Offline List Builder

[PG_Snoitpo]

Does anyone have a version of iBodgers or something like it that works offline? I would like to have this available but my phone doesn't do internet and the game store I play at has no wireless connection.

[LostBlue]

I have a working version for some time now.
I update it every once in a while, usually monthly, but I've fell behind a few times.

It's still in beta, and the auto-update feature is not up yet, but if you're interested you can look at my skydrive.


Minimum requirements:
A Windows OS with the .NET framework 2.0 installed (any Windows 98SE or higher can support this). If you have Windows XP service pack 3 or any later version of Windows, .NET 2.0 is installed by default.


I also have other programs I made for Steam Roller tournaments.
I'll be updating those soon as just I finished up catching up with my other projects and now have time to work on them.


I've debated about posting the army list construction program for quite a while now as I never got permission from Privateer, but I've been pressured to post it. If it's a problem I will delete this post and the program. I will not be making a dedicated thread for this program nor will I inform this board if I post an update as I'm still weary whether I should be even posting the program at all.

[PG_Duckboy]

This type of program is in demand for a few people.

[Blackyujiro]

Awesome App, there. I read the release notes, and it seems you're missing Captain Gunnbjorn

[randall3rd]

Great program you have there! I've been playing around with it and will be using it in the future.

[imweasel]

I love your program, but I seem to have some problems with the latest build on cygnar.

eStryker's tier list doesn't seem to work quite right. After adding tier units, stormclads change in cost from 9pts to 10pts.

I can't add Ol' Rowdy at all with either Stryker because it states there is animosity.

[LostBlue]

Yes, there are a few problems with (Build 20100916).
So far I have identified the Animosity bug and a FA bug which are both limited to this Build. I already have a fix for them, but I'm still waiting for my Trollblood book to come in before I release the next Build. Probably sometime after the Legion book update, I'll be implementing an automatic updater as I'll be testing out those functions soon along with a few other functions I want to implement in my Tournament Organizer/Analyzer program.

[imweasel]

Yes, there are a few problems with (Build 20100916).
So far I have identified the Animosity bug and a FA bug which are both limited to this Build. I already have a fix for them, but I'm still waiting for my Trollblood book to come in before I release the next Build. Probably sometime after the Legion book update, I'll be implementing an automatic updater as I'll be testing out those functions soon along with a few other functions I want to implement in my Tournament Organizer/Analyzer program.

Sounds great. In the meantime I have reverted back to the build prior to this one.

Hopefully you can get the tier eStryker thing fixed as well...

[LostBlue]

Hopefully you can get the tier eStryker thing fixed as well...

I completely read over that yesterday.
I've identified that bug. I think that bug might in some earlier versions and it affects other tier lists so I'll post an update. This update fixes all the bugs you've listed. Trollbloods will still have to wait until the next Build as I haven't received my book yet.

[PG_thegreatblah]

Been playing with this all morning and am loving it so far.. Very cool

[TheSpacePope]

LostBlue, I just downloaded your program and I love it!!! I hope the update will be....well up soon so that I can use it more and more. Great work man and keep it up.

[PG_Duckboy]

PLease fix drago and beasts 09. they have animosity instead of affinity associated to their casters.

[LostBlue]

PLease fix drago and beasts 09. they have animosity instead of affinity associated to their casters.

I cannot reproduce this error in the current Build.
I recall that bug being in Build 20100916.
The current Build is 20101121. Please install the new Build.
The newer Builds have an automatic updater, just FYI.


Some news.
* There should be a new Build this weekend which is a pretty big update with a lot of interesting new features.
All models from NQ33 and Circle Orboros have been already added.

* Since Microsoft is making some changes to SkyDrive starting Jan 2011, all programs I've made will be relocated to a new site in the near future. I'll post something within a few weeks in this regard.

* SR programs are pending due to SR2011 is on the horizon. I'll post a new version of this when I figure out where I'll be hosting the files.

* Since I haven't been slap on the hand yet, even after I have PM and emailed PPS about these programs several times, I guess I'll start being more bold about the announcements in the future and inform the forum about updates from now on.


If you have Q's, requests, bug reports, etc just post it here and I'll follow up on them.

-- LostBlue

[LostBlue]

Updated posted. (Build 20101211)

You can download the installer here if you need to:
http://cid-f4e58cf9dec68c8e.office.l...eation%20Tools


List of Updates:
---------------
v2.0 Beta, Build 20101211
---------------

* Added Frankenstein List creation.
* Added Models from No Quarter #33
* Added Models from Forces of HORDES: Circle Orboros
* Added Force Theme from Forces of HORDES: Circle Orboros
* Added Keyboard Shortcuts for Save ( Ctrl+S ), Save as...( F12 ), Print ( Ctrl+P ), Print Preferences ( Shift+P ), Print Preview ( P ), Toogle Model Information ( I )

* Updated User Manual.
* Updated various data structures

* Typo: Fixed some typos in the descriptions to Legion theme lists
* Typo: Blackfrost Shard (Legion Character Unit)
* Typo: Funereal Castigator (Nightfall: 2010 League model)

* Fixed Contract Field Officer bug.
This flag was not properly reset when an FA:0 model added by the contract was deleted if it had attachments on it when deleted.

* Fixed Ally Model error in the new Sort Algorithm.

* Fixed error in (Kaya the Moonhunter's Theme Army: Call of the Wild) Tier 4 benefit.
Program was not reducing the cost of the warbeast.

* Fixed error in (Supreme Kommandant Irusk's Theme Army: The Art of War) Tier 1 benefit.
Winter Guard Rifle Corps were not allowing extra Field Guns or Mortars over FA for each Rifle Corp included.

* Fixed error in (The High Reclaimer's Theme Army: The Flames of Reclaimation) model selection.
The Testament of Menoth was showing up in the model list. (Removed)

* Fixed error in (Witch Coven of Garlghast's Theme Army: Auguries of War) model selection.
Egregore was not being added with the Coven.

* Added Feature: Model Information Tooltip

Hover the mouse over a model. You can now view what special rules they have!

This can be turn on/off by toggling the option in Tool->Toogle: View Model Info
Hotkey: I

[LostBlue]

I like to take this space to show some recent features which were added in the various updates that people might not be aware about.

• Need to see the Tier Benefits and Requirements?
  Notice that there is a big [ + ] under Theme. Click that to see this:
  
  

• View Model Information
  When you hover the mouse over a model, you will see their Advantages, Spell List, and Weapon Qualities.
  This can be turned on/off by toggling the option in Tool->Toogle: View Model Info
  Hotkey: I

• Frankenstein
  Have you ever wanted to make a crazy list like this?
  
  
  You can now. Select Frankenstein when you choose a Faction.

[LostBlue]

• Looking for a model? Try pressing CTRL + F or goto Tools -> Find
  
  
  
  You can search for models this way easily (not case sensitive).
  
  By default, it looks only at the display name, but if you want to look for special rules or words within the model's subtitle (ex: Stealth), just check the Search Keywords box.

• Filter (F3 or Tools -> Filter)
  
  Tired of scrolling down through a list of models you never going to take?
  Filter them!
  
  
  
  If you want to do a more advance filter, use the Text Filter.
  The Text Filter will look through the model's keywords. So you can filter models with Stealth, or are Morrowan, or Undead, etc.
  
  There's some more advance methods by using these operators:
  
  • + (AND)
  • ; (OR)
  • *(WILDCARD)
  
  
  
  Example:
  
  

[LostBlue]

League Models (L or Army -> Use League Models)
Want to make list using the Seasonal League Models?

[LostBlue]

• Did you know you can store personal notes about your army when you save your army?
  Tools -> User's Notes or hit F4
  

• When you print as a List, there are some interesting features.
  (File -> Print Preference or SHIFT+P)
  
  
  • Check the Print Description to get a detail information about the rules for the army when you print.
    (ex: Tier restrictions, benefits, what models were allowed, etc)
  • Check the Print's User Notes to print out your personal notes you wrote on the army
  
  

[LostBlue]

Sorry that I had to break it up into so many posts.
The forum wouldn't allow me to post it in one post.


Anywho, there are other minor features, but I think those might looked over if you didn't know they existed.

[Northern Ronin]

I've tried to download and install it a few times, but any time I try to start up the program, gives me an error, is there a tag along or base program also needed that I didn't find in this thread? (Error is listed as "Failed to initialize Properly (0x00001350)", offering only "Ok to Terminate application".

This is running on Windows XP.

[LostBlue]

That error code, I believe means that you do not have .NET 2.0 installed on your system.


If you're running XP, see if you have Service Pack 3 or later installed.
If not, you might not have .NET 2.0 installed.

One easy way to check if you have .NET 2.0 to this:

1. Open up any window.
2. In the explorer bar type this: %WINDIR%\Microsoft.NET\Framework

If this folder exists, you have some version of .NET
In this folder, you should see several folders labeled:
v#.#.####
where # is some numerical value. Each of these folder is just a different version of .NET on your system.
If you see one with v2.#.#### then you have .NET 2.0

If not, then I suggest running Windows Update or go here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/e...displaylang=en

to download the current version of .NET (current version is 4)
It's quite a big download.


If you have a 32-bit Windows, you can download this instead:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/e...displaylang=en

This is just .NET 2.0 (which is a small download).
This should work on any version of Win 98SE or later.



If you already have .NET 2.0 installed, then uninstall mkII - FCU (There is an uninstaller in the folder where you put the program) and try installing it again.

[Northern Ronin]

Ah, ok, thanks! (Have been having OS problems, normally fixed by me using a crowbar, apparently crowbars and savage beatings to computers don't install needed programs!).

[LostBlue]

I had a report that the save files from earlier Builds were not working with the Build 20101211.
I posted a fix for this today.

[PG_thegreatblah]

Thanks again for this LostBlue, having an offline list builder is just what the doctor ordered since my lgs is still using dialup and the laptop finds not wifi in his dungeon.

[TheSpacePope]

I love this Builder, thanks for the update and I hope you keep it going

[imweasel]

Build 1220 has issues with it.

For cygnar, anytime you add precursor knights to your list, they create animosity and you cannot add additional units. Everything is grey'ed out.

[LostBlue]

Well, that's an annoying bug.
I've identified the problem and uploaded the fix.
If there is any other bugs, please post here or PM me.

[imweasel]

Well, that's an annoying bug.
I've identified the problem and uploaded the fix.
If there is any other bugs, please post here or PM me.

Seems to be working ok atm. I will take a deeper look at the cygnar side over the holiday weekend.

Thanks for the quick fix and Merry Christmas!

[LostBlue]

Build 20110109 is up.
You still can download it here on my SkyDrive:
http://cid-f4e58cf9dec68c8e.office.l...eation%20Tools

All Models and Theme Forces from Forces of Hordes: Minions are included.


Full list of updates:

---------------
v2.0 Beta, Build 20110109
---------------
* Added and Updated Models from Forces of HORDES: Minions

* Added Theme Forces from Forces of HORDES: Minions

* Did a small speed optimization in Frankenstein list creation

* Rewrote the logic in the Animosity error check to better interact with the new database

* Typo Brine: Warbeast Bond[Rorsh]

* Point Correction [5]: Woldwatcher (Circle Warbeast)
Thank you, TheSpacePope

* Model Count Correction [3, 5]: Tharn Wolf Riders (Circle Light Cavalry Unit)
Thank you, TheSpacePope

[wadders]

Great system, intuitive and well laid out.

However - found one bug - looks like the Rengrave costing is incorrect at 1pt (Terminus Tier List)

[LostBlue]

Thank you for informing me of the error. The error has been identified and fixed.
But since it's a very small error that only affects that particular tier list, I will bundle it with the next update with anything new from the next NQ.

[wargolem]

OMG this is an AWESOME list builder. Thank you so much for the hard work. One question is there any way to have it print the unit information when you print? Like when i mouse over a unit and it shows it's abilities, that is what i would like it to print with the detailed description selection.

[quindraco]

Is there any way to change the order the models are sorted in? When I click on the column headings, nothing happens.

[LostBlue]

OMG this is an AWESOME list builder. Thank you so much for the hard work. One question is there any way to have it print the unit information when you print? Like when i mouse over a unit and it shows it's abilities, that is what i would like it to print with the detailed description selection.

No, there is not a way to print out the model's information.

tl;dr answer
While it is very easy to input the code to allow for it, I do not want to do so at this time. The reason why this info is in the program is b/c various tier list require this information (Cryx and Legion Tiers are good examples as well as lists like Blindwater). I gave access to this information for viewing only as I thought it'll be a useful tool for list building (such as with the filters or find options) and reduce the need to go back and forth between book to look up small details. I feel comfortable with this as this type of information is also available on sites like battlecollege for viewing purposes, however, I am not comfortable allowing users to easily print this information. The print function is there to allow other players/TOs to see your lists (and info/benefits retaining to the list itself) and give players an alternative way to track damage. I do not want the print function to become a replacement for the cards. I feel if I allowed model information to be printed it becomes a step in that direction, and I am not comfortable with that at this time. I do see the merits of doing so, especially with special League models (L) that do not have cards perse, but I think it's just not the right thing to do.

I apologize for the inconvenience, but I hope you can understand.

Is there any way to change the order the models are sorted in? When I click on the column headings, nothing happens.

Unfortunately, no.
It was a design decision to not allow for the users to do their own sorts.

I can offer some suggestions, however.
If you are just looking for models, you can use the Find function (CTRL + F) or you can use the Filter function (F3) to reduce the models you need to look through.

The Text Filter option in the Filter function is quite a useful tool for this purpose.
You can do more advance filters by using these operators with your search terms in the Text Filter:

* for Wildcard
+ for AND
; for OR

I hope this helps.
If you just feel the sort is just plain illogical and trying to understand the logic, I can give you a tldr answer if this is what you want to know.

[quindraco]

I would love to hear the explanation for the default sort, but I remain disappointed at being unable to impose my own preferred order on the models.

What about imposing my own color preferences? E.g. coloring a model's line's background color, or its text? Or changing the color used for the currently highlighted line?

[PG_gorkij]

Nice application. I like it. Found a wee thingy while playing around with the Khador lists though, Battle Mechanics are listed as Leader and 2 Grunts as a base option. Should be Leader and 3 Grunts.

Keep up the good work!

[LostBlue]

Nice application. I like it. Found a wee thingy while playing around with the Khador lists though, Battle Mechanics are listed as Leader and 2 Grunts as a base option. Should be Leader and 3 Grunts.

Keep up the good work!

Thank you for informing me of the error. This will be corrected in the next update which might be tomorrow.

I would love to hear the explanation for the default sort, but I remain disappointed at being unable to impose my own preferred order on the models.

The sort works as follows:

1. The program determines which models can be taken.
   
2. The program then groups the models by Faction then Non-Faction
   Faction
   Non-Faction
   
3. The program then groups models by their Major Model Type
   (Caster, Jack/Beast, Solo, Unit)
   
   Faction
   - Caster
   - Jack/Beast
   - Solo
   - Unit
   Non-Faction
   - Caster
   - Jack/Beast
   - Solo
   - Unit
   
   * To break down this step a bit more:
   Casters -> Warcasters before Warlocks
   Jack/Beasts -> Warjacks before Warbeasts. Heavies then Lights then Lessers.
   Solos - Caster Attachments before all other Solos
   Units - UA and WA are considered Units.
   
4. Each of the above groups is then further groupped by their sub-alliance. Sub-alliance are models that are their own mini-factions.
   (Standard, Rhulic, Privateer, Thornfall, Blindwater, etc)
   
   Example:
   Faction
   -Unit
   -- Standard Unit
   -- Rhulic Unit
   -- Privateer Unit
   -- Thornfall Unit
   -- Blindwater Unit
   etc
   
5. These groups are then sorted.
   
   1. If the Major Model Type is not a Unit, then characters are brought to the top of their Major Model Type Group.
      
      * For units, the Character prioritizing is ignored. This is b/c some units have Character Attachments which can make them into Character Units, so it was my opinion that it was better to not to make the program isolate these characters away from their base unit. I didn't want to setup an additional rules for this sort so all units are treated this way (not just attachments).
      
      ** Characters are sorted alphabetically by their sur name.
      I mainly did this as Privateer Press did this with majority of the (non-unit) characters in their Force books.
      
      *** If multiple versions of the characters exists, then they are sorted by the order they came out.
      
   2. Each of the above groups are then categorized by similar types
      There are way too many categories to list.
      
      Examples:
      In Trollbloods, Pygs are categorized together.
      In Trollbloods, Elemental Trolls are categorized together.
      In Skorne, all Titans are categorized together.
      In Skorne, all Cyclops are categorized together.
      In Cygnar, all Storm Knights are categorized together.
      In Cygnar, all Trenchers are categorized together.
      etc
      
      Then each category is sorted alphabetically within their groups.

That's the jist of how the default sort works.

The main reason why it is sorted this way: So I can quickly eye the list of models to see if any is wrong (either missing models or models that shouldn't be there) in special lists like Tiers.

Another reason is when a saved list is imported into another program, the other program can work with the save data easier. Although, I might can the other program for another that might do what I intend to do better.

What about imposing my own color preferences? E.g. coloring a model's line's background color, or its text? Or changing the color used for the currently highlighted line?

That's a pretty cool request. I'll see what I can come up with. It won't be in the next update, but I'll keep it in mind.

[LostBlue]

Build 20110123 is up.
You can still download it off my skydrive:
http://cid-f4e58cf9dec68c8e.office.l...eation%20Tools


Here are the full list of updates:

---------------
v2.0 Beta, Build 20110123
---------------
* Added models from 2011 Shatter Grounds League: Windless Waste 2011
You can access League models by going to Army -> Use League Models or hit (L)

* Point Correction for Rengrave in Terminus' Tier list.
Thank you, wadders

* Model Count Correction [4, 6]: Battle Mechaniks (Khador Unit)
Thank you, PG_gorkg

* Fixed Magnus the Warlord
The change in the database made the program think he was a Skorne Warlock. This is fixed. He can now control Mercenary warjacks again.

* Fix. In some lists, a few unrelated warjacks and warbeasts were showing up in the model selection (ex: Gators in Restribution). While they couldn't be added to the player's list, this is pretty annoying. This is now fixed.

* Typo Firefly: Damage-Type[Electricity]

* Typo Lord Rockbottom, Expedition Financier: Paymaster[Sea Dog]

[quindraco]

For I think all of the Khadoran warcasters at least, under their hover-blurb, it rays 'Range Wealon Qualities'. I assume this should be 'Range Weapon Qualities', or 'Ranged Weapon Qualities'.

Under the Winter Guard Infantry (also Khador) UA, it says 'Tatics' where I think it means 'Tactics' (also the hover-blurb).

[LostBlue]

For I think all of the Khadoran warcasters at least, under their hover-blurb, it rays 'Range Wealon Qualities'. I assume this should be 'Range Weapon Qualities', or 'Ranged Weapon Qualities'.

Under the Winter Guard Infantry (also Khador) UA, it says 'Tatics' where I think it means 'Tactics' (also the hover-blurb).

Thanks for letting me know about these typos.
I will concentrate on fixing various typos on the next build along with inputting what's new in the next NQ.