More War Room info on main website.

[Trygle]

http://privateerpress.com/community/...ider-7-16-2012

Apparently the app was drawn from the inspiration of the iPad. All these feels man.

[PG_strangedane]

Got so exited when I saw it - hoped it meant that it was released now, but sadly no

[Alienated One]

From the Website:

"It has been a long and arduous road, but I can say that the journey to War Room was well worth it."

Was? Its not out yet, Will.

[HeadHunter]

Just because you don't have it yet doesn't mean it isn't finished. It's up to the hosting services now.

[PG_General Nemo]

What a tease that Will is.

[WarpedWolf]

So War Room was inspired by Will Schick getting iPad? No wonder we're waiting for the apple geeks.

And it doesn't count as 'has been' for the rest of us until we have it in hand.

[Facilier]

Just because you don't have it yet doesn't mean it isn't finished. It's up to the hosting services now.

It's finished when it's available to the players. For all we know Apple may reject it in its current form, and Tinkerhouse have to then go back and put it together in a manner more pleasing to the iGods.

I think the timing of, and the tense used in, the article is rather poor form with players looking forward to the app.

[PG_Tionas]

I very rarely come out negative, I like the products and the people, but trying to sell me the ability to make any list I want as the positive side to having no list construction rules is not holding any water with me. I DESIRE list construction rules. With over a hundred casters, four hundered + theme list tiers and thats not counting casters with second tier lists (or third, I am sure, one day) Merc contracts, Minion pacts, and other twists and turns, not having theme list support is a glaring flaw. I don't want the ability to build a list outside the confines of the rules. Its much, much less important than building lists that are correct within the rules. How many tournaments do I go to that have Whose The Boss? vs how many standard, three list tournaments I go to. Sorry guys, I don't buy it.

[Sharp-kun]

Maybe they posted it as they're almost ready to push the button.....

/hope

[Blackraine]

From the Website:

"It has been a long and arduous road, but I can say that the journey to War Room was well worth it."

Was? Its not out yet, Will.

Exactly! This isn't The Terminator... there is no past-future tense!

[rjin9673]

I don't think it's poor timing when you look at this statement in the article

"With War Room soon to release into our great community's eager hands"

It just means the article was posted at this time and for him the trip is over because it went Gold and they are essentially done with it until further software updates.

[J. Beatnik]

I like it. It's good to see some of the background info about what goes on at PP, and learn more about the company that makes my favorite game.

[Lawso42]

And nerd rage in 3... 2... 1...

Lawso

[Puchembo]

Did a little looking around. Seems like the "average" turn around for approval is 10 days (including weekends) for both Amazon and the iTMS. However if there is a rejection for any reason the clock resets once the adjustment is made.

Once the app is approved it takes up to 6hr for the apps to show (per dev chatter on StackOverflow forums). Probably depends on indexing and region criteria, but I am guessing.

So barring no rejections the app should be available in the next day or so. Or it has already been approved and we are waiting on the app indexes in the respective stores to update.

[Lich_Lord_X]

It's finished when it's available to the players. For all we know Apple may reject it in its current form, and Tinkerhouse have to then go back and put it together in a manner more pleasing to the iGods.

So War Room was inspired by Will Schick getting iPad? No wonder we're waiting for the apple geeks.

Blame Apple all you want but according to Tinkerhouse Amazon has yet to accept it either.

[Grimm]

I don't want the ability to build a list outside the confines of the rules. Its much, much less important than building lists that are correct within the rules.

I completely agree with this viewpont. Delivered as is, the product seems unfinished.

[PG_Vezinas Ghost]

I don't want the ability to build a list outside the confines of the rules. Its much, much less important than building lists that are correct within the rules.

Completely agree, seems much more like a flaw than a feature.

[Blaque]

I very rarely come out negative, I like the products and the people, but trying to sell me the ability to make any list I want as the positive side to having no list construction rules is not holding any water with me. I DESIRE list construction rules. With over a hundred casters, four hundered + theme list tiers and thats not counting casters with second tier lists (or third, I am sure, one day) Merc contracts, Minion pacts, and other twists and turns, not having theme list support is a glaring flaw. I don't want the ability to build a list outside the confines of the rules. Its much, much less important than building lists that are correct within the rules. How many tournaments do I go to that have Whose The Boss? vs how many standard, three list tournaments I go to. It just seems to be a ploy to try and shine good light on a turd. Sorry guys, I don't buy it.

This is my feeling as well, actually.

I would rather have the "loose and easy" list thing be something you have to check-off in settings somewhere. What I want in list construction is something to show me I'm right or what I need to do better. I said before, and still think that selling War Room on its list construction abilities is a bit of a red herring. It has plenty of other good to it in cards, damage tracking, rules reference, clock, and game manager. List construction on the app as we have seen advertised and as we have seen justified has been pretty much bare bones as it gets, and something I'm still very meh about compared to what was available prior.

And stuff.

[Lich_Lord_X]

I very rarely come out negative, I like the products and the people, but trying to sell me the ability to make any list I want as the positive side to having no list construction rules is not holding any water with me. I DESIRE list construction rules. With over a hundred casters, four hundered + theme list tiers and thats not counting casters with second tier lists (or third, I am sure, one day) Merc contracts, Minion pacts, and other twists and turns, not having theme list support is a glaring flaw. I don't want the ability to build a list outside the confines of the rules. Its much, much less important than building lists that are correct within the rules. How many tournaments do I go to that have Whose The Boss? vs how many standard, three list tournaments I go to. It just seems to be a ploy to try and shine good light on a turd. Sorry guys, I don't buy it.

Why would it matter though? We all know how to build a list. I know I can't have 7 deathjacks in a list. My merc buddy can also tell the difference between a rhulic caster and a non rhulic caster.

[rpavers]

Completely agree, seems much more like a flaw than a feature.

So probably the best feature of ibodger they leave out. Way to sink that boat PP.

[Methoderik]

So are upkeeps and continuous effects going to be trackable as well? Will it show the adjusted stat? Focus allocation?

This is going to be so cool.

[Cheesy Flip Flips]

Welp. This is totally going to ruin my afternoon. Now I'm just going to sit here with a finger on the refresh button, hoping it launches today!

[KhisanthMagus]

Did a little looking around. Seems like the "average" turn around for approval is 10 days (including weekends) for both Amazon and the iTMS. However if there is a rejection for any reason the clock resets once the adjustment is made.

Once the app is approved it takes up to 6hr for the apps to show (per dev chatter on StackOverflow forums). Probably depends on indexing and region criteria, but I am guessing.

So barring no rejections the app should be available in the next day or so. Or it has already been approved and we are waiting on the app indexes in the respective stores to update.

Actually, according to TH's facebook post around midnight, they submitted it "last week", which means it was most likely NOT submitted on the previous Friday as was believed

[PG_strangedane]

I very rarely come out negative, I like the products and the people, but trying to sell me the ability to make any list I want as the positive side to having no list construction rules is not holding any water with me. I DESIRE list construction rules. With over a hundred casters, four hundered + theme list tiers and thats not counting casters with second tier lists (or third, I am sure, one day) Merc contracts, Minion pacts, and other twists and turns, not having theme list support is a glaring flaw. I don't want the ability to build a list outside the confines of the rules. Its much, much less important than building lists that are correct within the rules. How many tournaments do I go to that have Whose The Boss? vs how many standard, three list tournaments I go to. Sorry guys, I don't buy it.

DISCLAIMER: English is not my main langauge so I might be completly mistaken - but from what I read, you are annoyed that War Room doesn't support theme forces in your opinion?

IF that is correct, I belive you are wrong, from the pictures (2 and 4) here http://privateerpress.com/war-room-has-gone-gold seems to me to indicate that you can turn theme force on and off when making a list?

[PG_UndeadDan]

Why don't we all just wait until the app is out to argue about whether it has the features we want implemented how we want them.

[Tallyrand]

Why would it matter though? We all know how to build a list. I know I can't have 7 deathjacks in a list. My merc buddy can also tell the difference between a rhulic caster and a non rhulic caster.

But does every opponent you sit down with know what you need in your theme list to include UAs, or that your list is legally 3 points over because heavies are reduced by one?

[PG_malfred]

But does every opponent you sit down with know what you need in your theme list to include UAs, or that your list is legally 3 points over because heavies are reduced by one?

That's why you still need your books.

Even when you play in tournaments you're supposed to list models at full
cost and then show a discount afterwards because you score points
destroyed at full cost.

[PG_Tionas]

Don't get me wrong, I'm REALLY looking forward to the app. The lack of Theme list support just strikes me poorly.

[PG_Cloud-Gatherer]

Why don't we all just wait until the app is out to argue about whether it has the features we want implemented how we want them.

That's crazy-talk, Dan. This is the internet! We do things a certain way around here, and we don't take kindly to people messin' with that way.

Don't get me wrong, I'm REALLY looking forward to the app. The lack of Theme list support just strikes me poorly.

The thing is, we know from screen shots that there is some kind of theme force support. We don't know how it was implemented, but there is something there. Until we know exactly what the app can do, how does any part of what it does strike you at all?

How can people possibly be passing final judgment on the functionality of a program that NONE OF US have even seen yet? It's mind-boggling.

[PG_strangedane]

So are upkeeps and continuous effects going to be trackable as well? Will it show the adjusted stat? Focus allocation?

This is going to be so cool.

http://privateerpress.com/videos/war-room

Shows around 1.50 that you can apply damage and contionus effects at least. HOWEVER if you can still do that in the new UI I do not know (would be strange if they had removed it though)

[DemonCalibre]

The lack of universal list validation makes sense of it you think about it this way.

They do not want to have to constantly update the list validation per tier list. Wendel did a ton of work making sure iBodger was up to date, but if I am a big company, perhaps i don't want to dedicate that much time/money to having to constantly update the list validation process for each weird tier list I put out.

So the quick nearly universal fix to that, is to simply let you break the rules as far as list composition go so that you can build the Tier list, without having to update.

Please keep in mind I am not supporting this system, or even like it, I was just thinking about why they would do it this way.

[Lighten]

And just to make the note, at least on the previous build (and I'm sure it's still there in the current if they haven't done something to improve it), all theme forces are on cards in the app. So you don't actually need any books, your opponent just needs to look at the theme force card that's part of your army if he wants to see if you've got a 1 pt discount on heavy jacks.

Not as simple as iBodger, but it seems easy enough to use.

[PG_strangedane]

If the program tells me "yes you can add another of these models, but you should know it would break the FA!" I see it as list validation?

[Lighten]

If the program tells me "yes you can add another of these models, but you should know it would break the FA!" I see it as list validation?

I think the question is whether it'll let you add Tharn Ravagers if you've selected pBaldur's tier list. You may (or may not) have to flip over to the tier list card periodically to make sure you're including allowed models.

[PG_strangedane]

I choose to give them the benefit of doubt - I cannot see why they would NOT program it so that you could not add anything "illegal" to a list. And EVEN if you can add things not allowed, I read their description as the program will at the very least show quite clearly that model X is not allowed, so that me, a TO and the opponent can clearly see something is wrong.

I look forward 100% to War Room, I think a few are being too negative, let's give it a chance before we burn it at the stake

[Lighten]

Won't be buying it, it's not as good as iBodger was for what I would use it for and iBodger was free.

Sure. If all you want is iBodger, why spend $15-$60 to make lists that are usually easy enough to make in your head?
It's the people who want the rules, the cards, and/or the ability to read up on opponent's models ingame without borrowing their cards that are going to buy it.

[PG_strangedane]

Sure. If all you want is iBodger, why spend $15-$60 to make lists that are usually easy enough to make in your head?
It's the people who want the rules, the cards, and/or the ability to read up on opponent's models ingame without borrowing their cards that are going to buy it.

THIS! It's a great tool

[Vex]

Don't get me wrong, I'm REALLY looking forward to the app. The lack of Theme list support just strikes me poorly.

Indeed, and then trying to spin the failure into some kind of "feature" is just lame. PP should really know better.

[AJ the Ronin]

The insiders is badly timed. We already know much of the info in it (except that it was an ipad that inspired the app) but comes at a time were we rather see a link to download the darn thing. Had the insiders included or had being followed to the url to download the app we wouldn't complain about it.


Good insider. Bad timing.

[Vex]

The lack of universal list validation makes sense of it you think about it this way.

They do not want to have to constantly update the list validation per tier list. Wendel did a ton of work making sure iBodger was up to date, but if I am a big company, perhaps i don't want to dedicate that much time/money to having to constantly update the list validation process for each weird tier list I put out.

Your logic is backwards. One guy was able to keep every theme force up to date in his spare time for free, but it is too hard and/or expensive for a massive company to do the same? Does not compute.