16 pt Feora2

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I had
Feora2
Vanquisher
Redeemer(bonded)

Min choir

Eiryss

Vs

Butcher
Destroyer
Juggernaut

min Man O War shocktroopers

So how can I win with this list? Is it possible? My style of fire vs my friends high armour and heavy melee makes it in his advantage. What can I do? I want to keep my style long term but it makes me really mad that I lose all the time to that kind of list. How do I balance what I like playing vs being able to beat that army style. Orrrr do I suck it up and beat other stuff?

[UmbrellaCorp487]

You need a jack that is a heavier hitter in my opinion, swap the vanquisher for a templar so you can hold your ground. As you have learned fire vs high armor is just a wash.

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I'm assuming pButcher?
Which Eiryss are you using?
What are your victory conditions - straight caster kill, or do you win if you kill everything but the caster?

My first thoughts would be that you can use the Redeemer to set everything on fire early, it won't outright kill anything, but it might do the odd point of handy damage - against MoW it's still averaging two damage a round. Note that MoW who are not in Base2base contact don't retain the shieldwall bonus (in turn) and the order disappears at the start of your opponents next turn - before the fire does it's damage. And having everything on fire sets up your feat.

After that you have higher Speed vs higher damage output (with no speed or movement buffs). So focus-fire on what you need to (use Eiryss to finish things of with sniper/deathbolt or knock out focus). And when it comes down to it, you can sacrifice the Redeemer to running interference.

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[Often]

At this points level, and with your opponents list, you're really wasting 6 points on the bonded reedemer. You'd be much better served with a Templar and another heavy (say a Crusader, Avatar, Reckoner, really, most any of them except maybe the Vanquisher). At this points level, Feora's feat is sort of a trap, and if you're playing against high ARM khador, fire isn't going to do much at all. Though an effective speed 6 crusader with choir buff = lots more damage for the same amount of points.

You could even go something like this (and still get a tarpit unit, which is something that could easily tie up the Man O'War duders):
eFeora
Crusader
Templar
Choir (min)
Zealots (Min)
Zealot UA


Or, even:

eFeora
Recokner
Templar
Min Choir
Min Temple Flame Guard

Temple Flame Guard could gum up the works, and with shield-wall could have more bodies than his troopers. You'd still have to watch out for his feat, and yours wouldn't net you much (though that's because there really aren't that many enemy models on the table in the first place).

[loramer]

eFeora vs. pbutcher is a rough matchup.
Small games for eFeora are bad for her feat.
Until you get up to at least the 25 pt level, I would simply ignore her feat. It will be good for a couple extra focus on 1 turn, but other than that it is a more or less useless feat in this sized game.
Fire is nice, but fire is generally only good against infantry and casters, jacks and beast can ignore fire, (and some casters can nearly ignore fire). So planning on fire killing at this point level can be a big trap.

Personally, I would drop out the vanquisher and the redeemer at this point level and put in a crusader and reckoner or reckoner and TFG (full). TFG full and reckoner would probably be my choice. TFG with combined melee and ignite can take down the MoW without a problem (If they are in a line, make sure to take out the middle one first to get rid of shield wall). Switch ignite over to the reckoner with choir buff and he can wreck a khodor heavy in 1 turn most times, or at least make it fairly useless.
Another option would be the castigator and TFG (full). Castigator will wreck his heavies no problem, but you lose out on the ranged shots from reckoner. 3 focus on a castigator with choir buff and ignite = an average of 35 damage against arm 20. Plus you have the option of a 2 handed throw with him, which can completely screw up your opponents plans, especially if you disrupt the jack or caster while they are knocked down.

eFeora with a lot of focus can be a melee beast, but in this size game she is never going to get that huge focus well - so I would keep her well back. Definitely keep her at least 11 inches away from pButcher every turn (his max threat range is 10" I think). Use fire step to get away if she gets engaged. It's a rough matchup, but it can be done.

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What I'm getting out of this is just run my battle box list lol until I can get him to higher points. battle box list is crusader repenter revenger min choir and a vassal. "I'm assuming pButcher? (yes)
Which Eiryss are you using?( the one from the rulebook)
What are your victory conditions - straight caster kill, or do you win if you kill everything but the caster?(caster kill)
The only reason I wanted to run this list is because I want to get used to using my favorite style but it wont work against him.... Also next friday I'll be able to buy a flame guard feora2 and some jacks like the vanquisher and a redeemer and a castigater. I know these aren't the things recomended but I won't always be playing my friend. Hes just who I play against most often. Although suggestions on what to get to build my anti khador list would be good. I have a battle box a choir and a vassal. thats fifteen. He wanted to play 16 so what next? I'd assume wracks but we could switch around points. I'm hesitant to buy reznik though. I have a feeling I'll have to get him though haha

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What I'm getting out of this is just run my battle box list lol until I can get him to higher points. battle box list is crusader repenter revenger min choir and a vassal. "I'm assuming pButcher? (yes)
Which Eiryss are you using?( the one from the rulebook)
What are your victory conditions - straight caster kill, or do you win if you kill everything but the caster?(caster kill)
The only reason I wanted to run this list is because I want to get used to using my favorite style but it wont work against him.... Also next friday I'll be able to buy a flame guard feora2 and some jacks like the vanquisher and a redeemer and a castigater. I know these aren't the things recomended but I won't always be playing my friend. Hes just who I play against most often. Although suggestions on what to get to build my anti khador list would be good. I have a battle box a choir and a vassal. thats fifteen. He wanted to play 16 so what next? I'd assume wracks but we could switch around points. I'm hesitant to buy reznik though. I have a feeling I'll have to get him though haha

My advice:

• Play what you want.
  Doing the hard yards now should only make things easier later. Though having two lists to choose from - like in SR_tournaments - isn't a bad idea.
• Never play just straight caster kill - at least add in the condition that only having your warcaster left is also a loss condition.
  When the game whittles down to nothing it's fun for neither player.
• Make sure you're using a fair and even amount of appropriate terrain.

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Ok thanks I was thinking about being like f the police and just doing my fire list no matter what lol