI books...too bad I don't have all the NQs. PP YOU NEED TO REPUBLISH ALL YOUR FLUFF!!!!

My guess is that the Skorne will have successes in Gargantuans. If nothing else, the fluff seems to be that you need a Colossal/Gargantuan to stop another Colossal/Gargantuan, and the Skorne are likely to have their Mammoths on hand while the Hyperions have been moved away.

On the other hand, in the next Warmachine book we'll find out the Iosan response to the early Skorne successes, with enough chaos that might allow Goreshade to slip into the country...

[Scottl1]

Um guys another theory about this athanc business is Loe gets it and makes themselves some archangels.

[scout's honor]

It seems pretty obvious to me that they're setting up the next book to be Civil War themed. Every factions has a reason to chew itself up.

Cygnar might, depending on what Magnus gets up to. Everyone else just seems up to the usual political machinations: lich lords one-upping one another, Iosan houses trying to steal each other's spotlight, Feora being too ambitious for her own good, yadda yadda yadda. Everything in the fluff indicates the Empress has successfully defused the situation with Vlad as well. Sure, that can all change at the drop of a hat - but for now I don't see any kind of build up towards civil war, which was much more the case with Wrath.

[d715]

I really want Cryx to lose REALLY badly in the next book. They are way overdue for some smackdown.

I think this was suppose to be like the battle of hoth or something were the bad guys win a major victory and have the good guys on the run but not out.

I would say next book is after the losses the Cygnar and Khador switch to hit and run tactics (ie why they now have all those horse units) And harbinger talk to the other members about how they maybe should do something about that new zombie fort.

Wanna know something weird, I still don't know what gender Vlad's horse is and its been bugging me to no end. (Vsada sounds/looks like a female name, kinda)

[darisus]

Wanna know something weird, I still don't know what gender Vlad's horse is and its been bugging me to no end. (Vsada sounds/looks like a female name, kinda)

Just look under the armor... its the easiest way to find out.... My 2 year old sometimes tries that with women in skirts...!

[Plokoon]

Wanna know something weird, I still don't know what gender Vlad's horse is and its been bugging me to no end. (Vsada sounds/looks like a female name, kinda)

I know that Fenris' horse is male (noticed that a while back and it took me by surprise because I've never seen horse genitalia on a miniature before). I would suggest you take a peak at Vsada's mini.

As far as Colassals goes, I'm thinking we'll see Gaspy vs the world pretty soon. He isn't making many friends and we know his allegiance isn't to Toruk but himself.

I've been enjoying the Retribution section lately though. For the past two books Goreshade has kicked elven warcaster ***. Disappointing that reinforcements seem to show up last second and he's all "I'll get you next time, Gadget, next time!"

...I hope he kills your gods