High Reclaimer

[Nighkhaun]

I've been wracking my brain around this and I'm just coming up with one conclusion about Bob.
He is a troop delivery system and that's about it.
He DOES have Ashes to Ashes and Immolation, but focus 5 makes it pretty costly to use either as you almost certainly will boost at least the attack (granted soul gathering helps offset this issue a lot)
and he has sacrifical lamb, which, if you activate in the correct order I can see making him run jacks well,
but correct me if I'm wrong, his main usefulness is just slowly tromping up field tossing down clouds of Burning Ash and popping his feat to set up nasty charge/back field strikes against the heart of your opponent.

If that IS what he really does and that is how we are supposed to use him that's fine, I was just trying to work out any other viable options.

EXAMPLE:
He can be a beatstick if you have him up close once he has lost a few of his brothers.
What I'm curious about; is he effective at running jacks due to sacrificial lamb?
Is he just a walking delivery system?

I've never really understood the Silent One.

[albertcamUsjr]

You *can* use him as any option you mentioned - he is certainly a capable assassin if he is loaded with souls - but I think you're right in that he works best as a troop delivery system.

I haven't been playing the HR very frequently in Mk II, actually - but when I have played him he's functioned basically the same as he did in Mk I. I put up all sorts of smoke, pray the enemy can't ignore it, and start the slow march up field. Inevitably some of my stuff dies, when I get close, I revive them behind enemy lines.

[Nighkhaun]

that's fine then. I was trying to see if I was missing something. I'm just not a fan of how passive he feels. I much prefer casters like Reznik or Sevvy where I feel like I can dictate a little (or a lot) of the tempo. I'm gonna see if I can fine tune Bob with a jack heavy list.

[darisus]

I imagine with sacrifical lamb you could run a jack heavy list with jacks that don't really need alot of focus (reckoner, vanquisher, repenter, etc.) that way you can power jacks if you bring a cheap unit of guys to kill off say zealots. I tried him in a fairly jack heavy list like this:
The High Reclaimer
Repenter
Crusader
Reckoner
Vanquisher
Choir of Menoth (Leader and 5 Grunts)
Temple Flameguard (Leader and 9 Grunts)
Temple Flameguard Officer & Standard
Visgoth Juviah Rhoven & 2 Honor Guard

I used this list to good effect either sacking a tfg or choirboy if i needed too and using Visgoth Juviah Rhoven to see through my own clouds for my shooters. All the jacks in this list function just fine with one focus maybe 2 on a reckoner or crusader the turn you want to beat face with them.

[Nighkhaun]

I was reworking my list ideas and ended up with a couple of reckoners myself. The jack can be quite mean against a single target and I was surprised that I kept overlooking it (to be fair the Vanquisher is also quite, quite mean for the same point cost but the anti-infantry options it brings often makes it shine more on paper)
Bonus, Reckoners come with their own version of "clouds" vial the club. So thematically it works out a bit too. Also, trying him out with Errants (which I'm seeing their value due to their fair point cost) so I should be able to hit harder targets without much issue now.

[CaladanCid]

Darisus, in your list do you think it would work to replace the TFG and Rhoven with EE or KE? I'd like to use the Reclaimer in an Exemplar list, but don't know if they are too expensive.

[darisus]

Darisus, in your list do you think it would work to replace the TFG and Rhoven with EE or KE? I'd like to use the Reclaimer in an Exemplar list, but don't know if they are too expensive.

Not too sure. I use the TFG cause they are cheap, good and sacking a few guys doesn't hurt thier overall prowess too much. Visgoth is there so you can shoot your own jacks through the clouds you put up so he can be really key, plus his other abilities can mess with your opponents gameplan too or you can use his two beatstick friends to put some hurt on stuff as they hit pretty hard being pow 11, mat 8 weaponmasters with blessed reach halbreds.

[z1g1]

Don't forget that with the HR you need a commander out there to give your infantry some CMD support, an army led by the grim reaper is not the most inspirational thing out there. Rhoven and Friends can help you out in that manner.

[chrisBatson]

I can't lose with the guy. I run two lists with him. The first is just troop overload, 2x zealots, 2x TFG, a crusader and a revenger. I just walk up behind my cloud wall until my opponent has to walk through it or try and out flank it. When they come through, i let them inflict a ton of causalities. Then, I have a ton of souls and I win one of two way. I either set up a slam with my jack on thier caster and then pop my feat and CMA or zealot bomb them to death or I spell them into oblivion with 25+ focus.

[chrisBatson]

The 2nd list I run is what I call peek a boo where I run Irdians, delivers, and a jack or two with decent shots. I use the covenant to give the idrians the ability to cause fire. I advance, unload and then cover up my army.

[bluecardinal]

@ Chris Baston

Just out of curiosity, have you played against a Retribution list with some Mage Hunters? I think that would be the bane of old Silent Bob.

I haven't seen anyone mention it so I thought I would, the High Reclaimer benefits greatly from charging each turn. Specifically, charging your own second row of troops. He can keep up with his troops better this way and provide better cover with burning ash. His lower mat means he could miss the attack or you could hit the Covenant and only do one damage.

Salty Bob had a good 35 point list where he ran some Idrians and a couple of jacks. I plan on taking some TFG, Cleansers, and Bastions in a 50 point list. The basic plan is to demoralize my opponent when he uses a bunch of resources to take out the Bastions and then I bring them back. Rhoven is pretty much an auto-include with him, commander and Menoth's sight work wonders.

He has some pretty good match ups but some pretty bad ones as well. For me, he's a unique caster that I enjoy playing.

[chrisBatson]

I have not fought the retribution against him yet. I am too busy stomping them into the dirt with trolls and legion.