A Ranger Sniper Idea

[Virgil38]

Here is something I would like to see:

Ranger Sniper
Cygnar Solo

SPD 7
STR 5
MAT 6
RAT 8
DEF 14
ARM 11
CMD 8

FA:

2

Point Cost:

1

Base Size:

Small Base

Advance Deployment
Pathfinder

Camouflage
Prowl

Sniper

WEAPONS

Scoped Rifle [1x] (None) RNG: 14 ROF: 1 AOE: - POW: 11
Knife [1x] (None) POW: 2P+S: 7





Just a thought.

[haji]

That would more likely be worth 2 points. Also I would like if it improved normal rangers.

[thesavage]

I would like to see a Ranger Warcaster. Unfortunately, it would probably look a lot like Kara Sloan.

[zombie-a-go-go]

So a Widowmaker, with higher POW, MAT, RAT, and SPD, with Camouflage and Prowl, for 1 point?

I don't think so.

[Virgil38]

Well, a full unit of Widowmakers is 4 for 4.

But 2 I guess would work.

So a Widowmaker, with higher POW, MAT, RAT, and SPD, with Camouflage and Prowl...

And that's the basic statline of a Ranger, only with snipe and higher RAT. 5 points for 6 of those guys too.

[Marius]

I would like to see a Ranger Warcaster. Unfortunately, it would probably look a lot like Kara Sloan.

There's an awesome Ranger warcaster in NQ #4. Col Drake Cathmoore. His stats (in MkI) are a cross between Haley and Caine, Camouflage, Pathfinder, Trailblazer, gives JMWC +1FA, Arcane Blast, Arcane Shield, Blur, Deadeye, Illumination and Snipe. His Feat stood up all friendly models in his CTRL area and gave all friendly models in his CTRL area boosted range ATK & DAM rolls. Rng 13 RoF2 POW 12 gun with Crit Detonator and a sword as useful as Caine's.

Snipe, Illumination, Deadeye & 3 Arcane Shields in one army plus a feat that worked on mercs...naughty!

Edit: I should also point out that because he's for use in a historical scenario, he didn't have access to the full modern Cygnaran arsenal. No Defenders, Hunters or gunmages for instance. And he couldn't be used with any other warcasters. Still, he could have Cygnaran Mules & Talons .

He was very OP! But good fun .

A very toned down WC like him would be awesome.

Also, strictly speaking Kraye is a ranger, Sloan is a gunmage, but i guess your more wanting the ranger type warcaster (shoot & stealth) rather than which branch of the millitary they come from.

[Virgil38]

There's an awesome Ranger warcaster in NQ #4. Col Drake Cathmoore.

Actually he was an earlier gun mage... and perhaps our best warcaster...

[ZenBattleLust]

Actually he was an earlier gun mage... and perhaps our best warcaster...

Perhaps the best warcaster. I play tested him two games, and with Mk. I trenchers. I got first turn caster kills both games. The second game he knew it was coming and had an entire unit of shield walled Ironfangs standing in front of Sorscha, but still went down to the Deadeyed-Sniped-feated-bayonet charging 13 man trencher unit of doom. Rat 5 + 4d6 hits def 19 on average. Boosted pow 11's kill casters almost as well as boosted pow 12's. 13 of them is downright terrifying.

[GunMageinTraining]

Lol, yes, we all regret the passing of the legend.

I'd be happy for some spell that boosts the Damage of the guns... to heck with accuracy, we've got plenty of ways of getting that up, but nothing to make them hit harder (save Siege once a game)

[mrhuettel]

honestly, i'd take two of them in most games. they fill the role that the gmca had in mk.1 but i'd drop its rat to 7 - 8 is tremendously high, especially as the sniper with AD and pathfinder would run into the nearest forest and stay there, shooting at a rat of 10 effectively.
cygnar could well use something like kell bailoch or the widowmakers (i guess that's what you were aiming at) but maybe your sniper needs some toning down to not make it overpowered.

still: i'm in on it!

[Virgil38]

We are rather limited in that area, aren't we? Problem is I can't think of anything that wouldn't be insane if Cygnar had it. A spell like Hand of Fate would be disgusting if placed on ATGMs.


EDIT: Oh, and...

Ranger Sniper
Cygnar Solo

SPD 7
STR 5
MAT 6
RAT 7
DEF 14
ARM 11
CMD 8

FA:

2

Point Cost:

2

Base Size:

Small Base

Advance Deployment
Pathfinder

Camouflage
Prowl
Sniper

WEAPONS
Scoped Rifle [1x] (None) RNG: 14 ROF: 1 AOE: - POW: 11
Knife [1x] (None) POW: 2P+S: 7

[GunMageinTraining]

Rat 7 would work fine, since he would work in hand with Rangers. 2 points would be ok, if you gave him another shot if he hits-kills with his first...

Nah, I honestly think that he'd only be a 1 point model, for all it's a sniper, is a solo, which has disadvantages compared to units as far as buffing spells go. Snipe (spell) on a unit of rangers (or widowmakers if they had it) is a far better deal than on a solo.

[thesavage]

There's an awesome Ranger warcaster in NQ #4. Col Drake Cathmoore.

I don't understand. What happened to him? Did Privateer ever make a model for him? You say that he was used in a historical campaign. How long ago was it supposed to have occurred?

[PG_Dino-Czar]

I don't understand. What happened to him? Did Privateer ever make a model for him? You say that he was used in a historical campaign. How long ago was it supposed to have occurred?

He put Karchev in his current state... 200 years ago?

There was never a model though. He was just a concept.

[masleth]

Try this out:

ability: powerscope-when this model forfeits its movement to gain the aiming bonus, it gains an additional +2 RAT and +2 Range. You could even stick with standard ranger stat line this way.

But anyway. Ranger sniper would be cool, but I think it might work better as a WA or UA officer than a solo. It'd be a little easier on the army "integrity" no random ranger solo's in a stormblade theme force, etc.

[TsavongLah]

Well, it's not like we have much "army integrity" as it is... we already had a random Gun Mage solo in every mkI force, and now that he sucks we seem to always have a random Gun Mage trio in every force.

[Techcasualty]

Two things:
1. Cygnar HATES snipers. Fluff goes that it is a forbidden style of war for them. Widowmakers are not taken prisoner, they are executed on site. That is why the only one we have, the trencher, is a sharpshooter, not a sniper.

2. Why not just make it a weapon attachment for the ranger unit to keep the price down.

[TsavongLah]

Good point, we'll just have to call him a Ranger Sharpshooter.

[thesavage]

Cygnar HATES snipers. Fluff goes that it is a forbidden style of war for them. Widowmakers are not taken prisoner, they are executed on site. That is why the only one we have, the trencher, is a sharpshooter, not a sniper.

Hmm, that is fascinating. Reminds me of when the French would cut of captured English Longbowmen's fingers. . . except that Widowmakers are executed.

I would like to see why it is a forbidden style of war for Cygnar. They're the shooty army, why not shoot someone from a longer distance away? It's also a little weird because at least two warcasters I know of (pStryker, pCaine) have spells named SNIPE.

Kind of hypocritical of them, don't you think?

[Techcasualty]

Most likely why snipers are hated in ww1/ww2. It is considered a dirty tactic. Instead of fighting man to man, a sniper sneaks into no mans land and picks off the integral part of your offense. They are sneaky little rats that attack you when you are at a time of rest or eating. They are not weapons to cripple a man, they are weapons to cripple a company. To add, because they fight so personally with their target, seeing exactly where they are hitting their target and what they are doing, it would appear to be something of murder rather than manslaughter.

Good point, we'll just have to call him a Ranger Sharpshooter.

then it would be a unit attachment, not a solo

[thesavage]

Just a thought, since Cygnar is surrounded on all sides by enemies, and they are recruiting younger and younger people every year, eventually there will come a point where they can no longer sustain their current tactics. They might learn to embrace the sniper who can cripple an enemy army. That way countless trenchers/stormblades/Black 13ths won't have to die to take down one person, even if that person is a warcaster.

Okay, as you may have guessed, I really like snipers. I like picking people off from a distance in general. That's why I went Cygnar.

[Marius]

Actually he was an earlier gun mage... and perhaps our best warcaster...

I always assumed he was a Ranger, given that his abilities are all Ranger abilities, with only the crit detonator pointing to him being a gun mage. Agreed on him possibly being our best warcaster, if only he was legal .

And just checked. NQ4, p70 "The veteran ranger and warcaster instructor, Colonel Drake Cathmoore, led the defenders...". Also on p74 "Colonel Cathmoore was a former ranger and rifleman...". So, he is deffinatly a ranger.

Edit: More snipers are always good, as long as their on my (my Cygnar's, anyway) side. It's kind of a weird position for Cygnar. On one hand they dislike snipers because of the reasons stated above, but on the other a well placed sniper shot can save countless Cygnaran lives, something that fits the Cygnaran philosophy perfectly.

[TsavongLah]

then it would be a unit attachment, not a solo

Blast, outwitted!

[bouncymischa]

I'd be happy for some spell that boosts the Damage of the guns... to heck with accuracy, we've got plenty of ways of getting that up, but nothing to make them hit harder (save Siege once a game)

Well, there's always Aiyana & Holt. It'd be interesting to see a warcaster that could cast Harm, but with the access to Arc Nodes... it'd probably be rather broken. XD

[bmeier]

Well, there's always Aiyana & Holt. It'd be interesting to see a warcaster that could cast Harm, but with the access to Arc Nodes... it'd probably be rather broken. XD

Well eMagnus has a spell called calamity that gives +2 to hit and damage and it is an upkeep spell so I guess it is not that broken.

[bouncymischa]

Well eMagnus has a spell called calamity that gives +2 to hit and damage and it is an upkeep spell so I guess it is not that broken.

Well, I suppose there's that, then. I'll admit, I'm not terribly familiar with Magnus2, so I hadn't realized there already was a spell that mimicked Harm.

[mrhuettel]

EDIT: Oh, and...

Ranger Sniper Lieutenant
Cygnar Unit Attachment

Damage: 5

SPD 7
STR 5
MAT 6
RAT 7
DEF 14
ARM 11
CMD 9

FA:1

Point Cost:

2

Base Size:

Small Base

Advance Deployment
Pathfinder

Camouflage
Prowl
Sniper
Mark Target
Officer
Tactics: Treewalker - Models in this unit gain Treewalker
Treewalker - This model ignores forests when determining LOS. While in a forest, this model gains +2 DEF against melee attack rolls and can advance through obstructions and other models if it has enough movement to move completely past them.

WEAPONS
Scoped Rifle [1x] (None) RNG: 14 ROF: 1 AOE: - POW: 11
Knife [1x] (None) POW: 2P+S: 7

fixed some things

now, what do you think: let's start a campaign for our ranger ua!

[Virgil38]

That's a pretty badass UA. I could go for that. Also, Marius, did it say anything in the fluff about him being a gun mage or having magelock pistols or something? I could swear he was a gun mage.

As for snipers and WWI / WWII, it wasn't that the allies didn't like snipers, they just didn't have specialized training like the Germans or Russians. In fact, during the American Revolutionary War the Kentucky Long Rifle was the tool of snipers. I don't see Cygnar hating snipers, but I could see the lack of initiative to make a dedicated killing force like Widowmakers. As for killing Widowmakers, well, it takes a special kind of person to become a sniper...

[Marius]

That's a pretty badass UA. I could go for that. Also, Marius, did it say anything in the fluff about him being a gun mage or having magelock pistols or something? I could swear he was a gun mage.

Doesn't mention either gun mage or magelock, unless i missed it. He's armed with a rifle and sword. I'm not even sure magelocks were around back then. The Arcane Tempest order deffinatly wasn't. I'd have to go digging through several articles to check when magelocks first came about. But i'm sure the info's there somewhere.

[Mutton]

I think Seacat said that he was like Sloan in that he channeled magic through his gun, but nobody really noticed because it was a rifle, not a pistol.

That said, I'd rather have a solo sharpshooter; my ranger squad is generally doing suicide runs for Mark Target instead of shooting. And I don't think the original idea would be overpowered; look at the Ghost Sniper for a 3 damage shot...

That said, if I were to add something to the rangers, it would be a UA that has Tactics: Targeting Beacon. Models affected by the Ranger's Mark Target also lose stealth and Camoflauge. Basically make it so that we aren't effectively forced to take ATGM in our shooty lists.

[PG_Virgil38]

That said, I'd rather have a solo sharpshooter; my ranger squad is generally doing suicide runs for Mark Target instead of shooting. And I don't think the original idea would be overpowered; look at the Ghost Sniper for a 3 damage shot...

That said, if I were to add something to the rangers, it would be a UA that has Tactics: Targeting Beacon. Models affected by the Ranger's Mark Target also lose stealth and Camoflauge. Basically make it so that we aren't effectively forced to take ATGM in our shooty lists.

I agree. A solo would add a bit more flexability (besides if RoS can steal our stuff, we should do it back). Targeting beacon sounds like a pretty cool idea. Nothing over the top, but adds that flexable component to army building.