Gorman?

[PG_Dmark]

Yeah, so, I've been hearing a lot of talk about how awesome Gorman is. People are even saying that he's the best 2-point solo in the entire game, and yet, I fail to see what his value is for Cryx. I would for example much sooner pay 2 points for a Siren or six Scrap Thralls than I would pay 2 for Gorman, so please, enlighten me, and do keep in mind that I am very much a purist, so I do what I can to avoid using Mercenaries.

[Craftwerk]

He is cheap, and inherently stealth. Granted his low range on bombs means he has to play closer to the front, but if you can protect him he is amazing.
Acid Bomb is an auto-corrosion aoe.
Rust adds another arm debuff to jacks, allowing us to crush them further.
Immunity to acid and fire (iirc) is cornercase, but helpful.
Black Oil wins games.

[Cassiaus]

I run him in several lists. But depends on caster. He is most useful as a charge blocker since you can't draw los through his smoke. I put him in my Thrax lists. I use him as a shield for bloat thrall since he's immune corrosion. Short story. Typhon is getting to close. Denny arcs parasite, pops her feat, Gorman gets within three inches and auto hits with black oil. -9 armor. Only took one Scavenger on the charge to rip Typhon apart.
Gorman is situational but he's always doing somthing on the field, big or small, he's paying for himself.

[Cassiaus]

I run him in several lists. But depends on caster. He is most useful as a charge blocker since you can't draw los through his smoke. I put him in my Thrax lists. I use him as a shield for bloat thrall since he's immune corrosion. Short story. Typhon is getting to close. Denny arcs parasite, pops her feat, Gorman gets within three inches and auto hits with black oil. -9 armor. Only took one Scavenger on the charge to rip Typhon apart.
Gorman is situational but he's always doing somthing on the field, big or small, he's paying for himself.

[Scottl1]

I run him in several lists. But depends on caster. He is most useful as a charge blocker since you can't draw los through his smoke. I put him in my Thrax lists. I use him as a shield for bloat thrall since he's immune corrosion. Short story. Typhon is getting to close. Denny arcs parasite, pops her feat, Gorman gets within three inches and auto hits with black oil. -9 armor. Only took one Scavenger on the charge to rip Typhon apart.
Gorman is situational but he's always doing somthing on the field, big or small, he's paying for himself.

How'd you get - 9 arm? Black oil only drops def and mat. Denny's feat and parasite is -5 arm.

[Drzombieface]

As stated above, Black Oil wins games.

His Acid Bombs can clear out small groups of infantry at a time, and Rust Bomb can contribute to the highest damage combos against a warjack in the entire game.

He's a support model that, if used correctly, will rarely do terrible. I use him in nearly every pAsphyxious/Denny list I make. It's hard to go wrong with him.

How'd you get - 9 arm? Black oil only drops def and mat. Denny's feat and parasite is -5 arm.

Probably thought Black Oil gave -4 ARM as well. Which is a pretty huge mistake.

[GreenJello]

Black Oil on a 2 pt model means that the 18-20 pt colossal sitting across from you doesn't do anything this turn.

[Drzombieface]

Black Oil on a 2 pt model means that the 18-20 pt colossal sitting across from you doesn't do anything this turn.

MAT 6 You say? HAH, How about MAT 2. There you go, sir. WHERE'S YOUR P+S 22 FISTS NOW, KHADOR?

[Cassiaus]

Right. My Mistake. Got carried away.

[Scottl1]

MAT 6 You say? HAH, How about MAT 2. There you go, sir. WHERE'S YOUR P+S 22 FISTS NOW, KHADOR?

Arm 19 colossal with rust, dark shroud, crippling grasp and Denny's feat is pretty comical as well.

[PG_Dmark]

I see your arguments, and I agree that Rust and Acid Bomb is pretty neat, but exactly how does Black Oil win games? Blind is awesome, yeah, but you can only apply it to a VERY small area. That's my problem with Gorman. He doesn't affect a very large area of the table, which is something I miss.

[Drzombieface]

I see your arguments, and I agree that Rust and Acid Bomb is pretty neat, but exactly how does Black Oil win games? Blind is awesome, yeah, but you can only apply it to a VERY small area. That's my problem with Gorman. He doesn't affect a very large area of the table, which is something I miss.

Get close enough to the enemy caster for Black Oil to hit them no matter what, -4 DEF for them for your assassination run. GG.

AoE's can only deviate as much as half the distance to your intended target. If you're close enough, it can never miss them.

Arm 19 colossal with rust, dark shroud, crippling grasp and Denny's feat is pretty comical as well.

My current combo with pGaspy and a Kraken is: Parasite, Scything Touch, stray Bane Thrall, Rust Bomb. Factoring in 3 corpse tokens, effective net total of P+S 30.

I do it with pGaspy over Denny because I don't even need to use my feat to do it.

[Scottl1]

The pgaspy deal is all well and good but requires a lot more effort to pull off.

[ZombieWar]

you get to -9 by combining Pdenny's feat 2 > parasite 3 > rust 2 > bane thrall/BLT 2

[Iixil]

black oil plus death chill = total shutdown with models pants down ready for a good spanking.

[Scottl1]

you get to -9 by combining Pdenny's feat 2 > parasite 3 > rust 2 > bane thrall/BLT 2

Cept that wasn't the story. It was scavenger, gorman and denny. Typhon doesn't rust either. :P

[ZombieWar]

the thrall just has to be in the area.... scavengers and bane thralls are not mutually exclusive last i checked though you are right i didnt notice it was typhon.

[Drzombieface]

The pgaspy deal is all well and good but requires a lot more effort to pull off.

Eh, not really.

What's so hard about: Upkeep ST. Cast Parasite. Gorman Rusts. Bane Thrall runs into position. Kraken Charges.?????. Profit.



Though what's really fun, is the Kraken with pDenny. Get 3 Corpse Tokens turn(s) before. Hellblaster is now POW 17. Parasite. POW 20. Feat. POW 22. Black Oil, net DEF - 6. Their caster just exploded from 16" away.

[Scottl1]

Eh, not really.

What's so hard about: Upkeep ST. Cast Parasite. Gorman Rusts. Bane Thrall runs into position. Kraken Charges.?????. Profit.



Though what's really fun, is the Kraken with pDenny. Get 3 Corpse Tokens turn(s) before. Hellblaster is now POW 17. Parasite. POW 20. Feat. POW 22. Black Oil, net DEF - 6. Their caster just exploded from 16" away.

Typically imo getting 5 things to line up like that maybe works once.

[Drzombieface]

Typically imo getting 5 things to line up like that maybe works once.

If you're using it to Full- to- Dead a Colossal in one turn in pGaspy's case, One- Shotting a caster in pDenny's case, it only needs to work once.

[Dragon2439]

Black Oil on a 2 pt model means that the 18-20 pt colossal sitting across from you doesn't do anything this turn.

Add in death chill from a pistol wraith and it really cant do anything

[Obeisance]

Gorman is literally the best 2pts in the game.

14/12 with Stealth and immunity to Corrosion and Fire. Menoth and Legion can't burn him. He's super difficult for Legion to remove.

Cloud cover - He provides Concealment or LOS blocking on demand.
Rust - Stack an extra -2 ARM on jacks.
Poison - This does a straight POW 12, it is not blast damage. It does not halve.
Black Oil - Blind is amazing. It wins games. It takes a heavy, caster or lock out of the game for a turn. If they're close together, you can take out more than one. As it gives -4 DEF, you can also use it as a debuff and murder the target.

The reason Black Oil is so good, is the way the deviation rules work. The closer you are the less distance you can scatter from your target. Close Gorman to within 4" of your target and you cannot miss splashing your target with Black Oil.

Gorman.
Wins.
Games.

[Sanctjud]

Gorman is literally the best 2pts in the game.

14/12 with Stealth and immunity to Corrosion and Fire. Menoth and Legion can't burn him. He's super difficult for Legion to remove.

Cloud cover - He provides Concealment or LOS blocking on demand.
Rust - Stack an extra -2 ARM on jacks.
Poison - This does a straight POW 12, it is not blast damage. It does not halve.
Black Oil - Blind is amazing. It wins games. It takes a heavy, caster or lock out of the game for a turn. If they're close together, you can take out more than one. As it gives -4 DEF, you can also use it as a debuff and murder the target.

The reason Black Oil is so good, is the way the deviation rules work. The closer you are the less distance you can scatter from your target. Close Gorman to within 4" of your target and you cannot miss splashing your target with Black Oil.

Gorman.
Wins.
Games.

That, all of that, Gorman is the biggest middle finger in Warmahordes...

[Drzombieface]

That, all of that, Gorman is the biggest middle finger in Warmahordes...

I guess that's why I like playing him so much.

[GreenJello]

That, all of that, Gorman is the biggest middle finger in Warmahordes...

Actually that was when PP decided Blind was fine against Colossals, but Disruption was broken.....

[Obeisance]

Well, there's what.. two models.. in the game that Blind?

Gorman and eMorgul?

90% of everything in Cygnar disrupts. All you'd be doing is be giving Cygnar a big leg up against other Colossals, on top of the fact they got the best one and didn't need it.

[Sanctjud]

Harbie is immune to blind...so she is OP.
Funny enough Mohsar (that blind old Circle dude) can be blinded!

Think about it in this angle possibly: Cryx is not a 'defensive' faction, we lack even Shield Wall/Shield Guard options in-faction...Gorman bringing in a defensive option (his cloud) is at the very least super awesome.

[sepher32]

When a Colossal is blinded and has a speed debuff on it, it cannot get close enough to stop Gorman from blinding it forever (except Stormwall)

[sepher32]

Well, there's what.. two models.. in the game that Blind?

Gorman and eMorgul?

90% of everything in Cygnar disrupts. All you'd be doing is be giving Cygnar a big leg up against other Colossals, on top of the fact they got the best one and didn't need it.

Mercs got the best one.

[Scottl1]

I would hope then at that point the army would try to help the poor giant robot instead of laughing and pointing while gorman keeps bullying the poor thing.

[sepher32]

They all got killed by Bile Thralls.

Another hilarious scenario. Gorman's blind plus a Siren's shadow bind. Every turn the Target gets blinded the siren walks behind it and stabs it.

You don't get this kind of comedy from other 2 point models.

[Scottl1]

Well guess he's screwed then.

[BENDER]

The OP mentioned that Gorman did not affect large portions of the battlefield. He creates a 12 inch radius of doubt and fear. Your opponents key pieces cannot advance safely knowing they can effectively be removed from the game for at least 1 turn. On the turns where he is not setting up a caster kill he can target your opponents lynch pin units and simply make them a lot easier to deal with. My favourite one was clipping molik karn with the black oil template just as he was about to launch. I had nothing else in the area to stop him next turn and blinded, he had to retreat his star player away from an onbjective.

[GreenJello]

Well, there's what.. two models.. in the game that Blind?

Gorman and eMorgul?

90% of everything in Cygnar disrupts. All you'd be doing is be giving Cygnar a big leg up against other Colossals, on top of the fact they got the best one and didn't need it.

It's closer to 30%, but irrelevant. Only one model is necessary to provide the effect, since you'll usually see 1, but never seen more than 2 Collosals. In this case it's Gorman, a 2 pt model, which is why I'm contrasting him to the 1 point Storm Smith. (Oh, and Gorman works equally well against beasts!) That Gorman is accessible all Warmachine factions except RoS makes it somewhat fairer, though Hordes takes it on the chin.

This is also ignoring the 3 pt Pistol Wraith, and probably few others.

[sliganian]

Q: I run Gorman in some of my Khador lists, my Cryx opponent runs him in some of his Cryx lists. I don't think either one of us have EVER used Rust or Acid bomb.

Is there any situation where Blind is simply not the better choice? I can't really think of one.

[sepher32]

On Colossals you plan to kill this round.

On clumps of infantry you want dead.

Yes?

[sepher32]

Gorman Blinds a Colossal and a PW death chills it.

[sliganian]

On Colossals you plan to kill this round.

On clumps of infantry you want dead.

Yes?

RUST
Unless it is the very last turn would you not rather Blind the Collassal and have other stuff hit it so much easier? Guess I am not seeing the 2 pips of ARM debuff as being more valuable then a -4 DEF (could be my Khador talking as damaging stuff isn't a problem for me while hitting it is).

ACID:
Unless it is a very very specific situation (say, possible control point control and you need to dissolve enemy models off of it??) I am thinking the Blind is still better in almost every case as it a) debuffs DEF making it way easier for others to hit and b) it means those models are doing nothing next turn.

Anyways, just thought it was interesting that neither one of us have had a situation come up where Rust or Acid are a better choice than Blind.

[sepher32]

You're worried about hitting a colossal?

[traeplien]

You're worried about hitting a colossal?

Blind colossal on blind colossal....?