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    Default Waterfalling?

    Is waterfalling possible, indeed alive and well in MKII?

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    Yes and no.

    You can no longer waterfall melee attacks.
    You can still waterfall ranged attacks.

    BUT

    At present there are no potential benefits to waterfalling ranged attacks in Legion. That is we have no potential benefits from hitting or damaging with an initial ranged attack that would apply to any of our units with CRA.
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    What is waterfalling?

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    When models that have multiple attacks and combined attacks, there is a trick you can do nicknamed waterfalling to ensure that you always get any additional benefit you might have from hiting or damaging with an initial attack.

    legion used to do this big time with Rhyas and Legionnaires and with striders and epic lylyth in Mk1.
    It was also infamous on Idrians

    Now I think there is just Long gunners with deadeye that can still do it but I may be mistaken.

    Longgunner A and B combo and benefit from deadeye.
    Longunner A or B then combined his second shot with C's initial shot who benefits from deadeye.
    C then uses his second shot with D's initial also benfitting from deadeye.

    and so on.

    Just a trick to make sure that when combining in pairs you don't lose out on deadeye.

    Strider legion used to take it to a whole new level because the benfit the tactic was trying to get was the additional attack with which to perpetuate the tactic, resulting in an absurd number of accurate POW 12s. But that got the triple nerf in Mk2.
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    Considering archers RAT to DEF or Pow to ARM damage ratios, isn't 12 or 13 Pow 12s sometimes better than 20 Pow 10s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uzziel View Post
    Considering archers RAT to DEF or Pow to ARM damage ratios, isn't 12 or 13 Pow 12s sometimes better than 20 Pow 10s?
    Yes it often is. Archers with UA can do 12 POW 12s standing still, and with re-rolls.
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