Caster Kill Study - Finding the Go To Guy

[gearloop]

Greetings.

I've been thinking a lot about an idea for a continuing thread that can benefit all Menites...

We have the "Menoth Wins" thread, and that's helpful, but we all know it's skewed given the fact that we all like to report our wins and keep quiet about our disgraceful losses. That thread is very useful, but I've got an idea for taking an even closer look at our wins.

In the same vein as Menoth Wins, and perhaps more helpful in list building, I'd like to propose a new study...

The Go to Guy Study.

Which Menoth model ends up killing the enemy caster most often?

Taken out of context, this study can be misleading so there can be a few ground rules for format and establishing relevance.

* Running Tally Copy the running list and add a tick mark to your latest Go To Guy (the model that made the kill in your latest game).

1. Go to Guy - List the model that made the kill in your latest game. Add a tick mark to that model in the running list. This MUST be the model that destroys the caster.

2. Assists - List models that participated in the caster kill either by a) damage b) buffing/ debuffing c)effects (like fire or KD).
Players interested in further hashing out the relevance of a Go To Model for their purposes can peruse the thread and reference these kill conditions.

3. Game Metrics - Caster, Enemy Caster, Point Size, Scenario

Maintenance I'll start with a basic list and some examples and we'll use a sentence structure so the list doesn't get too long. Every so often someone can rearrange the list by order of greatest to least amount of kills. If you have a new model (for instance if you seem to be mopping face with repeated Choir assassination runs lately) you can add it to the list. Mercs count.

Post as many games and as many repetitive kills as you can achieve. Every game is a test and if you win with the same model every time, that's relevant data as well.

If you have multiple games to post, do just one post with multiple tally changes.

Purpose: This may seem like a hair-brained investigation to some, but it's becoming increasingly apparent that there is a very intangible and unquantifiable quality to some models.

Either through a knack for just hanging around 'till the end, sheer qty of table time, or some special ability, some models will surface as the models that seem to always close the deal.

Let's see if we can find some interesting trends and in the meantime, have a focused study on successful kill conditions.

Praise be to Menoth.

[dicegod]

Interesting. I'll be sure to report from my games tonight.

[gearloop]

Avatar(1) Feora2(1) Dervish() Repenter() Reckoner() Vanquisher() Daughters() TFG() Sevvy2()

1. Avatar
2. Anastasia espionage, Gorman blind, Allegiant 9pts, Eiryss strip.
3. Feora2, Siege, 50, Caster Kill

notes- enliven and run Avatar. Anastasia move and esp. Blind with Gorman. Strip with Eiryss, Allegiant advance and attack. Avatar finishes.

1. Feora2
2. None
3. Feora 2, Siege, 50, Caster Kill

notes- Round 3 kill with 6 + 7 focus from feat. Firestep, charge, feat, buy and boost against Arc Shielded Siege. Avg. dice to succeed.

[gearloop]

Interesting. I'll be sure to report from my games tonight.

Cool. Thanks Dicegod. Good luck.

[dicegod]

Does an assist score?

[gearloop]

Does an assist score?

No, only the model. It's the model that finally makes the killing blow. Early on it may seem odd to leave out the big assists but as the number of reports grow, the trends will emerge.

If someone want to drill in on the data they can break down the assists as well and go hog wild with regression analysis, etc. Lots of data here.

I'm trying to leave the in-game context out and only leave the content relative to the kill condition. In some ways, telling the full context would distort the raw data that I think will be beneficial to us.

[SaltyBob]

Casters:Severius(0), Severius2(0), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), Feora2(1), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(0), Harbinger(0), Vindictus(0), Reznik(0)
Jacks:Avatar(1)
Units:
Solos:

1. Feora
2. N/A
3. Feora, Irusk, 35 points, Outflank Outlast...

notes- Last desperate move with double boosted flame throwers with the fire killing Irusk on the next turn.

[darisus]

Casters:Severius(0), Severius2(0), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), Feora2(1), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(0), Harbinger(0), Vindictus(0), Reznik(1)
Jacks:Avatar(1)
Units:
Solos:

1. Reznik
2. Anastatia
3. Reznik, Irusk, 50, Killbox

notes - caster kill from 18" out, Reznik ignites, EOD, charges trooper 12" away, kills it, pops feat strips Irusk's focus, anastatia espionage after amushing on (he was within range at edge of killbox), reznik takes his move and get boosted dice from irusks upkeep of iron flesh, one shot irusk.

[Yentz]

This is from playing MK1 days mind you, but generally the two models that got the most caster kills were...

A. Errant's, usually with Crossbows.
B. Redeemer rockets.

I played pKreoss alot.

[dicegod]

Darisus, insane. Insane.

[Necra-Chi]

I'm in awe.

BTW what if Fire does the finishing blow? If you must attribute it to the model that lit the fire, vanquishers and repenters are going to get a lot of loving.

[Silverstar843]

i certainly attribute the fire to the model that caused it, or else the enemy wouldn't have died to it.

[Poet]

Casters:Severius(0), Severius2(0), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), Feora2(1), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(0), Harbinger(0), Vindictus(0), Reznik(1)
Jacks:Avatar(1) Repenter(1)
Units:
Solos:

1. Repenter
2. Reckoner
3. pKreoss, Mohsar, 35, 'Caster Kill

Notes: pKreoss attempted assassination on turn 2, reckoner rolled 1-1 on vassal shot. Mohsar left alive. Next turn repenter keeps flaming, mohsar on fire and 1 damage. Fire expires. Repenter finishes the job the next turn. Reckoner did lots of damage, but didn't get to shoot on kill turn.

[Poise]

Casters: Severius(0), Severius2(0), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), Feora2(3), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(0), Harbinger(0), Vindictus(0), Reznik(1)
Jacks: Avatar(2), Repenter(1), Vanquisher(1)
Units:
Solos:

1. Vanquisher
2. Vassal, Choir
3. eFeora, Rahn, 35, Caster Kill

Notes: Rahn put himself into a position to be directly shot by the Vanquisher, choir juiced it up, vassal gave it a second shot to lock the deal. Rahn player just didn't see the lane.

1. eFeora
2. Can't remember jack.
3. eFeora, Butcher, 35, Caster Kill

Notes: Random jack I can't remember knocked down butcher with a slam. eFeora followed up.

1. eFeora
2. None
3. eFeora, eFeora, 35, Caster Kill

Notes: Entire armies of both of us practically wiped out.

1. Avatar
2. Brine
3. eFeora, Strakhov, 50, Caster Kill

Notes: Brine slammed Behemoth into Strakhov, Avatar finished the job.

[gearloop]

I'm in awe.

BTW what if Fire does the finishing blow? If you must attribute it to the model that lit the fire, vanquishers and repenters are going to get a lot of loving.

The kill would go to the model causing the fire. Feora2 will get many kills this way I presume.

[Moonblade]

Casters: Severius(0), Severius2(1), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), Feora2(3), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(0), Harbinger(0), Vindictus(0), Reznik(1)
Jacks: Avatar(3), Reckoner (1), Repenter(1), Vanquisher(1)
Units:
Solos:

1. Avatar
2. Severius2
3. Severius2 vs. Butcher, 35pt game.

Note: Sev2 keeps denying Butcher's Iron Flesh with Hex Blast. Feat took Men-o-War who blocked charge lane. Avatar struck twice and ended game.

1. Reckoner
2. Reckoner 2, Sev2, Blessing of Vengeance
3. Severius2 vs. Madrak, 35pt game.

Note: Hex Blast through BoV to Madrak took down Surefoot. Severius 2 charged a Troll Champion who bricked up. Awareness got Reckoner 2's aimed shot to Madrak (Cortex was gone). Reckoner 1 with full fury finishes.

1. Severius2
2. -
3. Severius2 vs. Kaya, 35pt game.

Note: In the game Severius2 killed: 1 War Wolf, 3 Argus, Lord of the Feast, and Kaya.

[dicegod]

Casters: Severius(0), Severius2(1), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), Feora2(3), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(0), Harbinger(0), Vindictus(0), Reznik(1)
Jacks: Avatar(3), Reckoner (1), Repenter(1), Vanquisher(1)
Units: Errants (1)
Solos:

1. Errants
2. Anastasia, Repenter, Aiyana
3. eFeora vs Absylonia, 50pts, Caster kill

Note: I had eFeora lined up to charge Abby. Aiyana gets a lucky Harm on her. Espionage moved Errants up and shot her. Repenter moved closer. Fully boosted Repenter took her to a few wounds an then aiming errant shots put her down. Didn't need eFeora after all

[baronvonchaos]

Casters: Severius(0), Severius2(1), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), Feora2(3), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(1), Harbinger(0), Vindictus(0), Reznik(1)
Jacks: Avatar(3), Reckoner (1), Repenter(1), Vanquisher(1) Castigator (1)
Units:
Solos:

1. Castigator
2. Amon & other jacks (synergy)
3. Amon V. Karchev, 35pts, Mangle Metal

Karchev and towed jacks went after the Avatar and scrapped it. Pulling it out from behind its wall of zerkers. Worked activation Castigator under Mobility charged through the forest and did exactly enough damage to ace Karchy.

[Soylent]

Casters: Severius(0), Severius2(1), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), Feora2(3), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(1), Harbinger(0), Vindictus(0), Reznik(1)
Jacks: Avatar(4), Reckoner (1), Repenter(2), Vanquisher(1) Castigator (1), Dervish(2)
Units: Daughters(1)
Solos:


1. Avatar
2. Enliven, Anastasia
3. Harbinger vs Thagrosh2, Killbox, 35

1. Daughters
2. Crusaders Call, Guided Hand, Anastasia
3. Harbinger vs Kromac, Fight Club, 35

1. Dervish
2. Escort, Battle Hymn, focus, Ignite, bond
3. Feora2 vs Strakov, Killbox 50

1. Dervish
2. Escort, Battle Hymn, focus, Ignite, bond
3. Feora2 vs Kaelyssa, can't remember the scenario, 35

1. Repenter
2. Caustic Presence, Escort, Battle Hymn, focus
3. Feora2 vs Skarre2, Killbox, 35

[IRSMARTLIKEROCK]

Casters: Severius(0), Severius2(1), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), Feora2(3), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(1), Harbinger(1), Vindictus(0), Reznik(1)
Jacks: Avatar(4), Reckoner (1), Repenter(1), Vanquisher(1) Castigator (1), Dervish(2)
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1)
Solos:
Fire:(1)

1. Harbinger
2. Exemplar Vengers
3. Harbinger vs. Saeryn, 50pt game Killbox.

Note: Vengers charge last Angelius and last Seraph killed the Angelius. This free'ed up enough room for Harbinger to charge Seraph brought him down to 4 boxes, and double boosted damage Cataclysms from 4" away against Saeryn. Rolled average and she died even with the transfer.

edit: For the curious I went back and checked to make sure total numbers were right.

[Ssilmath]

Casters: Feora2(3), Reznik(2), Severius2(1), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(1), Harbinger(1), Vindictus(0), Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4), Dervish(2), Reckoner (1), Repenter(1), Vanquisher(1) Castigator (1),
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1)
Solos:

1: Reznik
2: Butcher (Had upkeep spell on himself)
3: Reznick Vs Butcher1, Killbox, 35 point

1: Reckoner
2: Vassal (Ancilliary attack), Chior, Severius (Eye of Menoth)
3: Severius1 Vs Makeda2, Killbox, 50 point

[gearloop]

Casters: Feora2(3), Reznik(2), Severius2(1), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(1), Harbinger(1), Vindictus(0), Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4), Dervish(2), Reckoner (1), Repenter(1), Vanquisher(1) Castigator (1),
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1)
Solos:

I'm removing fire because we need to know the model that that fire comes from.

Be mindful to copy the most recent list so that your additions don't exclude more recent additions.

Interesting so far... keep it coming.

And keep PLAYING!

[Gen_eV]

Casters: Feora2(3), Reznik(2), Severius2(1), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(1), Harbinger(1), Vindictus(0), Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4), Dervish(2), Reckoner (1), Repenter(1), Vanquisher(2) Castigator (1),
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1)
Solos:

1.Vanquisher
2.Choir, Severius (well, he gave it focus)
3.Severius/Siege vs. Butcher/Calandra 100pts

-I'm assuming four-player 2v2 games are still allowed to count, right? For the curious, Butcher got a little carried away trying to reduce the Avatar to scrap, and subsequently got charged by the Vanquisher.

[Zembar]

Casters: Feora2(3), Reznik(2), Severius2(1), Kreoss(0), Kreoss2(0), Feora(1), High Reclaimer(0), Testament(0), Amon(1), Harbinger(1), Vindictus(0), Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4), Dervish(2), Reckoner (2), Repenter(1), Vanquisher(2) Castigator (1), Redeemer(1),
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1)
Solos:

1.Redeemer
2.Reckoner (damage and flare), Choir
3.Kreoss vs Kaelyssa, 50pt league, caster kill

1.Reckoner
2.Choir
3.eFeora vs Asphyxious, 35pt Steamroller, Destruction

Those are the only ones I clearly remember, will keep this in mind for future games though.

[Silverstar843]

Amon Ad-Raza (1), Crusader (1), Reckoner (1)

1) Raza
2) synergy procs from 4 jacks.
3) Raza vs. Sloan, 35 pt., fight club

Sloan used her feat early and I went for it proccing my synergy and charging her.

1) Crusader
2) killing ol'rowdy, avatar, Judgement Day
3) Reznik vs. eStriker, 75 pt., fight club

striker and rowdy were making a beeline for Reznik, I feated, used a crippled avatar + vassal to finish off rowdy lowering his def. Crusader walked up and boosted to hit him and pasted him with 2 shots.

[Silverstar843]

posting from a psp with a character limit. finishing my previous post.

1) Reckoner
2) vassal, crusader, judgement day
3) Reznik vs eGorshade, 25 pts., caster kill

Crusader walked over to clear out a pair of the reach Bane knights. Vassal gave a shot to an iron aggressioned reckoner who killed the last one in the way.Reznik charged Tartarus to get goreshade in range of the feat. Wiped his focus and charged with the Reckoner, Consecrating him. The incence really helps with the smell.

[gearloop]

Casters: Feora2(3) Reznik(2) Severius2(1) Kreoss(0) Kreoss2(0) Feora(1) High Reclaimer(0) Testament(0) Amon(2) Harbinger(1) Vindictus(0) Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4) Dervish(2) Reckoner(3) Repenter(1) Vanquisher(2) Crusader(1) Castigator(1) Redeemer(1)
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1)
Solos:

[darisus]

Casters: Feora2(3) Reznik(3) Severius2(1) Kreoss(0) Kreoss2(0) Feora(1) High Reclaimer(0) Testament(0) Amon(2) Harbinger(1) Vindictus(0) Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4) Dervish(2) Reckoner(3) Repenter(1) Vanquisher(2) Crusader(1) Castigator(1) Redeemer(1)
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1)
Solos:

1. Reznik
2. Bastions
3. Reznik vs eCaine, 35pt, capture the flag

eCaine feat turn going for caster kill on Reznik, had bastions soak alot of the damage, he got 3 shots at pow 16,17,18 at reznik camping 4 focus, damage rolls had reznik at 2 health for last shot and he rolled double ones to hit. Reznick charges feats and oneshots him at 12" range

[Ssilmath]

Casters: Feora2(3) Reznik(3) Severius2(1) Kreoss(0) Kreoss2(0) Feora(1) High Reclaimer(0) Testament(0) Amon(2) Harbinger(1) Vindictus(0) Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4) Dervish(2) Reckoner(4) Repenter(1) Vanquisher(3) Crusader(1) Castigator(1) Redeemer(1)
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1)
Solos:

1: Vanquisher
2: Reznik, Fire
3: Reznik Vs Callandra, Killbox, 35 Points

Troll player left a gap between models allowing Vanquisher to get a shot, Fire had damaged her to low HP. Reznik popped his feat, then Vanquisher boosted hit and damage to kill.

1: Reckoner
2: Kreoss2, Vassal, Guardian, Bastions
3: Kreoss2 Vs Strakov, Killbox, 50 Points

Kreoss 2 feat turn, Guardian and a Bastion finish off a Kodiak to allow Reckoner to move around Behemoth and into reach of Strakov. Had a crippled censer arm, so boosted damage twice. Vassal moved up and used Ancillary Attack for the final hit.

[Silverstar843]

thanks, gear, for adding my kills into the copy + paste tally.

[Moonblade]

Casters: Feora2(3) Reznik(3) Severius2(1) Kreoss(0) Kreoss2(0) Feora(1) High Reclaimer(0) Testament(0) Amon(2) Harbinger(1) Vindictus(0) Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4) Dervish(2) Reckoner(4) Repenter(1) Vanquisher(3) Crusader(1) Castigator(1) Redeemer(1)
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1)
Solos: Vilmon (1)

1. Vilmon
2. Harbinger, Avatar
3. Harbinger vs. eMorghoul

Note: eMorghoul who was aiming to assassinate harby gets tied by Avatar's Gaze. Vilmon charged from the side and with MAT 9 topped with Guided Hand he one-shot eMorghoul.

[dicegod]

Is it telling that there is only one solo kill and two unit kills so far?

I think so.

[gearloop]

Indeed. Very telling.

I'm actually enjoying reading all of the various kill conditions in the brief summary format. Very educational and a darn quick way to study a wide array of match ups.

[Bruan]

The vassal contributes a great deal to a lot of the jack kills.

[zulu81]

Casters: Feora2(3) Reznik(3) Severius2(1) Kreoss(0) Kreoss2(0) Feora(1) High Reclaimer(0) Testament(0) Amon(2) Harbinger(1) Vindictus(0) Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4) Dervish(2) Reckoner(4) Repenter(1) Vanquisher(3) Crusader(2) Castigator(1) Redeemer(2)
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1)
Solos: Vilmon (1)

(eButcher's Death)
1. Redeemer
2. 2nd Redeemer, Deliverers
3. Amon & pSevy vs. eVlad & eButcher, 100 points, Gauntlent

Note: eButcher (fully healthy) was caught in the open with no focus after killing 3 Bastions. 7 Deliverers combined for a POW 17 (EoM), first Redeemer aimed boost to hit and boosted for damage a POW 15, second Redeemer aimed boosted to hit boosted to damage a POW 15. Dead eButcher.

(eVlad's Death)
1. Crusader
2. Amon Ad Raza
3. Amon & pSevy vs. eVlad & eButcher, 100 points, Gauntlent

Note: eVlad had moved up to kill Fires of Salvation so a feated Iron Fang Pike Man could get the charge off on Amon leaving Vlad with no focus. Amon survived. Amon walked up and smited eVlad (fully healthy), boosting to hit. Smited him 2 inches but out of Amon's reach. Crusader trampled in and hit Vlad twice with POW 18's. Dead eVlad.

[zulu81]

Casters: Feora2(4) Reznik(3) Severius2(1) Kreoss(0) Kreoss2(0) Feora(1) High Reclaimer(0) Testament(0) Amon(2) Harbinger(1) Vindictus(0) Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4) Dervish(2) Reckoner(4) Repenter(1) Vanquisher(3) Crusader(2) Castigator(1) Redeemer(2) Devout (1)
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1)
Solos: Vilmon (1)

1. Devout
2. N/A
3. Amon vs. eVlad, 50 points, Killbox

Note: Battle Hymned Devout charged eVlad at the end of a +4 Synergy chain (MAT 12 POW 19). Vlad was camping 4 focus so was dice -1 on damage. Hit on all three attacks. Dead eVlad.

1. eFeora
2. Redeemer (sort of)
3. eFeora vs eVlad, 50 points, Caster Kill

Note: Bonded Redeemer on second turn bounced a shot into Vlad and Vlad burnt for two turns failing his fire checks (was out of Feora's control) and taking 6 damage. Vlad had come up to kill Vlimon, who was in Impervious Wall, so that Drago could wreck my Reckoner. Feora feats getting 6 focus, pulls a focus off a wrack, casts ignite on her self, firesteps to get charge vector, charges Vlad (taking a free strike from Drago). Misses boosted charge swing. Buys swing, boost to hit and damage. Buys and boosts to hit and misses. Buys, boosts to hit and boosts to damage. Dead eVlad.

[Mage Knight Kevin]

Casters: Feora2(4) Reznik(3) Severius2(1) Kreoss(0) Kreoss2(0) Feora(1) High Reclaimer(0) Testament(0) Amon(2) Harbinger(2) Vindictus(0) Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4) Dervish(2) Reckoner(4) Repenter(1) Vanquisher(3) Crusader(2) Castigator(1) Redeemer(2) Devout (1)
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1)
Solos: Vilmon (1)

1. Harbinger
2. Devout
3. Harbinger vs Magnus the Traitor, 15, Caster Kill

[LasseKongo]

Casters: Feora2(4) Reznik(4) Severius2(1) Kreoss(0) Kreoss2(0) Feora(1) High Reclaimer(0) Testament(0) Amon(2) Harbinger(2) Vindictus(0) Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4) Dervish(2) Reckoner(4) Repenter(1) Vanquisher(3) Crusader(2) Castigator(1) Redeemer(2) Devout (1)
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1), Bastions (1)
Solos: Vilmon (1)

2 Games

Game 1

1. Reznik
2. Covenant - no spells for you mr eStryker
3. Reznik vs eStryker, 20pts, some SR2010 senario

Game 2

1. Bastions
2. pEiryss - hit caster
3. Harbinger vs Madhammer, 20 pts, some SR2010 senario


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[Moonblade]

What? No Templar kills yet? Here's one.

Casters: Feora2(4) Reznik(4) Severius2(1) Kreoss(0) Kreoss2(0) Feora(1) High Reclaimer(0) Testament(0) Amon(2) Harbinger(2) Vindictus(0) Severius(0)
Jacks: Avatar(4) Dervish(2) Reckoner(4) Repenter(1) Vanquisher(3) Crusader(2) Castigator(1) Redeemer(2) Devout (1) Templar(1)
Units: Daughters(1), Errants (1), Bastions (1)
Solos: Vilmon (1)

1. Templar
2. Vilmon, Choir
3. Harbinger vs. eGoreshade, 35pt.

Note: Vilmon took him 7 damages down, then died to Tartarus. eGoreshade killed a Crusader. Templar moved in from behind wrecked Crusader and ended game.

[Silverstar843]

What? No Templar kills yet? Here's one.

Yeah, kinda surprised, myself. Templar has killed more casters for me than anyone else, just not in my recorded games.