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    Yeah, I'm not sure about Gravediggers, but I totally expect Squire to be into a Storm Brigade army, being one of the pinnacles of Cygnar's tech that are almost always testfield on Stryker's and Nemo's Storm Brigade...

    I agree that the potential issue will be more if the bonuses are going to be worth losing merc solos (like Ragman or Pyper) and probably also GMCA (that doesn't fit the Storm Brigade very much).
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    Will its buffs apply to Storm Lances or is this an effort to get people to play Blades and Guards?

    If 1, probably playable!

    If 2, unlikely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarskeMannen View Post
    Will its buffs apply to Storm Lances or is this an effort to get people to play Blades and Guards?

    If 1, probably playable!

    If 2, unlikely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leo_neil316 View Post
    Whatever it is, it'll be better than streetsweepers or huntsmen. And I won a game with huntsmen once.
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    I think it will most likely be a "For every x points of Storm Knight models you get a free small base solo, free solos don't count towards these points" and a small benefit (electro damage, accuracy buff?). Most likely something with electro leaps or electric damage, since they say "electric vibe". The problem that I see is that they will probably not distinguish between Stormguard, Blades or Lances and also it will be 20 points, like in Trolls. No one would take the Guard, because the Blades are better and no one will take the Blades because the Lances are better and 5 fill 20 points... I hope they do something like: for every X Storm Knight models, you get Y. Then it would make sense to take the "cheap" Stormguard And sadly this buff is probably not for Stormguard, and certainly not for Stormguard alone.

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    BTW, once the theme is announced, just keep using this thread, I (or another mod) will rename the thread to indicate the theme force has been revealed.

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    Ugh what if it's take 20 points of storm knights get a free pod of stormcallers...
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    Or worse, take 20 points of stormcallers to get a free stormguard unit!
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    It's here:

    Cygnar warcasters
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    • Storm Knight models/units
    • Stormsmith models/units
    • Journeyman Warcaster solos
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    This army can include the Mercenary solo Savio Montero Acosta.

    For every full 20 points of Storm Knight and Stormsmith models/units in this army, you can
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    solo to the army free of cost. Free models/units do not count toward the total point value of
    Storm Knight and Stormsmith models/units in the army when calculating this bonus.

    Models/units in this army gain Immunity: Electricity
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    Stormblade units in this army gain Advance Move. (Before the start of the game but after both
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    Couple of quick thoughts:

    1) Savio is here, but sadly not Friendly Faction.

    2) Stormguards get nothing, so they'll remain on the shelf.

    3) Stormblades get something... Enough to use them over Stormlances?

    4) The biggest point in the list is free models. Are they worth it for the loss of Ragman/Pyper/GMCA ?
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    Its up!

    My Nemo3 list would have to ditch its GMCA and trencher master gunner, but is looking at around 10 points free, maybe 15 if I really tweaked it, which is interesting. And the Blades gain advance move too.

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    It's interesting that the free solo benefit is not typed. So you can spend the free solo slots on expensive stuff like Savio, SBCs, and a Squire, and use 4-point blocks to buy Strangewayes or a Junior.
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    Slightly random question that came to mind: Would a steamroller objective gain Immunity: Electricity as well?

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    Well, I really suffer some faction envy. There, I said it. I hope that the themes in the command book will be a bit more in the Khador and Retribution #designspace, because even though I did not have high hopes, but effectively giving Immunity-Electricity to 'Caster, maybe few jacks and Junior(s) (ok, technically Mechanics too..) is pretty dull.
    I'm sure there will be ways to grind for points here, and it may be worth it. It's just not that inspiring as I hoped it will be.
    But, I'll deffinitely give it a go - I liked the advance move on Stormblades before, and I still own two full deathstars
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladestorm View Post
    Slightly random question that came to mind: Would a steamroller objective gain Immunity: Electricity as well?
    Looks that way. It's in the Army list, so...
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    Piper is a huge loss. No pathfinder for Styker2/3? Acosta not FF? It's a fun list, but I will be sticking with my old lists. I really wanted that Ret Theme.
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    Free CAs or solos and advance move for stormblades? Totally called it.


    Electric immunity seems underwhelming as most of the models are already immune.
    And now with advance move it's even harder to justify bringing stormguard in their fro t like e roll. Maybe if it had been all small based storm knight models.
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    Link, in case anyone wants it. (Now, off to edit the thread name.)

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    I figure this list ends up not changing the Stormguard situation at all, at least for now. But if we get a good CA for them or a solo that buffs just Stormguard, this theme would help a little.

    Oh, and I figure the electric immunity is mostly for the benefit of the non-character Warjacks and the Juniors.

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    I'm thinking of trying something with Maddox. Jr access means two units of AS Stormblades with advance move. I know it's probably better just to take two units of Lance's but I haven't put my blades on the table since the first week of mk3
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    This gives us a really short ranged slow army sans Storm Lances. I appreciate giving Stormblades advanced move but that doesn't really make them worthwhile it just fixes their biggest issue.

    I don't think losing access to pathfinder, threat extension, clouds, concealment, and rat/mat fixing is worth it sans new models or model changes.

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    The list I use that I was most hopeful this would affect really just takes away the option for pathfinder. I made a Stryker3 list with two units of storm guard just so I could try to put that unit on the table. It has two solos: a storm blade captain and Runewood. Without Runewood the list has no pathfinder, and no potential to get it

    Why the Stormblade Captain lost his Relentless Charge rules I'll never know.

    Regardless, that single restriction is not worth a free SBC. A unit that only threatens 10" on a charge is not a unit that wants to be inhibited by terrain, especially since our jacks can't have pathfinder outside of Kraye/Maddox.
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    I wish the Cygnar list at least made Savio Acosta a Faction model...

    I'll have to try it to judge... It is quite open and lets a lot of lists inside it, but the bonuses aran't particulary impressive...

    Electrical immunity when 90% of the permitted models are alread electrical immune is highly situational, the Stormblade Advanced Move is nice but I'm not sure it is enough to make people play them and not just play Stormlances in their stead (So it risks to be useless since people could not play Stormblades into it), so it all reduces to 1-2 free small based solos (4-8 points), in exchange of the ability to field Ragman, Pyper, GMCA, Sylis, Lanyssa, Alten Ashley, Trenchers and all other mercs/not stormknight goodies (and also no Rowdy outside Stryker, no Thorn outside Haley, no Gallant at all :P , no Dynamo outside Nemo)...


    Dunno... I need to field test it, but for sure it doesn't change things a lot... I agree with Dave on that... You can play most lists almost unchanged into it, just trading all the merc stuff, GMCA and Char Jacks for basically around 8-10 free points).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naex View Post
    This gives us a really short ranged slow army sans Storm Lances. I appreciate giving Stormblades advanced move but that doesn't really make them worthwhile it just fixes their biggest issue.

    I don't think losing access to pathfinder, threat extension, clouds, concealment, and rat/mat fixing is worth it sans new models or model changes.
    Well, the Storm Strider is in (it's a "Stormsmith model") so there's your RAT fixer, at least.
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    Guys, guys, guise...

    Minutemen sparknodes.

    That's pretty much all I've got here. Advance move is nice, but none of the solos that offer Pathfinder is kinda rough.
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    Yeah, it's bad. God-damn it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleet01 View Post
    Well, the Storm Strider is in (it's a "Stormsmith model") so there's your RAT fixer, at least.
    If you include the Storm Strider, you're really limiting the potential for free points. And right now I don't feel like the restrictions are worth only an Advance Move for Storm Blades, since only the Mechanik unit, Jakes, Jr., and potentially jacks would gain the Immunity benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gentleman.general View Post
    If you include the Storm Strider, you're really limiting the potential for free points. And right now I don't feel like the restrictions are worth only an Advance Move for Storm Blades, since only the Mechanik unit, Jakes, Jr., and potentially jacks would gain the Immunity benefit.
    Why? Actually, the Stormstrider alone almost grant a free model by itself (also Stormsmith models count for the 20 points).

    Basically, StormStriders in this list cost around 14 points (net)...
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    My initial take is the only way people are gonna take this is with 2x units of Lances, using the free points to get Acosta and Squire. Then just load up on jr, laddermore, and jacks. It does sound funny to give some minutemen lightning immune them blast them with a bunch of lances and other leap stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gentleman.general View Post
    If you include the Storm Strider, you're really limiting the potential for free points.
    How? That's 18 points towards your first "full 20 points of Storm Knight and Stormsmith models/units in this army". I mean, if you want to maximize your lightning ranged output and your free solos, that's a great start.

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    Sigh. I think that it is better to confess that they are hate Storm Knights.

    Well, it is bad as I expected. But I didn't expect that it is so bad.

    The only interesting part is give the immunity to all models. Mechanics needs immunity too, and it is actually a good fluff backup.

    Give Advance Move to the second line unit is no more than joking, and the worse thing is, it is one of the special effect on the theme force. Well, did they ever plays a game by Cygnar models, especially with storm knights?

    I don't think that there is a reason to play the theme unless you are want to have a fun game and doesn't care for the performance at all. Even with Storm lances spamming, I think that its benefits are hardly justifies to forfeit Rhupert and/or Runewood.
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    Remove "models in this army gain immunity to electricity" and replace with "storm strikers begin the game with 3 power tokens" and MAYBE it would be taken seriously.

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    I'm super excited. Basically the list I theorycrafted on page 1 now seems like so much freakin' fun and I can't wait to play it:

    Cygnar Army - 74 / 75 points

    (Stryker 1) Commander Coleman Stryker [+30]
    - Hurricane [39]
    Journeyman Warcaster [4]
    - Firefly [8]
    Captain Arlan Strangewayes [4]
    Savio Montero Acosta [0] - Free!
    Stormblade Infantry [10]
    - Stormblade Infantry Officer & Standard [0] - Free!
    - Stormblade Infantry Storm Gunner (3) [6]
    Stormblade Infantry [10]
    - Stormblade Infantry Officer & Standard [5]
    - Stormblade Infantry Storm Gunner (3) [6]
    Storm Lances (min) [12]

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    Up in War Room, too, if anyone was wondering.
    Though I'm not 100% sure Laddermore is counting for the 20 points of Storm Knight models thing. I add Stormblades with 1 WA (12) and her (8) I should be getting a freebie, but it doesn't trigger.

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    It's 1 point shy of making a list I think would be decent. We need a 7 point Warjack and this works:

    Stryker2
    - Firefly
    - Firefly
    - Ironclad
    Jr (free)
    - Firefly
    Full Blades + UA (Free UA)
    Full Blades + UA (Free UA)
    Laddermore
    Min Lances
    Min Lances

    Sadly you can never take JR and Laddermore and get 3 free solos, since you're left with 15 points to play with after your obligatory units.

    As far as the pathfinder issue, I think Maddox or Haley3 are the obvious options to look into. I played a smoke-less Haley3 list back in the day, and having 12-15 free points makes up to some degree for the lack of Revive.

    Though I'm not 100% sure Laddermore is counting for the 20 points of Storm Knight models thing.
    I think it's Storm Knight units and Stormsmith Model/Units. The way it's worded is unclear though.

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    Well, I have a reason to play the list.

    That being that I already have it, resulting in one of my lists spontaneously gaining 9 points. I'm using pretty much no other bonus granted by the theme (other than I guess Junior being immune to Electricity), but suddenly a wild Laddermore appeared, so I'll take it.

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    This would be my first crack at it, using things that I mostly own:

    N3mo
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    -Squire
    -Dynamo
    -Stormclad
    Jr
    -Firefly
    Major Katherine
    Stormblade Captain (Free)
    Storm Lances (Full)
    Stormblade Infantry
    UA (free)
    Gunner
    Gunner
    Gunner
    Mechanics

    Looks at least like a solid starting point.

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    I think it's Storm Knight units and Stormsmith Model/Units. The way it's worded is unclear though.
    There is neither units nor model/units after Storm Knight though. The only way to read "For every full 20 points of Storm Knight and Stormsmith models/units in this army" is to apply Models/units to both. It is likely just a war room error, which happens all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Aegis View Post
    Why? Actually, the Stormstrider alone almost grant a free model by itself (also Stormsmith models count for the 20 points).

    Basically, StormStriders in this list cost around 14 points (net)...
    I clearly wasn't thinking when I typed that. That's my only reasoning, however weak it may be.

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    um squire isn't counting as free with 20 points of knights/smiths is this a glitch?

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    another fun glitch, darius can be in the list but halfjacks can't, how long til warroom updates?

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