Much Maligned Proteus "Pillowfists" vs Storm "Arcane Shield" Wall

[Cannotcope]

Battle of the Century:
Much Maligned Proteus "Pillowfists" vs Storm "Arcane Shield" Wall

Round 1) Fight!

-pLylyth shoots Stormwall, doesn't bother rolling for damage, casts Parasite for -3 ARM on Stormwall (ARM 16, or ARM 19 with Arcane Sheild), the shot also applies Blood Lure (free charges)

-Naga casts Wraithbane on Proteus for Blessed (ignores Arcane Shield)

-Proteus charges for free and makes 7 attacks at straight damage (POW 16 vs ARM 16) and 1 attack at dice -2 (POW 14 vs ARM 16), with one of those attacks boosted (free charge from Blood Lure). On average dice for damage (yes, assuming all attacks hit, pLylyth's feat can practically remove that issue), Proteus overkills by 1, Stormwall KO'd.

(boosted dice minus 2 => 8, 7 straight damage = 49, total 57...)


"One rounded by Proteus "Pillowfists", how does that make you feel Mr. Wall?"
"This is my career. I have children to raise. I have to retaliate. He butted me. Look at me. My kids will be scared of me." (Tyson after taking on more than he can chew)

Seriously though, yes just using "average" dice is not the best statistical method, but it's close enough for government work and you can always throw a few points of damage on from somewhere else (like the Naga's gun, Lylyth's bow, etc...)

Just for fun, not really a serious post.

[Neutralyze]

With ever buff under the sun I'm sure swamp gobbets could charge and do damage to it. Doesn't mean it's good

[Caldera02]

A scythean is still 1 power higher in this scenario and will do more damage.

[Cannotcope]

With ever buff under the sun I'm sure swamp gobbets could charge and do damage to it. Doesn't mean it's good

Certainly wasn't arguing that. However, one buff, one debuff, plus a free charge is very much not "every buff under the sun". It's more the humor of seeing Proteus one round Stormwall with rather minimal buffing/debuffing. Not good, just funny.

A scythean is still 1 power higher in this scenario and will do more damage.

Scythean in the same scenario (assuming all hits again) does 59.5 pts of damage (only 2.5 more than Proteus). This is primarily due to having less attacks than Pillowfist.

Scythean does 7 attacks at dice +1 (17 vs 16) with one boosted from the free charge:
6 x 8 + 1 x 11.5 = 59.5

Both one round Stormwall. One scenario is decidedly funnier.

[Neutralyze]

One is two PTs less too.....

[Northern Ronin]

Battle of the Century:
Much Maligned Proteus "Pillowfists" vs Storm "Arcane Shield" Wall

Round 1) Fight!

-pLylyth shoots Stormwall, doesn't bother rolling for damage, casts Parasite for -3 ARM on Stormwall (ARM 16, or ARM 19 with Arcane Sheild), the shot also applies Blood Lure (free charges)

-Naga casts Wraithbane on Proteus for Blessed (ignores Arcane Shield)

-Proteus charges for free and makes 7 attacks at straight damage (POW 16 vs ARM 16) and 1 attack at dice -2 (POW 14 vs ARM 16), with one of those attacks boosted (free charge from Blood Lure). On average dice for damage (yes, assuming all attacks hit, pLylyth's feat can practically remove that issue), Proteus overkills by 1, Stormwall KO'd.

(boosted dice minus 2 => 8, 7 straight damage = 49, total 57...)


"One rounded by Proteus "Pillowfists", how does that make you feel Mr. Wall?"
"This is my career. I have children to raise. I have to retaliate. He butted me. Look at me. My kids will be scared of me." (Tyson after taking on more than he can chew)

Seriously though, yes just using "average" dice is not the best statistical method, but it's close enough for government work and you can always throw a few points of damage on from somewhere else (like the Naga's gun, Lylyth's bow, etc...)

Just for fun, not really a serious post.

Still rather be a carni. Less damage from getting shot twice on the way in.

[Cannotcope]

One is two PTs less too.....

Also has reach on all attacks. The Scythean is definitely the better choice.

Just noting that Proteus also gets the job done and gives you the benefit of mercilessly teasing your opponent after the kill.

[TerTer]

With ever buff under the sun I'm sure swamp gobbets could charge and do damage to it. Doesn't mean it's good

Agree with this.

Let's take squishiest caster in game (probably is pNemo). Take SW with Arcane shield. OK, assuming pNemo takes 1foc from squire. Has 8 foc.
Apply eEiryss to SW so back to normal armor. Apply Aiyanna +2dmg, apply Ragman -2 arm, apply Gorman -2arm. So we get arm15, against pow14. Free charge for caster, assuming all hit, so thats 9 attacks, 8 at dice-1, 1 boosted dice-1. So thats 48+9 = 57 He could do that too with right circumstances.

Still Scythean would be better for this job.
Think most collosals/gargantuas will go down in 1 turn if you make the effort for it

[regleant]

But Pillowfist has a 12" threat range, 1" more than the Scythean. He's also a great toolbox with Drag. And with pVayl, can keep her safe by dragging away those trying to charge her. Also a fun animus.

I'm not saying he's great, but I've enjoyed him in my pVayl list quite a bit.

My biggest complaint is why they gave a model with Drag a head that stretches 2" over the base. As much as the Swamp Horror is mocked for being so small, they have the right idea.

[alchahest]

proteus won't be dragging stormwall, so he's got a shorter range, if you want to be hitting with the fists.