Drag and Initial Attacks.

[sepher32]

Can a model with Drag make it's first initial ranged attack (using Galleon as the example) with the Drag weapon, pull the model in, make the Drag triggered melee attack, then make the remainder of it's initial ranged attacks, then buy additional melee attacks?

Drag ? If this weapon damages an enemy model with an equal or smaller sized base, immediately after the attack is resolved the damaged model can be pushed any distance (i.e. untilb2b) directly toward this model. After the damaged model is moved, this model can make one normal melee attack against the model pushed. After resolving this melee attack, this model can make additional melee attacks during its combat action

I see no reason why not.

[Scottl1]

In most cases I would say no but due to colossal rules saying they can still shoot in melee I would agree with your reasoning as to more shooting. Though wouldn't you forfeit your additional melee attack since the model cannot shoot and attack in the same turn? The additional shooting would disrupt the chain that allows for the melee after the drag.

[sepher32]

Drag says, this model can make additional melee attacks during its combat action. It only says after which to my mind would be any point after making the attack triggered by drag.

[Scottl1]

True but a model who has a gun and a melee attack may at anytime during it activation use either option to attack and in doing so forfeits the other unless it has virtuoso or weapon platform. So by shooting the secondary guns before doing the other melee attacks I would think the drag rule drops since it is the affect of a gun and the gun was resolved. I could be wrong there is a lot of overlay of rules that normally don't apply. I could see your point though.

[sepher32]

You choose initial melee or initial ranged attacks at the beginning of your combat action. That's why the Drag rule has to explicitly state that you can make additional melee attacks. At that point you essentially have virtuouso. Based on the initial choice (ranged) you are allowed to make all initial and additional ranged attacks and the drag rule permits additional melee. I don't believe the order in which they are made is relevant.

[Scottl1]

Well really the question then is "Is the order relevant?" That would be the only factor working against your premise. I follow your logic, the rules as per raw and would agree.

This is a similar question to pthagrosh's feat and the gargantuan since as stated his feat does not currently affect the archangel or eskarre's feat which was tweaked when 120 mm bases came into affect. When rules were written they didn't seem to have the new ones in their mind yet.

So for now I really don't have much more to add so I'll see if an official ruling is made.

[sepher32]

Agreed, 10 thingies.

[vintersbastard]

Since Drag tells you that you make the free melee attack immediately, you do it immediatly. You then continue with your initial attacks (as you haven't finished those yet), and only then are you allowed to make additional attacks (be they ranged or melee).

[poeticruse]

Since Drag tells you that you make the free melee attack immediately, you do it immediatly. You then continue with your initial attacks (as you haven't finished those yet), and only then are you allowed to make additional attacks (be they ranged or melee).

Vintersbastard's answer here is correct.

[Smedley]

Small additional question (hope this isn't too bad a necro, but with all the info here I figured it was as good a place as any) - it says that the free melee attack after the drag has to be against the model pushed, but then it just says the Galleon can make additional melee attacks during it's activation. Can those attacks be against anyone in the Galleon's melee range or do they also have to be against the model pushed?

[Valander]

All necros are bad, mmmkay?

That said, the additional melee attacks made after the one granted from the drag can target any legal target; they don't have the restriction that the granted one does.