Sucks-A-Bunch

[wazatdingder]

I was sooo excited about the Succubus model until I have actually got it onto the table. Now I have issues:

1. ZERO offensive ability... I know yow shouldn't need it and would not use it if it were there, but it is nice to have the option.
2. ZERO defensive ability... She looks fairly Serpintine. Parry would be nice. Oh, and this one deserves it's own number...
3. NOT FEARLESS!?!... "Your ugliers than Absylonia, but you don't do much front line work. Let's have you hang in the rear with the forsaken and... Waitaminute... Stop crying... It will be ok..." ***. This HAS to be an error. Please, please, please errata.


Don't get me wrong. This is a very valuable model to our force. It just feels like someone was asleep on the design team. I feel that as is the model is not quite on par to be a 2pt model, but still more than a 1pt model. Addressing one of these issues should make things right in the world.

-end rant

[alchahest]

I think you're underestimating the free animus and upkeep on most of our warlocks.

[Osotogari4u2]

Yeah, but pull it back your thinking a bit.

Consider this: you basically can now add 3 fury to any caster. 1 free animi (1 - possibly 2 fury). I am thinking first turn slipstream, or even spiny growth. Plus you get free upkeep. realistically it should be in the rear with the gear, so you're probably casting Tenasity as its command is only 6.

But be honest, if you are counting on support pieces as part of your assassination plan... you might want to re think your theory-machine. Granted my shephard has killed Megalith (Dictionary: see Corner Case)

My biggest complaint is that mine was a REALLY BAD cast job. I ended up cutting off the torso and splicing on a different model.

[wazatdingder]

I am not at all underestimating the powers it has so far. They are awesome. And takes quite the imagination to get out of the OP that she has the slightest role in mt assassination game. But even the smallest support piece find a need to TRY to kick a little butt every now and then. Heck, I had swap gobbers charge a Defender with one wound left the other day (with no success I may add).

The first 2 are minor gripes, but I 100% get behind the argument that she should have fearless.

[Lanz]

I don't mind the first two points, and as a Menite, I'm perfectly adjusted to having chunks of my army providing no direct offensive or defensive role.

The not-fearlesss does indeed hurt, however, and doesn't make much sense. You have to play around it, same as with a Shepherd.

[CaptBooyah]

Succubus failing fear checks, I feel bad for you son cause I got 99 problems and sticking her anywhere near my forsaken ain't one.

[Xnath]

Guess she is not meant to be used with Abby (not that she needs the succubus with her free upkeeps) or eThags? Unlike the shepard who can stay away from Abom models, this one has to be 6 inches from the caster.

They fixed the Throne, hope they do the same for Succubus.

[alchahest]

I don't think the succubus is broken just because she requires finesse with two of our warlocks.

[Earthcrosser599]

I don't really see myself using her with Abby at all; I sometimes struggle to find ways to use her fury besides spamming tenacity on random things. eThagrosh...maybe? An extreme maybe?

I'm seeing the Succubus with Kallus and pVayl the most, neither of whom cause problems.

[Custardboy]

The succubus doesn't need fearless.... I've used her with eThags, it really is not hard to stay between 3" and 6" away.
Also, it is a friggin' fantastic warlock attachment.

[thewisp]

not to mention ethags command is 10

[Neutralyze]

i think people are underestimating how close the model has to be to do all of this. 6" isnt far and as models move up, youll begin to have to advance the succubus up to make sure you can cast an animus. if that doesnt happen youll be using her stricly for upkeeping a free spell

[Xnath]

Its all based on succubus command.
The warlock has to be with in the succubus command range of 6 during control to upkeep a spell. As well as any beast has to be in her command to cast its animus. Nice little act there of moving her to manage both. Any time she gets within 3" of Abomination model while trying to get in range to do one or the other it's a command check.

Fluff wise and game wise it makes sense that the succumbs should be fearless. Oh well.

[moob]

I am thinking first turn slipstream, or even spiny growth.

spiny growth yes, slipstream no (it's self only).

Command 6 is a big problem for the model. Needs to stay close to the warlock, and also be close to beasts to cast animi... ends up requiring them to get in positions that are not too tough to kill. Would be much happier if it was more like Sylyss and command 9. When I've used it, I typically find it sitting back and putting tenacity on my warlock and hoping the lock doesn't move too far away during its activation to lose the free upkeep.

[moob]

*edit* bah, double post.

[mo0g]

Not having fearless is annoying, especially as she is great for Thagrosh, but it's very workable. It gets more tricky when you've got a couple of Forsaken wondering around at the back as well though.

[Lanz]

I proxied her a bunch with eThagrosh, and never really had a problem. The few times I risked a command check by either accident or necessity, I passed with his Command 10.

Personally, forsaken are more an issue than casters, but we've been dealing with that on shepherds for long enough now that it's not much of an issue.

Like neutralyze mentioned, I think her short operating range is more detrimental than her lack of fearlessness. Having to stick within 6" of the Carnivean/shredder/etc becomes a bigger problem than failing command checks.

[CaptBooyah]

Given the overall theme of Legion, personally I would expect the entire army to be fearless.. or at least not scared of its own. The shepherd I can't even begin to understand because here's this gal who spends her time around soulless monstrosities that are born from blood and as soon as something comes along and says 'boo!' she gets scared.

[Drakie]

Given the overall theme of Legion, personally I would expect the entire army to be fearless.. or at least not scared of its own. The shepherd I can't even begin to understand because here's this gal who spends her time around soulless monstrosities that are born from blood and as soon as something comes along and says 'boo!' she gets scared.

idd, *** is a shephard afraid of while she's poking our beasts to manage their fury :P ?

anyway, added succubus to Rhyas, that 1 extra fury I can sit on is AWESOME! and free tenacity on her every turn, don't have to think about where I leave my shredder much other then max 12" away from Rhyas (so I can put the succubus in between them
finishing off with a free massacre, again a lot more freedom with the placement and fury use of the soldier!

[DrakkenBlut]

I think Succy will just be a matter of practice.

What I do not understand is why the sucky ARM... I mean its in a more resilient shape, with planned blight growths, unlike a Forsaken which is haphazard, and it has a blight helmet, and on top of that some leather armor, so why not ARM 14?

[Admiral_Arzar]

I think Succy will just be a matter of practice.

What I do not understand is why the sucky ARM... I mean its in a more resilient shape, with planned blight growths, unlike a Forsaken which is haphazard, and it has a blight helmet, and on top of that some leather armor, so why not ARM 14?

So it can die to blast damage?

[hodni_sania]

Have only used my succubus with elylyth and its usually just giving ravagore his own animus and upkeeping shadowpack.

[Defenstrator]

I'm still surprised by the lack of fearless. It's not unprecedented with the Squire being a construct, and with not one but two Abomination warcasters you'd think it kind of a no brainer.

[ArtificialDecaySynthesis]

Ah, yes this should be stickied for all those people that need haterade for legion.