Generic speculation thread, again!

**Mobile** · 03-31-2010, 06:10 AM

I was pondering the state of Hordes mark 2, and it seems as though we may get a batch of models not dissimilar from the warmachine grouping:
caster, 2 beasts, 2-3 units, a wa/ua or two, and a handful of solo's.

The pattern also seems to be filling out where 'theme' armies lacked models: filling out 'trencher' lines, an errant UA and solo, love for assault commando's. Heck, even stormsmith artillery. Between that and the retribution book (Mittens forces, houseguard being well developed, anti-mage strike forces), it seems that the good folks at PP are trying to make 'pure' armies at least somewhat flexible.

What might we see?
We have warmongers, warspears and the warchief to make the ogrun list a full one.
Striders have a UA and a solo. Could we see melee striders, or would raptors be considered a further part of that army, being fast, light cav, capable of scouting?
Swordsmen and archers seem to pair up as 'standard blighted nyss' forces, but neither has a solo to really apply to its 'army' theme. Could we see a swordsman grandmaster? I think a solo archer would be stepping on the deathstalkers toes.

But that, plus a 'beasts' theme, is still only 3 or 4! What do you fine disciples of the dragon think?

**Neutralyze** · 03-31-2010, 06:14 AM

maybe a tier list that will make the strider solos into khador marksmen solos. they are nearly the same thing except the marskman has 14 inches instead of 12. how dumb.

**leo_neil316** · 03-31-2010, 07:05 AM

Legion warlock attachment.

Speed 6. ARM 16. DEF 13. 2x pow/str 12 claws. Battlegroup. Arcnode. +2 CMD to warlock when within 5 inches.

**TormeyOHurt** · 03-31-2010, 07:11 AM

I dont know about anyone else, but the wording on eThagrosh's damage spawn, and the Spawning Vessel leads me to believe that Everblight might get a named lesser. Perhaps that was a 'just in case' instance, but I feel it would be awesome.

**thechimp** · 03-31-2010, 07:14 AM

lol a character shredder would be awesome in fluff and in game >.<
i would buy one for ****s and giggles XD

**Loveless** · 03-31-2010, 07:57 AM

Nephilim Archer.

If I keep saying it, it will come true.

**Neutralyze** · 03-31-2010, 08:07 AM

range 12 pow 13 bow. crit brutal damage for 6 pts.

spd 6, strength 9, mat 5, rat 6, defense 13, armor 15

flight and bushwack!

**CorporateSellout** · 03-31-2010, 08:25 AM

I wouldn't call a character lesser too far-fetched... it's no more unusual than a character solo, imo. Although I have to also admit that the Legion seems to be having problems keeping pace in the character department, so it's anybody's guess.

**Mobile** · 03-31-2010, 09:15 AM

AS much as I would like a nephilim archer, I have trouble imagining a concept that would be useful/good without completely snuffing out any hope the teraph has of seeing the board. Having a non-elemental ranged attack would be nice, though. Perhaps an animus that grants gunfighter to a warbeast/warlock? That's delicious.

**Havock** · 03-31-2010, 09:26 AM

Searyn and Rhyas on a single base as their 'epic-form'?

**Nargacuga** · 03-31-2010, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by leo_neil316

Legion warlock attachment.

Speed 6. ARM 16. DEF 13. 2x pow/str 12 claws. Battlegroup. Arcnode. +2 CMD to warlock when within 5 inches.

wow.. that would be awesome.

auto-include with pThags and Vayl

Considering that eThags lost the buff he gave to Legionnaires, I'm sure we will see a Legionnaire UA or solo that grants them fearless.

**alchahest** · 03-31-2010, 09:33 AM

seconding. or.. sixthing or whatever, the nephilim archer. give it a shorter range bow attack that does a boatful of damage. maybe a * attack for brutal damage or a bow-version of decapitation (anything over armour is doubled). make sure that it's mobile, and has stealth, but can't fly. something along these lines:

Nephilim Ranger
Legion of Everblight Light Warbeast
7 SPD/ 8 STR/ 6 MAT/ 5 RAT/ 13 DEF/ 13 ARM/ 8 CMD/ 3 FUR/ 10 THR
Damage 22 (8 Mind, 7 Body, 7 Spirit)
FA:U
Base Size: Medium
Point Cost: 6

Animus -
Cost: 2 RNG: 6"
Target Model or Unit gains

on all ranged attacks. This effect expires at the end of activation

Adaptive Camouflage - This model gains an additional +4 DEF when benefiting from concealment or cover

War Bow x1 (ranged)
Rng: 10 Pow: 13 ROF: 1

Arcing Fire - When attacking with this weapon, this model can ignore intervening models except those within 1˝ of the target.

or something like a Nephilim spawned out of an Ogrun. or a character or warlock nephilim

basically what I'm getting at is MORE NEPHILM PLEASE.

**CorporateSellout** · 03-31-2010, 09:46 AM

I would love to see a "Nephilim" variant from an ogrun. A new huge powerhouse heavy to rival the carnivean is just what I'm hoping to see. Being a little simpler and cheaper than the C-rex would be pretty handy too.

**hackrune** · 03-31-2010, 09:59 AM

Honestly, a Nephilim Ogrun heavy would be ridiculously cool. Now that Everblight has Pyromalfic's essence, we should be able to see a wider variety of blighted creatures as well, which is what I'm hoping our new units/solo will be. After all, the Legion is hanging out in Khador, now. We're bound to get blighted humans soon, right? The same pattern of isolated villages and attacks that Thagrosh used with the Nyss could work very well in the cold north of Khador.

**Vranz** · 03-31-2010, 10:05 AM

Can you see the drawing on the wall on the right? Do I see some Carniveanish dragonspawn with a long tail?

**GunMageinTraining** · 03-31-2010, 10:12 AM

We've got Ogrun, Nyss (elves), and maybe soon to be dwarves? That would seriously amp his potential for mayhem with the technical and mechanical expertise of blighted dwarves.

**OrsusSmash** · 03-31-2010, 10:14 AM

It certainly looks like a Legion beastie; its far too spiky to be anything else.

Now we just need them to post it up on the main page! We came in 3rd for crying out loud! I want my pretty picture!

**Neutralyze** · 03-31-2010, 10:15 AM

incoming blighted dwarf warlock.

**OrsusSmash** · 03-31-2010, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Neutralyze

incoming blighted dwarf warlock.

Were this to come to pass, I would use it exclusively, forever and ever.

**Neutralyze** · 03-31-2010, 10:20 AM

also i want the next warbeast on waltons board to be moar sprayz

**Vranz** · 03-31-2010, 10:27 AM

On a second look, is it me or the spikes on this thing's back look somewhat like fins? Amphibious Carnivean anyone?

**Neutralyze** · 03-31-2010, 10:33 AM

maybe is just a fish monster for minions.

**ricefrisbeetreats** · 03-31-2010, 10:58 AM

I swear it would be fins and my wife thinks it's some alternate carnivean. Her sight is better than mine.

It's all up in the air...

I still think it's a Bog Trog monster.

**OrsusSmash** · 03-31-2010, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by ricefrisbeetreats

I swear it would be fins and my wife thinks it's some alternate carnivean. Her sight is better than mine.

Given the other 3 heavies, it wouldn't stun me that our heavy is some kind of off-breed Carnivean. These heavies should be in Primal, after all, so they'll probably be close in visual design to the "common" heavies for the faction. Since the Carni was in Primal, that makes sense.

**Rynth** · 03-31-2010, 12:27 PM

Blowing up the picture reveals something coming from the beasts mouth. Initially I thought fire, but the thing appears to be smooth and tongue like, though it looks to hook back rather scimitar-like. Doing doing two tongued beasts so close to each other doesn't seem PP's style, so what this thing is is still anyone's guess.
Does not seem finned, however it is standing on some type of rocky base.

**Thunder_God** · 03-31-2010, 12:54 PM

You know what I hope for? Balrogs.

Well, not really Balrogs, but... dwarves dig, and sometimes they awaken things they shouldn't. Teraphs also dig, and then Everblight meets some new type of under-dark critters, and makes friends.

That's what I want

**Havock** · 03-31-2010, 03:18 PM

How about a special Incubi for your casters, just so that when 'we' die, we do so dragging, kicking and screaming the hapless offender right with us?

**yankeefan** · 03-31-2010, 04:01 PM

Nephilim Berserker (ogrun Nephilim) just make it a 7 PC monstrosity that fills our cheap heavy role. it doenst even need wings

**Neutralyze** · 03-31-2010, 04:10 PM

i would like an archer nephilim. i acutally think its more feasible because then we could make a plastic set of light beasts perhaps. the heavy needs a ranged attack, its legion!

**Jice_** · 03-31-2010, 04:15 PM

I'd actaully love the idea of a Neph Archer and I mirror most sentiments. But mostly because how I imagine it would look. Since they dress them up like the things they represent, I can just picture the Archer with long black sleves, loin cloth, and along the plates of his husk to match the Striders.

**Tha42** · 03-31-2010, 04:21 PM

Element of the Blighted Iosians give us a minor warcaster that allows us to use myrmidions.

**Havock** · 03-31-2010, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Neutralyze

i would like an archer nephilim. i acutally think its more feasible because then we could make a plastic set of light beasts perhaps. the heavy needs a ranged attack, its legion!

two open fists and a steady supply of shredders?

**Mobile** · 03-31-2010, 05:12 PM

I'd be all for a "nephilim gigantor" based off an ogrun which could be a simple, cheap heavy: One big, powerful weapon, a claw slap, and little wing-things like the protector.

Of course, any kind of alternate carnivean makes me go Hell yeah! To be honest, it was the carnivean that got me into this faction...!

**thechimp** · 03-31-2010, 10:08 PM

maybe a character carni >.<, (PP) hey i know let's make a character warbeast of a carni and make him even more expensive XD ooh i don't know 14 pts?

TBH i think the pic is a character carni tht is breathing fire thts my 2 cents for the day

**Shadowspite** · 04-01-2010, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by Nargacuga

wow.. that would be awesome.

auto-include with pThags and Vayl

Considering that eThags lost the buff he gave to Legionnaires, I'm sure we will see a Legionnaire UA or solo that grants them fearless.

I think they are going to get fearless again through either of the Thag's tier lists.

**Mobile** · 04-01-2010, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by thechimp

maybe a character carni >.<, (PP) hey i know let's make a character warbeast of a carni and make him even more expensive XD ooh i don't know 14 pts?

TBH i think the pic is a character carni tht is breathing fire thts my 2 cents for the day

I like to joke with my cygnaran friend about how my next normal heavy will be 15 points.

**Havock** · 04-01-2010, 05:11 AM

I wouldn't mind as long as it's totally worth those 15 pts

**Neutralyze** · 04-01-2010, 05:25 AM

i can see the character carny costing 12-13 pts. he better be able to rape the behemoth though.

**Zazoo** · 04-01-2010, 05:28 AM

Considering eThag got Cold damage added to his spray attack, Id like to see some beast(s) with cold ranged attacks.

EG a Light with serpentine and SP 8 POW 12 cold attack.

Im really hoping we get a Dragoon tho.
An Idea I had was a Warmonger riding a beast that looks like a teraph only bigger.

**Havock** · 04-01-2010, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by Neutralyze

i can see the character carny costing 12-13 pts. he better be able to rape the behemoth though.

And not just once in a while in a dark alley.

Anytime.

Anytime.

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