With Colossal/Gargantuans - 35 vs 50 pts now?

[QTN]

I argue that the Big Guys make 35 pts more interesting/challenging to list build...because that's about half your points in one model.

I argue that the extra 15pts may give you more options to deal with things but 35 will leave weaknesses when one uses a Big Guy.

What are people's thoughts?

[sourclams]

I think only Cygnar and Menoth would even try to field a Colossal in 35 points.

And I think only Cygnar would feel that the list was generally as/more powerful than stuff they could do before.

50 pts appears to be the sweet spot.

[PG_Duckboy]

I could field Conquest at either point value.

[PG_Shi_no_Kami]

I think that Hyperion could be successfully used at 35pts.

[Deo85]

just got to deal with the player trying to hit you from multiple angles if you go this way but hey if you can keep your caster well behind the big guy why not try it

[MoN4RcH]

Im keen to play them at any points cost but don't really want to start playing games above 50pts.

[Errant_knight]

I ran a Stormwall in a 35 pt list with Kraye and had a blast with it. It was an 8 model list and I never felt like I was out of options.

[sourclams]

I could field Conquest at either point value.

Can, but it's challenging to make a balanced list. It runs into the same difficulty that Karchev has often run into; the matchup begins to have a lot more weight.

[Spume]

50pts and up for the majority. I think them being seen in 35 pt games is a novelty

[PG_Duckboy]

Can, but it's challenging to make a balanced list. It runs into the same difficulty that Karchev has often run into; the matchup begins to have a lot more weight.

Let me re-phrase that, I can make it work.

[HellecticMojo]

i don't think it's going to change much. It might be slightly rock paper scissory though, in terms of match ups, but I think they are all plenty balanced at the pt scales in their own way.

[ChaosE]

This isnt, and has never been an issue for Warmachine. Hordes is where you really get screwed by low fury beasts that cost 20 pts. It's already difficult to play hordes at low points cost without going beast heavy and colossals will make it almost impossible, since you really cant just take one beast with a few rare exceptions.

[warlorddrax]

at 15, they are kind of stupid... either they are way too good, or are not that effective at such low points levels. they are very match-up dependent

at 35, things start to even out across the board. but still, some casters are almost broken with it. (pHaely is a prime example)

at 50 things really start to even out.

[John of Arc]

I'll definitely be running Stormwall, Conquest and Galleon in most of my 35 point lists. They're too fun not too, and just as effective as my other options for the points. For Galleon, I'd argue that he's a much better choice than two normal merc heavies would be.

[MadJack]

My only problem with the 35pt level is that after my 2 Stormwalls I don't have a lot of room for anything else

[ShoX]

Should be more or less unplayable for Trolls and Circle at 35. Woldwrath will not have enough stuff to boost with his animus and trolls need to invest a crapton of models to buff him. 50 should be sweet for the wrath because you can add enough stuff to benefit. If the MK is good at 50, I'll let the trolls decide. For Colossals, I'm running SW at 35 pCaine Tier 3 and it feels great because it's a very self sufficient model.

[SchnauzerFace]

I'd like to field 2 MK and eDoomy in a 35 some day.

[Lanz]

I would happily take a colossal down to 15 point games, so I don't have any problem fitting it in at 35 or 50. It's no different than running a 'jack-wall. Once you get used to the idea that you'll have way fewer models, it's not that unusual to look at. My 35 point darius list looks more like a battlebox with some extras, but it handles fine.

[Mastershake]

I've put double Hyperions with pVyros down at 35pts multiple times and its done fine. I think this one is more about the caster (or ruleset in the case of Hordes) than the specific colossal. Regardless of what MK and the Wrath do, 20pts for so little fury at 35 is pretty unmanagable especially since the Wrath needs stones and the MK without support isn't actually that difficult to kill even for an army that didn't bring real firepower.

In general it seems like there's at least one caster in each faction that could probably make a double colossal list work effectively at 35pts and a single colossal seems pretty viable when they usually hit as hard or harder in melee and most have a decent ranged presence to boot. Seems like it's a good equivaent to a pair of heavies both point wise and damage wise.

[Joasht]

I've run a colossal (granted, Stormwall) at 35 points, the list works fine. Not too easy to play either; most of your points are tied up in a single position, so if you are careless you'll lose your caster (or at least the rest of your army) quite handily.