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  1. #1
    FearLord
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    Lightbulb Arcane Assassin - Full list of buffs that it ignores

    Now that we've had the ruling that arcane assassin only works on direct buffs to ARM or DEF:

    http://www.privateerpressforums.com/...ead.php?t=3089

    I thought it might be nice to have a complete list for reference of all the buffs that models with arcane assassin can ignore. I'll start with Warmachine and update with Hordes later if people think this is useful.

    First up, the current arcane assassins in Retribution are:

    -Garryth, Blade of Retribution
    -Mage Hunter Strike Force
    -Mage Hunter Strike Force Commander
    -Mage Hunter Assassin
    -Narn, Mage Hunter of Ios

    (It is worth noting that thanks to 'Blessed', Fane Knight Skeryth Issyen ignores all the buffs apart from focus points over boosting a Warcaster's powerfield).

    So for Warmachine, the following effects are ignored:

    KHADOR

    Kommander Sorscha:
    -Wind Rush

    Forward Kommander Sorscha:
    -Iron Flesh

    The Butcher of Khardov:
    -Iron Flesh

    Vladimir Tzepesci, The Dark Prince:
    -Blood of Kings

    Kommandant Irusk:
    -Iron Flesh
    -Superiority

    Karchev the Terrible:
    -Sidearms

    Zevanna Agha, The Old Witch of Khador:
    -Iron Flesh
    Last edited by FearLord; 12-20-2009 at 10:40 PM.

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    CRYX

    Warwitch Deneghra:
    -Parasite

    Iron Lich Asphyxious:
    -Parasite

    Lich Lord Asphyxious:
    -Parasite

    Skarre, Queen of the Broken Coast:
    -Death Ward

    Master Necrotech Mortenebra:
    -Spectral Steel


    CYGNAR

    Commander Coleman Stryker:
    -Arcane Shield
    -Blur

    Lord Commander Stryker:
    -Deflection

    Captain Victoria Haley:
    -Arcane Shield

    Major Victoria Haley:
    -Deceleration

    Lieutenant Allister Caine:
    -Blur

    Captain Allister Caine:
    -Blur

    Commander Adept Nemo:
    -Deflection

    General Adept Nemo:
    -Fail Safe

    Captain E. Dominic Darius:
    -Fortify

    Journeyman Warcaster:
    -Arcane Shield


    PROTECTORATE OF MENOTH

    High Exemplar Kreoss:
    -Defender's Ward

    Grand Exemplar Kreoss:
    -Inviolable Resolve

    Grand Scrutator Severius:
    -Defender's Ward

    Hierarch Severius:
    -Holy Ward

    Feora, Protector of the Flame:
    -Escort


    MERCENARIES

    Magnus the Traitor:
    -Blur
    -Temper Metal

    Magnus the Warlord:
    -Bullet Dodger

    Ashlynn D'Elyse:
    -Quicken

    Captain Bartolo Montador:
    -Batten Down the Hatches

    Captain Phinneus Shae:
    -Storm Rager


    RETRIBUTION OF SCYRAH

    Dawnlord Vyros:
    -Inviolable Resolve
    Last edited by FearLord; 12-19-2009 at 11:12 PM.

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    FearLord
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    *Post reserved for Hordes buffs*

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    Grand Scrutator Severius has Defenders Ward. Just on the downloadable cards, it is still referenced as Protection of Menoth.

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    FearLord
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demeritus View Post
    Grand Scrutator Severius has Defenders Ward. Just on the downloadable cards, it is still referenced as Protection of Menoth.
    Thanks - edited to clean this up...

    So for a bit of commentary, it would seem that Cygnar is the Warmachine faction you'll get the most use out of Arcane Assassin against, and Retribution is the one you'll get the least out of...

    Hordes still to come, when I've got some time!

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    I feel the list is still lacking. Don't forget that spell-made cover and concealment are bypassed too. It is ANY spell-made def/arm bonus.
    For example Khador's old witches "Weald Secrets."

    Also I'm sure there are some solos/units this works for.
    Khador's Graylord's "blizzard" spell doesn't grant concealment against models with arcane assassin.
    Though I like the effort and Idea of putting this in one place. If the list is complete it would help me tailor my army a little and show the true value of arcane assassin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karam View Post
    I feel the list is still lacking. Don't forget that spell-made cover and concealment are bypassed too.
    ...
    Not any more

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecsharian View Post
    WHAT? When did this happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karam View Post
    WHAT? When did this happen?
    yesterday? (it's what the link says )

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    Link added to the first post to avoid confusion - it has been ruled that Arcane Assassin (and therefore blessed) will only ignore direct buffs to ARM or DEF...

    While this is a little disappointing, it's more balanced and more straight forward.

    I went through the Warmachine PDF model by model, so I think I've covered every model currently available for Warmachine, but if I've missed anything, please feel free to post it and I'll try to keep this up to date (and add the Hordes figures - although I may wait until the field test actually ends for this, so I don't have to do a revision every week or so...)

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    I realize you guys are going to end up posting the Hordes info, but I wanted to go ahead and ask if it gets by that silly Armor Ward thing the Krielstone Bearers give out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KainMalice View Post
    I realize you guys are going to end up posting the Hordes info, but I wanted to go ahead and ask if it gets by that silly Armor Ward thing the Krielstone Bearers give out.
    No - it only ignores focus points over boosting a warcasters powerfield and spell effects that directly buff ARM or DEF. The Krielstone Bearers buff ARM by using an ability, so it is not ignored... Perhaps I should include effects in red that buff ARM or DEF, but aren't ignored by Arcane Assassin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FearLord View Post
    No - it only ignores focus points over boosting a warcasters powerfield and spell effects that directly buff ARM or DEF. The Krielstone Bearers buff ARM by using an ability, so it is not ignored... Perhaps I should include effects in red that buff ARM or DEF, but aren't ignored by Arcane Assassin?

    This would be quiet a good idea, so that anyone can see where the buffs of the opponents still work despite arcane assassin.

    Btw. Thank you for your time and effort to make this list. Great work!

    Regards
    S.

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