Possible Terminus list. Thoughts?

[Grimz]

So going by what I have in my bag and only needing to buy Terminus himself, what would you guys think of this list?
Would it be something to take to a SR considering about half of my possible opponents play Hordes and the other Warmachine.

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cryx
Casters: 1/1
Points: 35/35
Lich Lord Terminus (*4pts)
* Stalker (4pts)
* Nightmare (10pts)
Bane Knights (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
Bane Thralls (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
Bane Thralls (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
Bane Lord Tartarus (4pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)

Thought beeing ravager on Nightmare with his reach to get a good swing in on units. Banes as charge blockers and freestrikers in case of trample and sac pawn obviously. Siren is there to run around the opposition and possibly shadow bind some heavy hitter. Tartarus to well do what he does best

Thoughts?

*Edit: To avoid double post

Thought of another list while I was typing the first post.

Points: 35/35
Lich Lord Terminus (*4pts)
* Stalker (4pts)
* Erebus (8pts)
Bane Knights (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
Bane Thralls (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
Bane Thralls (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
Bane Lord Tartarus (4pts)
Necrotech & 1 Scrap Thrall (1pts)
Pistol Wraith (3pts)

would this one be more competitive?

[Lamoron]

Well... it really needs his support squad (WSC + Darragh Wrathe + Madelyn), and both lists need the Bane Thrall UA to avoid some really bad match-ups, but if you're set on one of them the first one is by far the best option.

[Sinsect]

I'm also a long time player of Terminus, utilising lists somewhat similar to you, Lamoron, though I've a penchant for reapers as heavy support. One thing that I've always avoided is the Bane Thrall UA, though, as I feel as I'm paying for tough twice in that case, and the list is already chock-full of support models. What match-ups are you refering to (I'm guessing pKreoss and Barnabas, but there has to be more to merit 3p)?

[Sanctjud]

Auto-get up makes up for the down sides for Tough the turn after.
It also has utility vs. Stationary.

In addition, you have a wider net to their Command Range to spread out, then the Better statline/attack.
Also, there are times where you just can't have everyone in Terminus's Command Range...so a unit that is self-sufficient that can operate away from the main buff aura is very useful.

[Grimz]

Hmmm. Good points on the UA, so here's another list that includes it into the first list.

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cryx
Casters: 1/1
Points: 35/35
Lich Lord Terminus (*4pts)
* Nightmare (10pts)
Bane Knights (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
Bane Thralls (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Bane Thrall Officer & Standard (3pts)
Bane Thralls (Leader and 5 Grunts) (5pts)
Bane Lord Tartarus (4pts)
Necrotech & 1 Scrap Thrall (1pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)

Or should I drop the siren and necrotech for a pistol wraith?

[drachenfels]

honestly i think its still to many points on the expensive stuff...

drop nightmare for erebus (overtake+berzerk=lulz), -2pts
drop the necrotech -1pt
drop the min banes -5pts
drop the knights -6pts

opens up 14pts to work with now.

10pts goes towards the terminus bodyguard of 10mechanithralls+3brutes+surgeon and stitches, leaving 4 left over. that gives 2 options. either Daragh Wrathe, or Gorman and Corbeau. both are good options, i would probably go goreman and corbeau tho.

and still leaves the full unit of banes and Tart to be a flanking force and main damage dealers.

[Gamingdevil]

10pts goes towards the terminus bodyguard of 10mechanithralls+3brutes+surgeon and stitches, leaving 4 left over. that gives 2 options. either Daragh Wrathe, or Gorman and Corbeau. both are good options, i would probably go goreman and corbeau tho.

Or only take 1 Brute and take Darragh and Corbeau.

At the very least: Bane Knights are max or nothing, so you should probably drop the min Thralls to max the Knights, then drop the Necrotech and use the leftover points to add Corbeau.

[Lamoron]

I don't feel he needs Mechanithralls... well actually I feel they weaken the list to be honest. You really don't want to go without the WSC because Terminus will be unable to camp, less likely to succeed on assassinations, and very vulnerable to certain debuff casters. I won't go as far as to say it's impossible to play Terminus without them but it's close.

[Collegeguy5]

This is what i ran last night and it worked out really well, test if you like it.

Terminus-4
Stalker-free
Banethralls+ua-11
Tarterus-4
Mechanithralls-5
Sergeon-2
madalyn-2
daraghe wraith-4
WSC-5
wws-2

extra movement from madalyn, and wraith makes terminus 4 inches closer to enemy caster and then boom asasination!

[Grimz]

It amuses me how every time I ask for oppinions on a list I've made, people allways suggest i take models i don't own
I don't have mc thralls, I don't use mercs and so on and so forth

But by using the models I do have and only needing to buy Terminus himself, I've decided on a list like this:

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cryx
Casters: 1/1
Points: 35/35
Lich Lord Terminus (*4pts)
* Erebus (8pts)
Bane Knights (Leader and 5 Grunts) (6pts)
Bane Thralls (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Bane Thrall Officer & Standard (3pts)
The Withershadow Combine (5pts)
Bane Lord Tartarus (4pts)
Pistol Wraith (3pts)
Warwitch Siren (2pts)

I can let you know how it playes once I've saved up enough money to buy Terminus

[Lamoron]

That list will do fine

I think I'd switch the PW for a Skarlock though (or actually I'd switch out the Bane Knights for Skarlock + Darragh Wrathe, and if you don't own Darragh Wrathe then you know what your next purchase is because that guy rocks), as having the ability to cast Ravager without getting Terminus killed is worth a whole lot more than I initially thought.

[Collegeguy5]

what are some tactics on the darragh wrathe? because i used him in like 3 games and didnt do much with him but move guys up 1 inch a turn?

[Lamoron]

One of my first and shortest spotlights was on him: Here. I've marked it as "incomplete" but you could still get something from it.

[drachenfels]

what are some tactics on the darragh wrathe? because i used him in like 3 games and didnt do much with him but move guys up 1 inch a turn?

you want more than 3+" of move for the entire army through the game for 4 pts?? that's what he is there for... he adjusts charge lanes out of activation (to turn if necessary), gives terminus more range on the strike turn, moves bile thralls forward to purge (btw biles should be in this list somewhere too) and when yer all gummed up in there he charges in, ruins some random grunt, puts up beyond death, then fast caves away from the front.

also people recommended things you dont own because you didnt post your entire collection, and if your just using "what i have available" critiquing you list is useless anyways since you wouldnt be able to add what people suggest.

[Grimz]

Ah yes drachenfels you are quite correct I shall rectify my oversight at once:

Models I own:
Helljacks:
Seether
Leviathan
Harrower
Reaper
Malice (in the making from the classic reaper)
Nightmare
Erebus
Deathjack

Bonejacks:
Scavenger
Stalker x2
Ripjaw x2

Units:
Banethralls Full x2
Banethrall UA x2
Baneknights min
Raiders min
Raider UA
Blood withces Full
Blood witch UA
Withershadow combine

Solos:
Raider captain
Warwitch siren
Pistol wraith
Necrotech
Scrapthralls x4 plus 3 more in blister
BLT

[Collegeguy5]

terminus +4
Seether-5
Banethralls+ua-11
Banethralls-8
Blt-4
WSC-5
WWS-2
35

[drachenfels]

terminus +4
Seether-5
Banethralls+ua-11
Banethralls-8
Blt-4
WSC-5
WWS-2
35

warwitch is useless here, seether generates his wn focus meaning you cant powerboost it. Malice is the better option since you can powerboost, boost to hit, boost damage witht he soul if needed, (or only take a single ranged boost, then spend the soul to walk the jack) then have the combine finish it.

also double banes isnt needed. with what is avaliable i would go for an "anti hordes" list with...

System: Warmachine
Faction: Cryx
Casters: 1/1
Points: 35/35
Lich Lord Terminus (*4pts)
* Erebus (8pts)
* Skarlock Thrall (2pts)
Bane Thralls (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
* Bane Thrall Officer & Standard (3pts)
Satyxis Blood Witches (Leader and 9 Grunts) (6pts)
* Satyxis Blood Hag (2pts)
The Withershadow Combine (5pts)
Bane Lord Tartarus (4pts)
Necrotech & 1 Scrap Thrall (1pts)

now here you have some good interesting stuff going on....

skarlock is there as a ravager slave
combine for free malidiction upkeep (and magic)
Erebus gets slaved ravager and walks through units that have no chance for survival due to entropic aura
bloodwitches hit stuff allot and make clouds for terminus to hide behind (killing them self if critical) with blood shadow being a GODLY ability in some matchups
and banes to go hit heavies, and cripple aspects that cant be healed because of entropic.

important things - keep tartarus SAFE - he does not need to attack things, in the long run his curse is WAY more important than a single thresher then getting killed.
keep the Hag SAFE - her aura will win games
keep tremulious and admonia safe - malivous is semi useless, but their abilities are GOLD
after you put ravager on something, puppet master it - because god hates cryx and you WILL roll snake eyes for the first attack roll.
dont worry about protecting the bane banner as much, the officer is WAY more important here