Circle or Trolls?

[PG_hendybadger]

With Primal Mk2 just around the corner Im trying to pick out a couple of factions.
For WM I have Mixed Retribution, Pirate Themed Cryx and Mercs.
Want to do the same sort of thing for Hordes.
So far its Beast Themed Legion, Minions and either Trolls or Circle for a mixed, varied force.

Out of the 2, which would you go for? And why?

Thanks in advance

[PG_Greywolf]

I chose Circle over Trolls for one very important reason. Variety. Don't get me wrong, there are a ton of cool looking models in the Troll line, but in the end, they are all Trolls. There is not much of a variety unless you add in Minions to them. Circle however, could be Wolf Themed, Construct themed, Beastman themed, or a combination of any of the above. I think for mixed and varied, Circle will be your best bet.

[PG_hendybadger]

I like the Circle Wolves and Wolds but Im not too keen on the Tharn. Could that be a problem?

[PG_Greywolf]

Nope, I'm in the same boat with you and my vision is even narrower. I'm going all Wolves. There are plenty of beasts and units to use instead of the Tharn.

[Alex C]

I chose Circle over Trolls for one very important reason. Variety. Don't get me wrong, there are a ton of cool looking models in the Troll line, but in the end, they are all Trolls. There is not much of a variety unless you add in Minions to them. Circle however, could be Wolf Themed, Construct themed, Beastman themed, or a combination of any of the above. I think for mixed and varied, Circle will be your best bet.

On the flipside, there is a huge variety within the Troll line due to the various themes. Gaellic, militaristic and now redneck define the main themes, with several little oddballs thrown in for good measure. Circle are even more varied though, I'll definately give you that.

[PG_hendybadger]

Im more of a fan of the Constructs in Circle and the Beasts in Trolls.
Not that keen on most of the units for either of them

[Alex C]

Im more of a fan of the Constructs in Circle and the Beasts in Trolls.
Not that keen on most of the units for either of them

My wife is going pretty construct heavy in her Circle force. It seems to work, especially with Baldur.

[PG_Stevo]

Trolls, dude. Why? They eat people. Also, Mulg.

[PG_Greywolf]

On the flipside, there is a huge variety within the Troll line due to the various themes. Gaellic, militaristic and now redneck define the main themes, with several little oddballs thrown in for good measure. Circle are even more varied though, I'll definately give you that.

Yep, I meant in variety of actual different model types. While there are some very cool ones (those Trollkin Scouts are fantastic! LOL), in the end, they are all still Trolls.

[PG_hendybadger]

I do like the fact that they are all trolls though. Most factions, forces, armies ect and just humanoids dressed differently.

[Phlippieskezer]

Trolls, dude. Why? They eat people. Also, Mulg.

And Pygs. Little guys with guns. Dude. Awesome.

As for why I chose Trolls (I, too was stuck in decision between Circle and Trolls, but I am happy with my decision) is because I choose according to fluff. I love the Trolls' fluff. I love the Troll models. I love how the Trolls are humorous but serious at the same time.
Circle is cool and my second-favourite Hordes army, but the Trollbloods just takes the cake.

[Amarel]

On the flipside, there is a huge variety within the Troll line due to the various themes. Gaellic, militaristic and now redneck define the main themes, with several little oddballs thrown in for good measure. Circle are even more varied though, I'll definately give you that.

Hang on, what Gaellic theme in Trolls?

[PG_hendybadger]

And Pygs. Little guys with guns. Dude. Awesome.

As for why I chose Trolls (I, too was stuck in decision between Circle and Trolls, but I am happy with my decision) is because I choose according to fluff. I love the Trolls' fluff. I love the Troll models. I love how the Trolls are humorous but serious at the same time.
Circle is cool and my second-favourite Hordes army, but the Trollbloods just takes the cake.

Eat people, Mulg, Pygs. All good reasons.
Im quite new to PP so I know very little about any of the background and fluff

[HRViolation]

With Primal Mk2 just around the corner Im trying to pick out a couple of factions.
For WM I have Mixed Retribution, Pirate Themed Cryx and Mercs.
Want to do the same sort of thing for Hordes.
So far its Beast Themed Legion, Minions and either Trolls or Circle for a mixed, varied force.

Out of the 2, which would you go for? And why?

Thanks in advance

Wine or Beer?

[PG_hendybadger]

What do you mean?

[Phlippieskezer]

Wine or Beer?

LOL!
That took me a couple of seconds to understand but when I got it I laughed pretty hard. Thanks for that

[Lycane]

I'll break it down for you:

Wine: Any other faction

Beer: Trolls

I say tap that keg!!!

[Alex C]

Hang on, what Gaellic theme in Trolls?

Like the kilts and druidic costume/culture of the stonescribes and their like. Also the penchant for drinking and fighting. Perhaps I should say more generally Celtic influences rather than specifically Gaellic.

[Sir Motor]

About back ground,Troll is only "good" faction in Immoren. They fight just for existence. To not be wiped out.

Who can resist beer drinking shaman?

About model,Troll is really cool.

Who can resist shaman with big cod piece?

[Toqtamish]

Trolls, I was going to play Skorne for Hordes but after reading the fluff in the old Primal book, Trolls all the way. There background is way better than Circle and the different types of trolls are very amusing.

Love the wine and beer post, lol.

[executor]

i'm not going to persuade you one way or the other.. but if you pick circle.. trolls are going to beat you up consistantly.. then you might rethink your mistake

[Strangelove]

Im more of a fan of the Constructs in Circle and the Beasts in Trolls.
Not that keen on most of the units for either of them

I totally get that sentiment when it comes to infantry. Honestly, there are few units in Hordes that I like in general - never mind which faction they're from. Personally I'd say pick the faction with the 'locks and beasts you think look coolest and then consider the "filler" afterwards.

[Chardun]

For me it was the Troll back story. A good natured (some what) people fighting to preserve their way of life. Madrak's story is also good, can't say no to Greek Tragedy type hero.

[The Beast of Caer Banogh]

Well, they also do the whole clans of disorganized barbarians thing, which is at least a popular understanding of highland Scotland.

So definitely there's that Gaelic theme, as well as the survivalist thing, the oppressed indigene theme, the party theme (fine, it's just Borka, but still).

[PG_Askew37]

I've always seen Trollbloods as a bizarrely fitting amalgamation of Scots and American Indians.

[Tarma]

@Askew37, you is completely right, they is.

@Sir Motor, I can. Trolls, the only "good" faction in Immoren? That is dependent on who you ask, but I agree trolls is drawn into the war, against their wish.

@Executor, with Khador as possible exception, none just charge Trolls, least of all Circle.

For me, I prefer Circle before Trolls.

Wine or Beer? I think the protectorate mostly drink water.

Tarma

[PG_hendybadger]

i'm not going to persuade you one way or the other.. but if you pick circle.. trolls are going to beat you up consistantly.. then you might rethink your mistake

Atleast your not trying to push me one way or the other!

I totally get that sentiment when it comes to infantry. Honestly, there are few units in Hordes that I like in general - never mind which faction they're from. Personally I'd say pick the faction with the 'locks and beasts you think look coolest and then consider the "filler" afterwards.

Thats sort of where Im starting. I do like most of the Locks and Beasts for each though

[Zazoo]

Ill put in another thing to consider.
Trolls are a smash your face in type faction whereas Circle are all about speed and wearing your opponent down.
So what play style would appeal to you more? Also Circle are far more frustating to play against. (Must be why I like them)

[jiminiy]

I had this same issue till a friend pulled out of buying and so I got both at fewer points. while frustrating this has meant I can teach others and so far have recruited two new players.

I have to agree that is to do with what models you like, and what playstyle you like. so far my trolls are unbeaten against the circle. I would say the trolls are much better for players new to the game.

[jiminiy]

I had this same issue till a friend pulled out of buying and so I got both at fewer points. while frustrating this has meant I can teach others and so far have recruited two new players.

I have to agree that is to do with what models you like, and what playstyle you like. so far my trolls are unbeaten against the circle. I would say the trolls are much better for players new to the game.

[Auroth]

Tough call...

I'd personally vote Everblight (If because the models look so damn cool).

But as for Circle vs Trolls, I'd vote Trolls. Sometimes being the good guy is cool; especially if the good guy is actually backed into a corner and is fighting for every gasp of air he takes. Underdog ftw! (unlike a certain blue swan we all know of)

[PG_hendybadger]

We have enough around to teach both systems so these would be just for myself.
I dont know much about the Hordes playstyles though

Tough call...

I'd personally vote Everblight (If because the models look so damn cool).

But as for Circle vs Trolls, I'd vote Trolls. Sometimes being the good guy is cool; especially if the good guy is actually backed into a corner and is fighting for every gasp of air he takes. Underdog ftw! (unlike a certain blue swan we all know of)

Everblight were the 1st to be chosen. And they are going to be a huge smashy force.
Im very rarely the good guy though. For some reason it just feels wrong

[AluminumFalcon]

Trolls. If you don't go with Trolls, the Kilt Lifter will show you what he's got under his Kilt, and that isn't pretty.

[Writer@Large]

Choose Trollbloods if you want to reveal yourself as a manly man who can hold his liquor and take a punch before brutally smashing face.

Choose Circle if you want to reveal yourself as a sensitive, granola-eating hippie who would rather hang around the commune with puppy dogs and pet rocks than other people.

--W@L, proud Trollblood

[Beckman]

Depends, if you're really a finesse player at heart, you want Circle. There's really no debating that Circle has more funny tricks than Trolls.

However, Trolls will beat you up and take your lunch money.

I'd play Trolls.
We've got:
Burrowing dudes with guuuuuns
Trolls with Axes
Trolls Riding Buffalo
Pygs Riding Dire Trolls That Throw Bombs
Our Character Beast Will Beat You To Death With A Rune Covered Log, Then Eat You.
Fantastic Beasts in General
Casters that span from Infantry Centric, to Beast Centric... and we can play both extremes well.

Trolls have a great community. Ask a question and you'll get mostly non-snarky answers. We don't usually have flame wars. Legion and Circle forums get into flame wars pretty regularly about various things. Sometimes it's people in their own faction, other times people come from other factions and troll them... Either way, it's unpleasant at times. Skorne is usually a pretty nice place, except currently they currently have a vocal portion of their player base that think their faction sucks and/or is boring to play.

[Writer@Large]

Trolls. If you don't go with Trolls, the Kilt Lifter will show you what he's got under his Kilt, and that isn't pretty.

Yeah, but he does always win first prize.

--W@L

[MagnusDarkPrince]

IMHO circle recieved a lot of love in MK2 and they now have a level or versitilty that no other faction can match.

They have speed lists that boast up 17.5" melée threat and they have power lists that can hit with pow 22s they have beast with more hp then a Khador Jack their new heavy I gantry is one of the best in the game (their old one is really just light infantry eith hp and med bases)

so if you like versitility and the ability to do anything and only use one faction, circle is for you.

Legion does one thing, and only one thing, but they do it well and it wins the game if it works. Assassinations.

Trolls have IMHO one of the VERY best casters in the game, Calandra is amazing. Reverse S&P, great feat, soothed song, a spell for knockdown, and unless befuddle chmged since I looked at it's the best utility/movement spell in the game.

Trolls are very solid but their aren't a lot of ways to play them and they have enough auto includeds that you won't be changing up you list a lot.

Every hordes faction brings something different to the table so, you should be happy no matter what you choose.

[Beckman]

IMHO circle recieved a lot of love in MK2 and they now have a level or versitilty that no other faction can match.

I beg to differ, Sir. I think Circle is good, but Trolls, Skorne and Legion are pretty close for faction power level. Trolls are definitely up there.

They have speed lists that boast up 17.5" melée threat and they have power lists that can hit with pow 22s they have beast with more hp then a Khador Jack their new heavy I gantry is one of the best in the game (their old one is really just light infantry eith hp and med bases)

I can knock down a target with a 17" threat range and throw four boosted POW 16s at it ignoring cloud effects and forests. Strong lists exist for each faction, and they're generally counterable.

so if you like versatility and the ability to do anything and only use one faction, circle is for you.

Legion does one thing, and only one thing, but they do it well and it wins the game if it works. Assassinations.

Trolls have IMHO one of the VERY best casters in the game, Calandra is amazing. Reverse S&P, great feat, soothed song, a spell for knockdown, and unless befuddle chmged since I looked at it's the best utility/movement spell in the game.

Trolls are very solid but their aren't a lot of ways to play them and they have enough auto includeds that you won't be changing up you list a lot.

See, I don't agree that there aren't a lot of ways to play trolls.
I can play:
Infantry Heavy (Borka, Grissel, eMadrak)
Beast Heavy (Hoarluk, Grim - believe it or not, Calandra)
Ranged Beast Heavy (Hoarluk, Grim, Calandra)
Mix (Calandra, eMadrak, Grim)

I don't have the time or space to write the lists out for each of these casters, but you can indeed build a mostly ranged beast list, a mostly melee beast list, an infantry list, an infantry list with ranged, or a hodgepodge list with a random assortment of units.

We don't really have bad units. We've got plentiful access to buffs, which lets us make a model do a job that it couldn't probably handle otherwise. (Impaler Melee with Pyre Troll's Animus and SSE, GO!)

I suppose I'm disagreeing with the assessment that Trolls only play one way and that they are not versatile. The presence of their buffs allows them to be versatile... and they can melee or ranged well while being difficult to kill. You're not even really pigeon-holed into taking hardy units... you could take 2 units of Fenns, some Burrowers, a Fell Caller, and a SSC, and be fine with that... although you're probably missing out.

Every hordes faction brings something different to the table so, you should be happy no matter what you choose.

Yeah, most factions are pretty good right now and can do most stuff.

[eliassmith27]

so far my trolls are unbeaten against the circle.

I could say the same about my Circle against trolls. LOL

I don't know much about what all trolls can do, but I know circle very well. Circle does everything it does well, and with the new and upcoming releases (WW Stalker, WGuardian, Skin Walkers) Circle can do just about everything any other faction can do. (except AoE spam)

I love circle because if I get tired of one play style I can build a new list that has a completely play style. (Gorilla warfare, tanks, assassination, scenario, or defender.) We are the Swiss army knife of Hordes & Warmacines.

[Alex C]

Gorilla warfare

Circle getting new primate-based Warbeasts or something?