looking for refrence/pg# about a los issue

[shahryar]

okay when reading the forums I keep hearing er reading, that a large base cannot draw los thorugh a small base to a small base but the small base can draw los to the large base.

AKA

C <------ cyclone

ssssssssss <----sword knights

g <---some random small solo that can actually hurt a cyclone.


so in this scenario from what I read g can shoot C but C cannot shoot g.
This is counter to what my friend said who says it is the other way around.

so which is it and which page in the rulebook so I can actually show him.

[rydiafan]

Prime MkII, Page 43, second column, first sentence. It starts with a 3.

[shahryar]

I swear they had their terms and conditions lawyer write these rules

[admanb]

I swear they had their terms and conditions lawyer write these rules

Yes. The rules are very well written.

[jandrese]

It's not very complicated: Bases smaller than the target's base are not factored into LOS at all.

[Caeldan]

The rules are as they state, but I still feel its counterintuitive that there is a '-line- of sight' going one way but not the other.
Which is why the question comes up fairly regularly.

[rydiafan]

I still feel its counterintuitive that there is a '-line- of sight' going one way but not the other.

If I'm standing at one end of a crowded street and Godzilla is standing at the other, I can sure as heck see him through the crowd but he is gonna be much less likely to be able to see me.

[Caeldan]

If I'm standing at one end of a crowded street and Godzilla is standing at the other, I can sure as heck see him through the crowd but he is gonna be much less likely to be able to see me.

Less likely - however if he was specifically looking for you, he could find you. But that's more picking a specific person out of a crowd than blocking line of sight.

By the same token - If my cat is at one end of the room, and I'm at the other end... and my dog is in between, I'll still be able to see my cat by looking over top of the dog.

Basically a line is a line - if you have it going one way, it goes back the other way as well.

Like I said, the rules are as they are - it's just a touch counterintuitive that it works in one direction but not the other, as evidenced by the fact this question comes up on a semi-regular basis.

[Lanz]

Except it's in the middle of a heated battle with movement and chaos everywhere. It's undeniably easier to pick out something massive towering over a crowd, then it is to pick out a single individual amoungst others of the same size. Knowing something is there also does not mean that you necessarily have a clear line of action to do anything to them.

You have to think of it less as a direct line between two points, and more what is large enough to be blocking a line of action to something. Something of the same size, or something larger will generally block a clean line of sight. Bear in mind also that the rules were designed back when a large-based model was a warjack, and pretty much all warjacks have their heads almost mid-way down their bodies, so their vantage point isn't much higher than a normal person, making it just as difficult to see over something.

That's also why Cavalry have Tall In The Saddle, and can draw LoS through any bases smaller than their own.