First Tournement in Sept. (50 point 2-list), would like some list advice

[sinburger]

Hello Everyone,

There is a steamroller tournament coming up in mid-september, that I am going to register for. I need to bring a 50 point list, and have the option to bring a second list. I also need to add an additional 10 points to each list as some scenarios will require the extra models. I'll post what I have, and what my initial list composition is. If anyone could give me some advice or ways to tweak the list I would really appreciate it. I would rather avoid buying new units if possible, although I could fill in a solo or jack if needed.

Here's what I own:
Warcasters:
Iron Lich Asphyxious 2010
Warwitch Deneghra
Wraith Witch Deneghra
Lich Lord Terminus
Lord Exhumator Scaverous
Lich Lord Venethrax
Pirate Queen Skarre 2009
Skarre, Queen of the Broken Coast

Bonejacks:
2x Deathripper
2x Scavenger
2x Ripjaw
1x Defiler
1x Stalker

Helljacks:
Deathjack
Erebus
Malice
1x Slayer
1x Reaper
1x Corruptor
1x Seether
1x Leviathan
1x Harrower

Units:
Max Bane Thralls + UA
2x min. Bane Knights
Max. SatyxisBlood Witches + UA
Min. Satyxis Raiders + UA
Min. Bile Thralls
Max. Blackbane's Raiders
Min, Soulhunters
Revenant Cannon Crew
Min. Croe's Cutthroats
Withershadow Combine

Solos:
Bane Lord Tartarus
Darragh Wrathe
Pistol Wraith
Machine Wraith
Satyxis Raider Captain
Warwitch Siren
Skarlock Thrall
Gorman Di Wulfe, Rogue Alchemist
Master Gunner Dougal MacNaile
Madelyn Corbeau, Ordic Courtesan
Ragman

My first list I want to run is Terminus Bane Brick. The concept behind this list is pretty straightforward, have the B.Knights out front as an advance force to tie up the opponent, then have a line of Bane Thralls, followed by Bile Thralls, in front of Terminus, who will march up towards the caster. The solos and WSC will act as support doing their thing, and the Harrower will sit in front of the brick attempting to block LOS to terminus and to lob shots into the enemy:
Terminus
Harrower
2x Min Bane Knights
Max Bane Thralls + UA
Bane Lord Tartarus
Min Bile Thralls
Darragh Wrath
Machine Wraith
Warwitch Siren
Withershadow Combine

The second list I am still working out, but I am leaning towards eSkarre's with satyxis raiders + UA and solo, with a pair of pistol wraiths thrown in to make use of black spot. The idea here is to put some damage onto the caster using backlash and feedback while I try to get the Scavengers in position to use their finisher ability (using the feat to prevent free strikes if they have to fly over units). The banes and biles will act as a screen for Skarre while the force advances. Gorman will pair up with the raiders to use his rust or oil bombs as required to soften up targets for the ladies. The pistol wraiths will take advantage of black spot to mow down infantry.
eSkarre
Scarlock Thrall
Deathripper
2xScavenger
Reaper
Max Bane Thralls + UA
Min. Bile Thralls
2xPistol Wraiths
Min. Raiders + UA + Solo
Gorman
Dougal MacNaile

So what do you guys think? I picked these two caster because they fit together thematically, and I play with them the most. I haven't played with pDenny since my first few games a year or so back, and I have never used Gaspy or eDenny so I'm not keen on using them in this tournament.

[Bronze]

In the first list I would favor one dull unit of knights and Madelyn with the extra two points which gives you a key solo needed to move Terminus and also gives you better vengeance potential.

In the second list I would probably drop the biles since they will be the only easy targets on the table unless you want to spend feat targets on them, which could work..but I would rather upgrade that reaper to a Deathjack and make that my admonition or Death ward target. He will probably perform where you need him better for that list.

[sinburger]

I'll drop the machine wraith and Harrower and put in Madelyn and a leviathan. I want two units of Bane Knights as you can get a lot of utility from them operating as independent strike teams without being chained to one commander. The extra movement form Madelyn makes a lot of sense.

I put the biles in the second list for protection, as it forces my opponent to focus on taking out the biles and eat banes to the face, or take out banes and risk purge attacks. If I can get my deathjack assembled in time for the tournament though I like the idea of using him instead though (I have a fairly significant mod planned for him and I haven't even started yet).

[malice]

Unfortunately i dont like a harrower for a couple of reasons with terminus on feat turn he competes for souls that terminus wants, and is realistically to slow to really keep up with terminus. A heavy jack in a terminus list is more or less used as a screen to soak up shots until he can fly off and wreck face. Erebus with poltergiest and def 14 makes for a much better shield to terminus. Not to mention if he does manage to live long enough casting ravager on erebus is like giving gerlak steroids and crack and setting him lose on the population.
I agree with adding in madelyn cause that extra 3 inch move at the right time makes for some great threat ranges. i would take out the warwitch siren for a skarlock so that the skarlock can cast ravager on terminus or erebus for free.

i personally dont use bane knights in my terminus list at all but if thats your thing than rock it out. I prefer a max unit of biles to help make sure one of them gets there, i also throw in saxon to give the bane thralls pathfinder, since the extra armour debuff comes in handy when you can run a bane thrall up for dark shroud.

now at 35 points i just have erebus with termy, but at 50 i also run malice. The reason for that is that you have the option of using possession to move a warjack into your ranks for the withershadow (auto include) to wreck it and make a seether. the other is so that it can more reliably drag a screening model away from thier caster, or possibly drag the caster closer to terminus.

I cant really comment too much on your eskarre list cause i dont run her much but just looking at it, the bile thralls are out of place. I would drop the biles and max out the satyxis raiders. i would also drop dougal and upgrade the reaper to malice he has a more reliable ability to drag something.

[malice]

just remembered this is for a steamroller so obviously malice cant go in both lists, so if you stick with your bane knights with terminus then give eskarre malice, if not give terminus malice and give eskarre a seether.

[sinburger]

I played a large game last week (70 points, two caster on my side, against two friends running 35 point legion lists) and it made me realize how much of a nightmare moving that much infantry is going to be, especially under a clock. Bearing that and some of the advice here in mind I've re-jigged my Terminus list:
Terminus
Leviathan
Deathripper
Scarlock
Max Bane Knights
Max Bane Thralls + UA
Min. Bile Thralls
Bane Lord Tartarus
Darragh Wrathe
Withershadow Combine

Essentially I'll run the Bane Thralls and Bile Thralls out front with the arc node (for annihilation spam), while marching Terminus and the rest of the horde up behind. The leviathan will send out pot shots and hopefully act to bait away some attacks from my infantry and Terminus. I dropped madelyn because I don't want the complication of trying to keep her alive.

[malice]

why do you have a deathripper with terminus he doesnt have any spells that you should be arcing, hellfire is a waste of his focus i would take out the deathripper and replace it with saxon orik to give your bane thralls or bile thralls pathfinder, and madelyn corbeau to help get terminus and/or tartarus up the field and make for some nasty threat ranges.