Homebrew: King Vinter Raelthorne IV, The Elder

[PG_TimVanBoening]

King Vinter Raelthorne IV, The Elder
Mercenary/Minion Character Solo

SPD STR MAT RAT DEF ARM CMD
5 8 9 4 14 17 10


Kingslayer
POW P+S
7 15
~Reach~Weapon Master

Damage 8
FA C
Point Cost 4
Small Base

Mercenary - This model will work for Cryx, Khador, and the Protectorate.

Minion - This model will work for Skorne.

Kingslayer

Thresher (* Attack) - This model makes one melee attack with this weapon against each model in it's LOS and this weapon's melee range.

Backswing (* Attack) - Make two attacks with this weapon

Critical Knockdown - On a critical hit, the model hit is knocked down.

Grievous Wounds - When a model is hit by this weapon, for one round it loses Tough, cannot heal or be healed, and cannot transfer damage.

Vinter Raelthorne IV

Parry - This model cannot be targeted by free strikes.

In The Service of the True King - Armies that include this model may also include one unit of Sword Knight infantry, Long Gunner Infantry, Trencher Infantry, or any one Cygnarian non-character solo without the Focus Manipulation ability. These models do not count as Faction Models.

Sucker! - If this model is directly hit by an enemy ranged attack, choose a friendly living non-incorporeal warrior model within 2" of it to be directly hit instead. That model is automatically hit and suffers all damage and effects.

Ancient Mail Of The Grim King - This model may forfeit it's action to remove d3 damage.

Powerful Charge - This model gains +2 to charge attack rolls with this weapon.

Set Defense - A model in this model's front arc suffers -2 on charge, slam power attack, and impact attack rolls against this model.



This is my first homebrew, so keep that in mind. I made Vinter into a Tartarus/Vilmon kind of beatstick solo, both of whom I took stats from, also his Lion's Coup MKI card from NQ. I also threw in abilities I felt a King would have, like Parry (since he is a weapon master, so he knows how to fight). I toned down Ancient Mail... from the Lion's Coup card, along with giving him 8 boxes instead of 12. I dropped Retaliate (after each attack against him is resolved, he can make one melee attack), also. I felt those and his other abilities would have made him broken as all get out. I also made him 4 points, like Tartarus, because he is a big battering ram with a weed-whacker strapped to his forehead riding a tank, so his point cost should reflect that. I picture him with Mags owning face all over the field.

If you haven't seen Vinter's Lion Coup card, click Here
Comments or corrections are welcome!

[Raifekise]

i'm really excited to be part of this forum, i hope that i can learn and find new mates :-)

[PG_TimVanBoening]

i'm really excited to be part of this forum, i hope that i can learn and find new mates :-)

Cool. Welcome, sir! Good to have you here.

[Beowulf99]

Welcome indeed Raifekise! Always good to have new members!

As to Mr. Raelthorne, I like it. Not too OP, in fact I think he may need some buffing to really pull himself into that 4 pt Range. People don't fear Tartarus because he kills things. They fear him because he kills things, and makes Banes out of them.
Perhaps bring back Flying Steel for this model, meaning he makes d3 +1 attacks per activation, and sidestep. Take away Backswing and Thresher. that'll give him an average of 3 attacks, and some extra movement, which is always a plus. Remember, this guy fights on par with Warcasters, even without magic.

I've always had a different approach to how I view Vinter, so far as Homebrew is concerned, I may just have to try my hand at doing it...

[PG_TimVanBoening]

Welcome indeed Raifekise! Always good to have new members!

As to Mr. Raelthorne, I like it. Not too OP, in fact I think he may need some buffing to really pull himself into that 4 pt Range. People don't fear Tartarus because he kills things. They fear him because he kills things, and makes Banes out of them.
Perhaps bring back Flying Steel for this model, meaning he makes d3 +1 attacks per activation, and sidestep. Take away Backswing and Thresher. that'll give him an average of 3 attacks, and some extra movement, which is always a plus. Remember, this guy fights on par with Warcasters, even without magic.

I've always had a different approach to how I view Vinter, so far as Homebrew is concerned, I may just have to try my hand at doing it...

Thanks for the input. This was a "Hey! Let's make something up!!" first run. Totally up for revision. My friend was inspired to create his different approach to Vinter and told it to me. He said he'd email me it for me to put up here. It's very awesome. His would be eVinter, and mine would be pVinter. He did point out some changes I will revise, like him working for Cryx (which I just chose because Magnus works for Cryx, no fluff reason to back it), and the way Ancient Mail of the Grim King works. Also, my friend made his homebrew based upon the Vinter model I made. I modded mine by adding pNemo's backpack and eNemo's arcane coils, a lot like the Vinter from the PP Invitational.

[Jaren]

Linked to the Homebrew Locator.

[PG_TimVanBoening]

Linked to the Homebrew Locator.

Thanks!

(10 chars)

[Jaren]

Thanks!

(10 chars)

No problem. It's kinda what I do around here.

Also, isn't In the service of the King just Sucker! with a new name? Most of the renaming of abilities was removed with Mk II.

Side Note: Re-name it "On His Magesty's Secret Service" for nerd points from me.

[PG_TimVanBoening]

Linked to the Homebrew Locator.

No problem. It's kinda what I do around here.

Also, isn't In the service of the King just Sucker! with a new name? Most of the renaming of abilities was removed with Mk II.

Side Note: Re-name it "On His Magesty's Secret Service" for nerd points from me.

It is Sucker, but I felt In The Service... sounded more appropriate. I think they did remove the different names for the same thing, but as I said, it sounded better.

[Beowulf99]

You could easily alter the ability to make it more original. Perhaps have the ability trigger earlier, when the attack is made, so that the attack is rolled vs. the pawns Def as well.

[PG_TimVanBoening]

You could easily alter the ability to make it more original. Perhaps have the ability trigger earlier, when the attack is made, so that the attack is rolled vs. the pawns Def as well.

Wasn't the change over to MKII to get rid of the rules that are similar, but have different names? I think I'll keep it as is.



-edit-

I posted pics of my modded Vinter. If you want to see, go here

[maxxev]

Wasn't the change over to MKII to get rid of the rules that are similar, but have different names? I think I'll keep it as is.

So why are you not calling is "sucker" then??

[Mr_Smigs]

couple comments...

1. There was a Vinter statline printed a while back in NQ, you might find it useful...,

2. There was a Vinter "warcaster" a while back (comments about him here) that, IIRC used a similar idea of electro-armor...

I really don't get why the king of cygnar can swing for Khador or Menoth in your writeup tho...

[PG_TimVanBoening]

I updated some stuff. Speed reduced down to 5. Also gave him Grievous Wounds.

Any ideas as to abilities he should have or not have?

couple comments...

1. There was a Vinter statline printed a while back in NQ, you might find it useful...,

2. There was a Vinter "warcaster" a while back (comments about him here) that, IIRC used a similar idea of electro-armor...

I really don't get why the king of cygnar can swing for Khador or Menoth in your writeup tho...

Hey! Thanks for the comment. I know there was a Vinter stat line produced. It was his Lion's Coup card, which I linked in the first message. I took aspects of that, which I felt were not too OP, and combined them with aspects of Tartarus and Vilmon. The "super solo" stuff from the Invitational were also my inspiration. Since I don't have access to those stats other than someone posting "Oi! Listen 'ere to what the ol' codger did!!" (if that person was in fact a 1890's Cockney chimney sweep), I came up with my own.

Him working for Khador and Protectorate was simply a way for him to be allowed in Merc lists. Every Merc/Minion model works for a faction, no one has a "Will not work for any faction" as an option. Eiryss works for humans, all of whom she despises and thinks are killing her gods and people. Cylena Raelfyl and her Nyss Hunters will work with Cryx to help destroy the dragon who destroyed their race, who was created by Cryx's dragon god. The IK has a few examples of characters compromising their ideals to serve a greater agenda. Vinter is a sneaky bugger, he could begrudgingly work with Empress Ayn's army in a coup to regain the throne, all the while with a hidden agenda to use against them. The same with Severius' and his Menites. He's a crafty one, Mr. Raelthorne. That's my reasoning. In my ideas in list building, I was going to run him in my Magnus armies, not in a 100 point two-caster game. Where ever Magnus goes, he does.

Also, these are made up rules.

So why are you not calling this "sucker" then??

Because "Sucker" didn't sound like an appropriate name for the ability. In my mind, the fluff is the soldiers want to protect their liege, and throw themselves in the way.

And again, these are made up rules.

[Jaren]

Because "Sucker" didn't sound like an appropriate name for the ability. In my mind, the fluff is the soldiers want to protect their liege, and throw themselves in the way.

My vote is still for calling it "On His Magesty's Secret Service".

[simon sez]

Just some suggestions off the top of my head:

Up his DEF by 1

Up Kingslayers POW by 1

Add Cryx to his Mercenary list, so that it is equal to Magnus'

Replace Set Defense with Powerful Charge, to push his offensive design

Change "In the Service of the King to "Sucker!", just for simplicity's sake

Change Ancient Mail of the Grim King to: "When this model is damaged by an enemy attack, immediately after resolving the attack this model heals D3 damage points"

And lastly, if all that is done; raise his points significantly!

[PG_TimVanBoening]

Just some suggestions off the top of my head:

1. Up his DEF by 1

2. Up Kingslayers POW by 1

3. Add Cryx to his Mercenary list, so that it is equal to Magnus'

4. Replace Set Defense with Powerful Charge, to push his offensive design

5. Change "In the Service of the King to "Sucker!", just for simplicity's sake

6. Change Ancient Mail of the Grim King to: "When this model is damaged by an enemy attack, immediately after resolving the attack this model heals D3 damage points"

And lastly, if all that is done; raise his points significantly!

Thanks for the response! I took the liberty in numbering your responses, I will answer them as such.

1. No.
2. No. That combined with what you suggested in 4, would be Cheese.
3. Done. In my first draft, I had him working for Cryx, to match Magnus, but my friend said why would he work for them, it doesn't make sense. But it makes as much sense as him working for Khador or Protectorate. So, I added it back.
4. I don't know... Can he have both? Steelhead have it...and not much else, though.
5. No. If you want to use him for your games, change it to Sucker. I like that name, and since this will be for fun, I'll keep it.
6. Eh, why the hell not?

I feel 4 points is a high portion of your army for just one guy. I don't want him to be the Deathjack of my army, so I will keep it at 4. Due to a large number of new players at my lgs, I play mostly 25-35 point games, if not 15.

[PG_TimVanBoening]

-Bump- I haven't touched this thread in ages. I lost the rules I wrote down for him, so I went looking for this. I still think he sounds good.

[PG_ForsakenPoptart]

Just stopped by- looking pretty good! I have a couple of comments;

I really think his rule should be changed to Sucker for consistency- it really is the same thing. I know you've defended it above, but keep reading!

"In The Service Of the True (added) King" should be a rule akin to allies- "Armies that include this model may also include one unit of Sword Knight infantry, Long Gunner Infantry, Trencher Infantry, or any one Cygnaran non-character solo without the "Focus Manipulation" ability. These models do not count as faction models."-

Without playtesting it, I can't think of any supremely broken combinations that can be caused, though I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

I would remove Crit Knockdown and give him either Dodge or Feign Death, to lessen the odds that he won't just be splattered by a boosted ranged attack or two.

[PG_TimVanBoening]

Just stopped by- looking pretty good! I have a couple of comments;

I really think his rule should be changed to Sucker for consistency- it really is the same thing. I know you've defended it above, but keep reading!

"In The Service Of the True (added) King" should be a rule akin to allies- "Armies that include this model may also include one unit of Sword Knight infantry, Long Gunner Infantry, Trencher Infantry, or any one Cygnaran non-character solo without the "Focus Manipulation" ability. These models do not count as faction models."-

Without playtesting it, I can't think of any supremely broken combinations that can be caused, though I'm sure I'm forgetting something.

I would remove Crit Knockdown and give him either Dodge or Feign Death, to lessen the odds that he won't just be splattered by a boosted ranged attack or two.

Thanks for the input! I want to revisit these rules for the fun if it, and revise it to flow better.

-edit- I'm toying with the idea of losing Crit Knockdown and replacing it with both Feign Death AND Dodge. Too much?

I do like the "In The Service..." rule switch. I will change it to "Sucker!" and I like your version of "In The Service...", so I will change it to that!

[PG_ForsakenPoptart]

Hey buddy, mind if I steal this? I'm toying with the idea of a scenario table at a local convention, and I think Vinter here might just fit the bill.