Paladin Warcaster or Unit?

[ChaosWolf]

I remember reading somewhere, maybe the last NQ, that there would be more paladins soon. Does that mean more types as solos or an actual unit or maybe a warcaster?

I know pallies are not liked by the PoM leadership but are admired by the populace....I read this at the same time I read there would be more pallies.

I wish I could remember where I read that but does anyone have any thoughts on more pallies?

[TheDarkSideOfValor]

I play PoM as well as most of the other factions of Warmachine and Hordes, and i like the idea... but i think it would be hard to make balanced 'caster rules for a paladin. idk. that's my 2 cents

[ColdYinTiger]

Not really. Just give them a unique ability for forfiting an action, weapon master, average focus.

Then again, now that I think of it, A paladin warcaster would pretty much be Menoths Butcher style caster. A melee brute that makes Reznik seem like a kid in a wheel chair. Though with more of a troop then jack focus that Butcher has.

[Snake Eyes]

You guys are d-cks for rubbing it in that we didn't get the Paladin warcaster we've desired as a faction for years. Salt in very fresh wounds, mofos.

[Black Sword]

More Paladins would be great. The "forfeit" idea is a good one, and very in theme. I would love to run them with the Avatar.

[ColdYinTiger]

Hey I've been waiting for a Paladin caster since Prime, PoM was the second army I played.

[Oilslick]

Before my first game of warmachine I liked the Order of the Wall. When my friends bought my starter army and I read prime, I saw the paladin and was like - this is my Protectorate. We have a pretty big good-evil spectrum in warcasters (Harbinger to Reznik) but I would like to see another "good" one.

[WielderOfTheTrueLaw]

I don't think Hierarch Severius has much of a problem with the paladins. It was more Voyle's personal dislike of the Order that created such large resentment towards them. Now that he's passed on/slayed brutally by heretic scum, maybe the order can flourish once again. At this point I don't care if it's a warcaster, unit, or another solo. I just want more Order of the Wall and more Vassals.

[baronvonchaos]

In the IK, Warcasters find no use for Shields. A Warcaster with a shield is a warcaster carting extra weight on him. His Focus power field is his Shield. It would be a divergeance from the foundation of Warcasters to have one with a shield and sword. It would be amazing though.
　
It would indeed make Reznik look like a child in a wheelchair next to an epic Vilmon-ish character warcaster. He'd just pile bad-a on bad-a... It would be a brutal and powerful combo.
　
I think that to make a Paladin-Warcaster, you'd have to dumb down the Paladin so much that the addition of a lvl 3-4 (5-6 focus WC) would be insanely lame. He'd be a little boney man with none of the prowess of Vilmon, with the abilities of a Warcaster. And then he wouldn't be OP'd.

I like the idea, don't misunderstand me. It would just be crazy and awesome!

A unit of Paladins? Hmm... They would be like Paladin Initiates. Smaller shields. Not weapon masters. Something like that. They'd be like children Paladins. I just couldn't imagine a cool troop of Paladins that wouldn't completely overshadow the KE or any other Exemplars. Or perhaps even the TFG...

I want a unit of the Order of the Fist. Themed lists of Idrians for Amon and his jacks with crazy idrians weilding fists of fury.

[cryptomancer]

It's also important to remember that the Order has the personal endorsement of the Harbinger Herself. Vilmon's her personal protector. Now that Voyle's out of the picture, though Severius is still not exactly friendly with the Pally's I could see them gaining numbers, especially since Sevy got his new position thanks to the Harbinger's nomination.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Order of the Wall isn't confined to just the Protectorate's lands, are they? They've got temples and fortresses all over, if I remember correctly. Some in Khador, some fewer in Cygnar, some scattered through Ord and Llael.

-Crypto

[munkeee]

I have been wanting to see a paladin warcaster since the original prime. At least a character unit of three named paladins would be enough to quell my thirst...for now.

[Marius]

A Paladin caster wouldn't necessarily have to be better in melee than Reznik. In fact i very much doubt he would. I see him as much older member of the Order than Vilmon and although not a melee offense oriented model like Reznik or Orsus, he'd be extremely hard to kill and probably give some significant defensive buffs to his troops and warjacks.

[WielderOfTheTrueLaw]

It's also important to remember that the Order has the personal endorsement of the Harbinger Herself. Vilmon's her personal protector. Now that Voyle's out of the picture, though Severius is still not exactly friendly with the Pally's I could see them gaining numbers, especially since Sevy got his new position thanks to the Harbinger's nomination.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Order of the Wall isn't confined to just the Protectorate's lands, are they? They've got temples and fortresses all over, if I remember correctly. Some in Khador, some fewer in Cygnar, some scattered through Ord and Llael.

-Crypto

actually they're religion is menite, meaning you'll only find them in select areas of Khador and the Protectorate.

[baronvonchaos]

Defensive buffs.... /drool.

[Mr.B]

Order of the Wall is all about protection and defense. Vilmon is the crazy one who said screw the sheild i need a huge sword to kill with!

[Lanz]

I could easily see a unit of paladins, trainees. The fluff behind them says that becomming a paladin is a rough life, and takes a long time. With the seige so close to home, it would make sense that the Order of the Wall starts putting groups of paladins directly into live combat as part of their training, learning firsthand what it means to protect people as a paladin.

[Soulblighter]

Then again, now that I think of it, A paladin warcaster would pretty much be Menoths Butcher style caster. A melee brute that makes Reznik seem like a kid in a wheel chair. Though with more of a troop then jack focus that Butcher has.

Reznik is Menoth's Butcher style caster. A paladin caster would like be more of a Vlad style caster in that he would be extremely hard to kill.

[squidstudios]

I'd like to see more paladins too, but I'm not sure that a paladin warcaster or even unit is the answer. A unit of trainees would be too wimpy--unless it came with a UA--but a unit of full paladins is too much considering our three solos already. And a warcaster? I'd like to see it, but so far I haven't heard much that makes it seem like a good gameplay/variety choice. He (or she?) would need some cool fluff to separate him from the rest of the OotW. Why haven't other paladins demonstrated warcaster tendencies, you know?

All this is just to say that I, too, am in favor of a few more useful models that fit somewhere into the "good" side of the PoM spectrum...but aren't the Exemplars + Kreoss. Agony, terror, and mercilessness are getting sort of passe for me.

[Bruan]

I wouldn't mind seeing a paladin warcaster. Maybe a Paladin in training, where his divine warcaster abilities were discovered prior to becoming a full fledged paladin?

The sword and shield wouldn't be too bad. A longsword and a magical towershield, both of which are attacks? I could see tons of defensive buffs and maybe even healing abilities.

[MenothJohn]

You guys are d-cks for rubbing it in that we didn't get the Paladin warcaster we've desired as a faction for years. Salt in very fresh wounds, mofos.

Dude...maybe they didn't see the earlier posts...but I do agree with you Snake...a Paladin warcaster is something to be sad about

[Lanz]

I think a lot of people overlook Kreoss as already being menoth's 'good guy' knight. You look at most of his fluff in most of the books, and he's hardly an evil person, he's about as knightly as a knight gets, he's just not as vocal about it as, say, Vilmon, because he puts his duty to menoth first.

Anyways, I doubt we'll see a paladin warcaster for a long time now. We've seen our new Mk2 caster, so unless PP plans on releasing 2 casters for every faction and are just hiding it from us, we won't be seeing even a possibility of a new caster until the next book after Mk2 comes out.

So chances are, this suggested 'new paladin' mentioned by PP will be either a solo or a unit. And we have 2 solo's already, so a unit seems more likely. I don't think it'd make much sense to have a unit of fullly-fledged paladins, though. they've been fighting as independant solos all this time, why would they just randomly form a unit now? And where would that leave the solos?

I'm expecting something like precursor knights with Weaponmaster, or maybe flank with normal paladin solos instead of weaponmaster.

[Marius]

So chances are, this suggested 'new paladin' mentioned by PP will be either a solo or a unit. And we have 2 solo's already, so a unit seems more likely. I don't think it'd make much sense to have a unit of fullly-fledged paladins, though. they've been fighting as independant solos all this time, why would they just randomly form a unit now? And where would that leave the solos?

Ahh, but our current paladins arn't on horse's. Either a cavalry solo or cavalry unit would fit the paladins.

[strangedane]

Is it confirmed that we will get more Paladins?? I don't think the idea of a 10 man unit of paladins is very fluff vise, but a small character unit of 3 would be awsome!!

[Mr.B]

Is it confirmed that we will get more Paladins?? I don't think the idea of a 10 man unit of paladins is very fluff vise, but a small character unit of 3 would be awsome!!

Now you're talk'in! I could see that. They could have almost a Great Bears feel to them.

[squidstudios]

The thing is, if we get something powerful then the other factions will get powerful things too. And I'm too lazy to want to cope with them having more powerful things. Tit for tat, and all that.

[Snake Eyes]

I remember reading somewhere, maybe the last NQ, that there would be more paladins soon. Does that mean more types as solos or an actual unit or maybe a warcaster?

There are no new Paladins in the Protectorate future at this time. Unless the OP quotes the source instead of "I remember reading somewhere".

Sounds like you guys actually think there's rumor of new Paladins. There isn't.

[ChaosWolf]

OK, I started this mess and have been thinking about it. Well, we have KE, KEE, Bastions, and Vengers, all with no UA or WA.

What if new pallies were introduced to become WA's or UA's that provided defensive buffs to our units, maybe magic resistence or added defense or armor.

I think that would solve the UA/WA for the Exemplars as well as adding more pallies. Pallies seem to be a bit more "special" and forming units might be a bit much and I can't see how a Pally would allow themselves to be a warcaster. (Figured this out after reading more fluff.)

So, what do you all think?

[Lanz]

Ahh, but our current paladins arn't on horse's. Either a cavalry solo or cavalry unit would fit the paladins.

I don't think cavalry fits them at all. Cavalry aren't remotely a defensive unit, they are heavily agressive. You don't use cavalry to protect people(usually the opposate). How do you use a shield stance on a horse?

Being cavalry would mean that they'd have to be an asset that is protected at the expense of others, paladins aren't that vain, and wouldn't put someone else in harms way to protect themselves, so being so onesidedly-aggressive as cavalry would be about as far opposate as it gets. A Dragoon, maybe, but I don't expect we'd see another dragoon so soon, we only just got our first one last book.

Anyways, a new unit of cavalry would be a really big deal, and probably all the factions would get it.

I think a trio-paladin group would be pretty cool though. Would have been much better to get that in the first place instead of the visgoth.

There are no new Paladins in the Protectorate future at this time. Unless the OP quotes the source instead of "I remember reading somewhere".

Sounds like you guys actually think there's rumor of new Paladins. There isn't.

I think I remember seeing a post from a PG in regards to new paladin(s) too, actually.

[Deimos]

We are all getting another Dragoon. Ours is Epic Vilmon.

/daydream

-MW-

[Marius]

I don't think cavalry fits them at all. Cavalry aren't remotely a defensive unit, they are heavily agressive. You don't use cavalry to protect people(usually the opposate). How do you use a shield stance on a horse?

Paladins use horses. They have at least some sort of cavalry, even if it's just individual mounted paladins rather than a unit. IKCG p83 has a picture of one, though unfortunatly, no actual information on the role mounted paladins serve within the Order of the Wall. What is certain though is that the paladin pictured is a mounted warrior, as he's armed with a lance and shield, rather than a paladin using a horse as transport.

[Moonblade]

I have a theory.

Take a look at Harlen Versh, Narn, Taryn di la Rovissi, and other IK models that were being conjugated into the Warmachine game.

I bet our new 'Paladin model' NQ said is going to be Sir Ekkrion.

[toastix]

I would love to have a Paladin warcaster, but I bet we will sea paladin unit as well. Since the order has had a recruitment rise I could see a unit of etry level paladins as a unit. Something that would probably be a cross between KE and TFG. But yeah I was really hopeing our new caster was going to be a paladin. A Zelot caster is just as good imo.

[toastix]

There are no new Paladins in the Protectorate future at this time. Unless the OP quotes the source instead of "I remember reading somewhere".

Sounds like you guys actually think there's rumor of new Paladins. There isn't.

It was in Apotheosis I believe. When Vilmon took front and center, as the figure head for paladins. I am pretty sure they saw a new wave of recruits.

[ChaosWolf]

Doesn't Vilmon protect Feora? (why I have no idea if she is a beatstick herself when self buffed).

Also, Kreoss was going to become a paladin until a Khadorian Exempler found him in prayer after raping some bad guys. He then decided to fight for Menoth instead of fight for good?

[Demeritus]

Vilmon protects the Harbinger.

[Lanz]

Paladins use horses. They have at least some sort of cavalry, even if it's just individual mounted paladins rather than a unit. IKCG p83 has a picture of one, though unfortunatly, no actual information on the role mounted paladins serve within the Order of the Wall. What is certain though is that the paladin pictured is a mounted warrior, as he's armed with a lance and shield, rather than a paladin using a horse as transport.

Are you sure that the paladin is an actual 'order of the wall' paladin? I got the impression from their fluff that there were other orders of paladins too. I'm pretty sure when the order was made, they weren't marching up and down the walls riding horses. Not to mention how incredibly difficult(and counter-intuitive) it would be to be carrying a massive tower shield on a horse.

Maybe a paladin is riding a horse, just like Vilmon is a paladin without a shield. Even in his case, two handed swords aren't generally a common practise, he made that decision himself to adapt to his role.(even though it makes little difference now, he doesn't differ to heavily from a paladin with a shield and sword, aside from the Reach.)

[Marius]

Are you sure that the paladin is an actual 'order of the wall' paladin? I got the impression from their fluff that there were other orders of paladins too. I'm pretty sure when the order was made, they weren't marching up and down the walls riding horses. Not to mention how incredibly difficult(and counter-intuitive) it would be to be carrying a massive tower shield on a horse.

Maybe a paladin is riding a horse, just like Vilmon is a paladin without a shield. Even in his case, two handed swords aren't generally a common practise, he made that decision himself to adapt to his role.(even though it makes little difference now, he doesn't differ to heavily from a paladin with a shield and sword, aside from the Reach.)

Yes, he's deffinatly Order of the Wall. He's in the same armour as the IK Order of the Wall paladin. Their ceremonial "fugly" armour or somthing. Neither the horse riding paladin or the IK paladin carry tower shields, just normal sized shields. If i were to hazard a guess, i'd say they probably represent the members of the Order of the Wall that do the moving around and protecting people type stuff. He may not even be a Protectorate paladin, but one of the Order's paladins who are present in other nations. I'm sure there's more to the Order of the Wall than what we've seen so far. Sure their traditional role is standing as a bulwark between the faithful and the heathens, but that doesn't mean that's all they do.

A few years ago the Skorne were expected as a WM faction that rode giant...mouse-elephants..., cavalry were never going to be in WM, epics were unheard and undreamt of. But today all those things and more exist. Never say never when it comes to PP. A Order of the Wall cavalry unit is entirely possible, though i'd have to agree a cavalry solo is more likely.