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    If you're going to play minions with Mohsar I recommend Slaughterhousers. Sunhammer is amazing with them because you pretty much auto-turn-on their weapon masterness. That said, I tend to look pretty quick to beasts and Bloodtrackers with Mohsar. I'm going to try Reeves with him sometime soon too I think. Lots of things I feel have potential if you know how to play Mohsar.

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    Hm. Mohsar with one-two units of Slaughterhousers could be interesting. Pity you can't Sands to/from them.

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    So I just had a game with Morvanha.

    Turns out she's actually really interesting. I thought she was going to be kinda boring to play, but she brings so much stupid to the table.

    eFeora vs. Morv at 50, Destruction.

    I tired down eEiryss early game. Her and a Blackclad duked it out. Whole game. lol.

    Trackers preyed Bastions. Shot the crap out of them. Druids dragged a Reckoner to it's death.

    Every turn, I'd Zombifiy the Trackers and regrow 5. Then kill a couple models for transfers. The interaction between Harvest, Regrowth and leeching is a bit odd. Like trying to find a balance. Usually you'd have exactly enough fury on the board to leech to full. But you'd often have to pass up free fury or risk threshold tests.

    Cause I assumed I couldn't upkeep, regrow and then leech.

    I also never feated. He didn't have much infantry, so I was more concerned with getting the fury. She'd generally activate last and do nothing.

    Witch Doc was solid. He just sat there in my backfield with the one out of formation Tracker. I made about normal Tough checks- really helped the unit keep in the game and not be ground down too badly. Being Undead also bypasses the biggest weakness - CMD. And so much stuff can't RFP them.

    The game ended with me regrowing a chain of Trackers over to Feora. Killed the last Bastion, cycled Prey to Feora. Some aimed, some walked. They chipped away about 14 damage at -10. Stalker ported in to finish the job.

    Was also my first game using Druids. Not sure how I feel about them.

    ...

    But yeah. I like Morvanha. I think I'll stick with her for a while.

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    You are correct, you can not upkeep, regrow and then leech. The order in which that all happens is in Primal, I don't have it in front of me, but unless something says otherwise I do believe you Leech, Upkeep, everything else. I do believe that since Regrowth has no effect until the next control phase that even if you don't upkeep it you can still spend fury to replace dead bloodtrackers.

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    Morvahna is a ton of fun to play, although her opponents would probably disagree if they don't have purification. I just wish she had some Martyrdom mechanic for her upkeeps. Something such as she can take D3 damage instead of an upkeep being removed by an opponent. Losing Regrowth and Harvest because is harsh. Maybe her epic version will be less upkeep dependant.

    Also don't take fury from harvest if you can't do anything with it and it would prevent you from leeching.
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    Morvahna is awesome. Especially since she is relatively easy to play in a tournament environment.

    Quote Originally Posted by cheddercaveman View Post
    You are correct, you can not upkeep, regrow and then leech. The order in which that all happens is in Primal, I don't have it in front of me, but unless something says otherwise I do believe you Leech, Upkeep, everything else. I do believe that since Regrowth has no effect until the next control phase that even if you don't upkeep it you can still spend fury to replace dead bloodtrackers.
    Much like Mirage, Regrowth must be upkept if you want to benefit from it.
    I <3 Ferals.

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    Archnomad and I talked through a list on Vassal, this is what I was playing:

    Morvahna
    - Stalker, Gorax, Feral, Wilder
    10 Trackers, Nuala
    Druids, Overseer
    Stones, Stones, Keeper
    Gobbers
    Blackclad
    Grove
    =50

    The fury management aspect of Morvahna is weird.

    a) You have beasts. Beasts generate fury.
    b) You have Harvest up, netting you bonus fury.
    c) You obviously don't want to exceed your incoming fury and risk frenzy.

    Seems like she does this most turns:
    Upkeep Harvest and Restoration, leech and regrow 5 Trackers to be on 0 fury.
    Everything else activates, kills things, generates fury for Morvahna.
    Morvahna acttivates and casts, heals, whatever, sits on transfers.

    Kinda seems like Harvest in the enemy turn is just to top up your fury load.
    But it seems Harvest in your own turn is where the money is.

    Morvahna's not a fan of upkeep hate. How do you handle games where the enemy succeeds in stripping Regrowth?

    Repeatedly try to recast it and gank whatever removes it? What if it's from the caster or lock?

    ...

    Next weekend is a Colossals event. I'm taking pKruger and eKaya. I also made some changes to my pKruger list that I'm keen to try out.

    pKruger
    - Feral, Stalker, Stalker, Megalith, Gorax, Wilder
    Stones, Stones, Keeper
    Gobbers
    Grove, Grove
    Feralgeist
    =50

    Less infantry removal, more heavies. The Geist is there to act as an electric pinata.

    Basically traded:
    Wolfriders, Bloodweavers, Blackclad (13)
    for
    Stalker, Wilder, Feralgeist (13)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obeisance View Post
    The game ended with me regrowing a chain of Trackers over to Feora. Killed the last Bastion, cycled Prey to Feora. Some aimed, some walked. They chipped away about 14 damage at -10. Stalker ported in to finish the job.
    Not sure if I'm interpreting this the way you meant it to be, and I'm not sure I'm right on this rule, but I think that when you Regrow, you regrow all of the unit that you want at once, so you can't regrow one, place it within 2" of another model, then regrow another one within 2" of the one you just placed. Not sure if that's what you did and not sure if it's illegal, but I think it is.

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    Chain together..
    Regrow red at 2"
    Regrow yellow at 4"
    Regrow blue at 6"
    Regrow green at 8"

    Has to be placed within 3" of another model in the unit at within formation.

    Is that not a legal play?

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    You regrow models one at a time. Weird but true.

    So you can chain regrown models towards your target but the placement of the unit leader tends to stop things getting too crazy. I usually use this trick to kill off Kovnik Joe with druids (can't use sac pawn vs force bolt) or to help me fish casters from unlikely locations.
    I <3 Ferals.

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    Huh. Cool, nevermind then. Carry on *puts that tidbit in his trick belt*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obeisance View Post
    Was also my first game using Druids. Not sure how I feel about them.
    You'd have felt a lot better about those Druids if I hadn't had Rhoven in my list, stupid clouds :P
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    nyx (my opponent) just pointed out a large mistake I made.

    Harvest is enemy models only. I was taking fury whenever my stuff died. No wonder I was having fury management problems.

    I'm dumb. ;D

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    BLAH.

    Need to decide on a 3rd so I can start painting and practicing.

    pKruger, eKaya and..

    Mohsar. Pillars and Curse of Shadows. (Minimal painting)
    Morvahna. Bloodtrackers WITHOUT END. (Minimal painting)
    pBaldur. ALL THE EARTH SPIKES and forestwalking. (Minimal painting, $50 of purchases)
    Cassius the sock puppet. Hellmouth, Curse of Shadows shenannigans. (Lots of painting)
    eKruger. Telekinesis, ranged sustained attack and Stormwall. (Minimal painting)
    eBaldur. +4 DEF and +3 ARM spam on tap. (Minimal painting)
    Kromac. Teleport across the table and Warpath to the face. (Minimal painting)

    Needs to be a strong Khador, Menoth and eLylyth matchup. Stupid Divide and Conquer.

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    If you can make him work, Mohsar, I think. That, or p/eBaldur with a Guardian for eLylyth.

    eLylyth means that Cassius is hard to work; Morvahna really doesn't like Protectorate; eKrueger seems unreliable with Colossals (although Menoth/Legion don't have theirs yet) and storm wall is bypassed by eLyl feat; Kromac just doesn't particularly like getting shot to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighten View Post
    If you can make him work, Mohsar, I think. That, or p/eBaldur with a Guardian for eLylyth.

    eLylyth means that Cassius is hard to work; Morvahna really doesn't like Protectorate; eKrueger seems unreliable with Colossals (although Menoth/Legion don't have theirs yet) and storm wall is bypassed by eLyl feat; Kromac just doesn't particularly like getting shot to death.
    Kromac's feat alone is enough to keep most casters back, though. If they don't kill you and you're within 13" (or 5" if they tied you up in melee), it's not looking good for them.

    I'm all for saying Mohsar, he's quite original when it comes to casters. He's also a great match against most of those lists.

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    Yep. That's pretty much my thinking. I keep going in circles.

    And then I can't write a Mohsar list I actually want to play.

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    Funny. I can't write a list that I wouldn't want to play with Mohsar. I've run him without and without in faction infantry for Sands of Fate, with a Gnarlhorn for making use of slamming into pillars for an extra die, with heavy counter magic using druids/ or woldwyrd, using zero/one/two Geomancers... you can get pretty much anything to run with him.

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    So Morvahna. I've had a couple of game with her and I don't think druids really mesh. Too much support, needs more teeth. I'm kinda thinking of running her because she's fairly easy to play and I don't have all that much to paint.

    Morvahna
    - Stalker
    - Gorax
    - Feral
    Blackclad
    Stones, Stones, Keeper
    10 Trackers, Nuala
    Witch Doc
    Gobbers

    12pts.

    I'm thinking
    5 Skinwalkers (8)
    2 Groves (2)
    Wilder (2)

    The plastic 2 player box comes out in a couple of days, I could pick some up cheap. I could also run Ravagers. But I think they'd be kinda meh. Does she work well with anything else?

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    Skinwalkers could make a good Restoration target, ARM20 in combat with 8 boxes is nothing to sneeze at
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obeisance View Post
    So Morvahna. I've had a couple of game with her and I don't think druids really mesh. Too much support, needs more teeth. I'm kinda thinking of running her because she's fairly easy to play and I don't have all that much to paint.

    Morvahna
    - Stalker
    - Gorax
    - Feral
    Blackclad
    Stones, Stones, Keeper
    10 Trackers, Nuala
    Witch Doc
    Gobbers

    12pts.

    I'm thinking
    5 Skinwalkers (8)
    2 Groves (2)
    Wilder (2)

    The plastic 2 player box comes out in a couple of days, I could pick some up cheap. I could also run Ravagers. But I think they'd be kinda meh. Does she work well with anything else?
    Tbh Bro i dont think she is that easy To play. But you are getting Close to the list i played on the weekend.

    i went this way.

    Morvahna the Autumnblade (*6pts)
    * Gorax (4pts)
    * Pureblood Warpwolf (9pts)
    * Shadowhorn Satyr (7pts)
    * Warpwolf Stalker (10pts)
    Shifting Stones (2pts)
    * Stone keeper (1pts)
    Shifting Stones (2pts)
    Tharn Bloodtrackers (Leader and 9 Grunts) (8pts)
    * Nuala the Huntress (2pts)
    Warpborn Skinwalkers (Leader and 4 Grunts) (8pts)
    Druid Wilder (2pts)
    Gallows Grove (1pts)

    She is a very postitional caster.

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    Screw it. Enough agonizing. I've decided I'm going to take the fun path. One of the locks I started Circle to play. pKruger, eKaya and Kromac. Even though Kromac and eKaya are somewhat similar.

    Means I'll have to make some changes. Also means 0 purchases and like 3 models to paint.

    eKaya
    - Drop Ghetto
    - Add Stalker, Gobbers
    So double Stalker.
    As I don't own 3 Stalkers, it's gonna mean a reinforcements change.

    Adding Gobbers gives me something to screen my beasts with. Plus +2 DEF is pretty decent when people walk inside 5".

    I'm probably just going to take 5 Gators and a Feralgeist for reinforcements for all 3 lists as I can't think of anything better. Hm. Maybe 3 Wolfriders and Lord of the Feast for Kaya.

    ...

    pKruger
    - Feral
    - Stalker
    - Megalith
    - Gorax
    Bloodweavers
    3 Wolfriders
    Stones
    - Keeper
    Stones
    Blackclad
    2 Groves
    =50

    Someone mentioned that he thinks I have too much anti-infantry and not enough heavies. I'm pretty comfortable with the list. Everything has a role. Only thing it's really missing is a Wilder.

    Possible changes:

    Drop Weavers, Wolfriders, Blackclad.
    Add Stalker, Wilder, Feralgeist.

    Why Feralgeist? So I can run it into the the middleo of units and have a Feral with Tendrils smack it like a pinata. Then electric candy comes out. ELECTRIC PINATA.

    pKruger
    - Feral
    - Stalker
    - Stalker
    - Megalith
    - Gorax
    Stones
    - Keeper
    Stones
    Wilder
    Feralgeist
    2 Groves
    =50

    Reinforcements would be Gators and a Grove, as I only own one Geist.

    As for Kromac. There are points for both Feral and Pureblood. Feral is more beaty, survives slightly better with Warp ARM. But Pureblood brings Warp Ghostly, Blessed and a Spray. Spray also triggers Warpath.

    tl;dr

    ...

    So questions:

    pKruger - More heavies or no?

    Kromac - Where do you stand, Pureblood or Feral?

    Reinforcements for Kromac and eKaya:
    3 Wolfriders and Lord of the Feast
    5 Gators and Feralgeist

    So yeah. I ramble and think out loud on the internets. =D

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