pLylyth and what works for you!?

[CloudFang]

tried this 35pt pLylyth list yesterday and realized is was definitely lacking:

pLylyth
Typhon
Seraph
Striders + UA
Raptors Full
Forsaken

raptors and striders +UA just seem too much of the same thing.

what are some directions people are going with pLylyth these days?

And how is she fairing in Steamroller format?

I see a lot of love for the carny with lylyth... if you have the time throw up some of your lylyth lists and lets see whats making her work? i know parasite is awesome... whats the best way to kill kill kill with lylyth.

as always thanks for any input.

[Thunder_God]

Seraph becomes effectively POW 15 against Parasite targets. As do Striders who CRA (or archers), though once you have Parasite, you actually want volume of hits, so ranged raptors might be a bit lacking.

I took to a tourney, and did pretty well (except when my stupidity hindered me):
pLylyth.
2 Seraphs.
Carnivean
Striders+UA.
2 Forsakens.
Swamp Gobbers.

Seraphs can take care of some infantry, Forsakens can take care of a lot of infantry. Don't fear losing your Striders to stop the enemy where you want him, sometimes the game ends before you really "flank", kill solos, take some pot-shots at the enemy caster...

Parasite on an enemy caster and Lylyth's feat, and you often don't need more than a Seraph plus a shot or two from something else. Also, don't be afraid to boost the to-hit even when using Lylyth's feat, RAT 5 against those frail high def casters? Better hit.

If I had Typhon it might have worked better instead of the Carni+Gobbers. A lot of carnage under Lylyth's feat with him, and even if you don't go for assassination, you can clear a lot of stuff out.

[CloudFang]

nice... thanks thunder. i like the look of the dual seraph.. yea i just found that raptors and striders both at 35 were sorta filling the same role and left me with a weird setup.. i do like typhon with lylyth with three sprays... ok.

what about infantry? has anyone tried her with mongers, swordsmen, or legionnaires? with good results?

[Thunder_God]

Erm, why?

Her feat will make them more likely to hit, she doesn't really buff their damage. If you put Parasite on a unit, you're going to kill it with your ranged soldiers, as that will be enough damage (if you want to Parasite single wound infantry, you're going to also have it go off of her Fury 5, as if the model dies, no Witch Mark!), it may work with Warmongers, as they will eat through units, with 3 attack dice berserk, but you're probably going for assassination, and a Carnivean, Seraph, and especially Typhon under her feat will do more than enough to kill enemy infantry.

Think of the role you're trying to fill in. Kill infantry? Sprays, Eruption of Spines, parasite+ranged, Forsakens. Kill heavy infantry? More of an issue, and I'd try to avoid dealing with them with your speed, to be honest. Kill jacks? Carni+Typhon, or Parasite+anything, and again, try to avoid having to do it... you're not geared to going toe to toe with heavies, Slipstream is very useful for pulling yourself out of melee as well.

I don't have any experience with the Warspears, but they may work. If you begin 8" from the enemy then you'll get two POW 13 from each one, or hitting DEF 15 from 16" away (not too shabby, actually. 8 Striders can put out 4 POW 12 with better RAT from 19" away though).

Legionnaires, well, I wish I had some legionnaires. Not because they're awesome or exciting, but because they give me 10 models for 6 points. That'd be interesting. But after playing a bit, my impression of anti-infantry in Legion is that you are not really out-matched, unless the opponent brings shield-wallers, elite infantry like Sentinels, or multi-wounders.
Then again, if I had the numerical superiority, who knows how it'd have made me feel

[Defenstrator]

I'm rather liking the Archers + UA with her. They're a solid backup unit, can kill stuff with Parasite, her feat really buffs them, and they can give cover to the stick and move army pLylyth tends to play.

For melee I like the Warmongers + Warchief for obvious reasons. With Parasite they can tear through almost any unit.

I'll take Raptors with her because Raptors are solid, but she doesn't do much for them.

For beasts the Seraph is still dead solid, and both Typhon and the Carnivean are solid beasts. I don't like the Angelius as much just because it tends to lunge forward which doesn't always work with Lylyth's tiny CTRL area.

[CloudFang]

im starting to get it... alot of my problem has been switching from pThag play style to pLylyth play style.. its been really fun getting used to the switch.. yea, im gonna pick up some archers and see what they do for me..

[CloudFang]

ok so i tried this:

pLylyth
typhon
Seraphx2
Striders + UA
2x Forsaken

had a really hard time with the list so i was hoping some of you guys out there could help me with my pLylyth lists, strategies, tactics, and style. Now i know im coming off of playing pThag for the last 2 years but i finally won a 1st place steamroller with him and have decided to pick up another caster for a while.

one question i have is when should i be aiming to use lylyths feat? turn 2? turn 3? to kill stuff or save it for the assassination?

should my beasts be spread out? ive been keeping them in tight to allow for slipstream on several models but i feel like maybe i should be playing them wider?

should pLylyth be shooting most of her turns or staying back?

is it better for the striders to sneak up a flank or should they be screening the army as it moves in?

just some questions... anything will help cuz im pretty fresh with this caster.. and i have been playing legion attrition for too long!? haha.. thanks as always.

[OldOneEye]

I like Thunder_God's list, though I may go with a Deathstalker or two instead of two Forsaken. I put a lot of value on those guaranteed auto-kills against single-wound infantry without support (too used to Widowmakers). Might swap the Gobbers out for a Shepherd in that case, just to help with Fury management.

For me, Lylyth1 is all about maximizing the number of attacks I can make on her feat turn. That's why I prefer the Carnivean and Seraph with her. C-Rex has three initial attacks AND that huge spray, and can buy four more attacks (you DID hit the target with Blood Lure first, didn't you?). Seraphs get at least two shots when they shoot.

Infantry control isn't a problem-- Striders do it very well, Deathstalkers excel at it, and the Seraphs can tear units up as well. Parasite makes heavier ARM less of a problem, not that the Carnivean considers it much of a problem to begin with.