Theoretical Plastic Kits.

[Wicked E]

This has probably come up before, but I'm in a speculative mood.

If, theoretically, there was to be a new Heavy Jack Kit for the factions, what Chassis would they be based on? It sounds fairly obvious for most factions:

Khador: Devy Chassis W/ Devastator, Spriggan, ???
Cryx: Crabjack Chassis W/ Leviathan, Harrower, ???
Cygnar: Centy Chassis W/ Centurion, Hammersmith, ???
Menoth: "Homebrew" Chassis W/ Castigator, Reckoner, ???

But, then, what about a Merc one?
The question is whether Rocinante is an Upgrade kit for a brand new Merc Plastic Kit or a brand new $50 sculpt. If, theoretically, it WAS an upgrade kit, then that kit would have 3 jacks it could make. One, obviously, is the Nomad, and the third would be something entirely new...
So what existing Jack would make it into that second slot?

You have the Mangler and the Mule, but these have stark differences in chassis to the Nomad, whether by Boiler design or simply bulkier armor. If either of these were to be used, there would be some....not heavy resculpts but more complicated resculpting to more match the Nomad's appearance.

Thoughts?

[trolldrengi]

This has probably come up before, but I'm in a speculative mood.

If, theoretically, there was to be a new Heavy Jack Kit for the factions, what Chassis would they be based on? It sounds fairly obvious for most factions:

Khador: Devy Chassis W/ Devastator, Spriggan, ???
Cryx: Crabjack Chassis W/ Leviathan, Harrower, ???
Cygnar: Centy Chassis W/ Centurion, Hammersmith, ???
Menoth: "Homebrew" Chassis W/ Castigator, Reckoner, ???

But, then, what about a Merc one?
The question is whether Rocinante is an Upgrade kit for a brand new Merc Plastic Kit or a brand new $50 sculpt. If, theoretically, it WAS an upgrade kit, then that kit would have 3 jacks it could make. One, obviously, is the Nomad, and the third would be something entirely new...
So what existing Jack would make it into that second slot?

You have the Mangler and the Mule, but these have stark differences in chassis to the Nomad, whether by Boiler design or simply bulkier armor. If either of these were to be used, there would be some....not heavy resculpts but more complicated resculpting to more match the Nomad's appearance.

Thoughts?

I've said this several times.... But I can't wait for these kits to be released!!! I have a number of lists I'd like to build with more Devastators.

Plus, I want upgrade kits for the Kodiak, Stormclad, etc...

--Tom

[Nalik]

Rhulic jacks could go with plastic eventually.

[George Spiggott]

The Mule is on the nomad chassis so my guess is Nomad + Mule + ??? with Rocinante being a white metal upgrade kit. Hopefully followed by the following over the next couple of years by:

Mariner + Freebooter + ??? kit and character privateer white metal upgrade kit
Driller + Avalancher + Rockram + ??? kit and character rhulic white metal upgrade kit

The third 'crabjack' may well be hiding on the front cover of Wrath.

[Indy]

Are there new regular jacks in Wrath? I know there's a pair of characters for each faction, but I hadn't heard if they were doing some mundane heavies on the 2nd chassis that might lead them to releasing kits for those. Cause my Ret badly needs more mundane jacks, damnit...

[Raven28256]

Are there new regular jacks in Wrath? I know there's a pair of characters for each faction, but I hadn't heard if they were doing some mundane heavies on the 2nd chassis that might lead them to releasing kits for those. Cause my Ret badly needs more mundane jacks, damnit...

There has been a lot of speculation that Retribution might be getting a second plastic jack kit featuring House Vyre jacks. This would make sense; the new warcaster is from House Vyre and Hypnos (Along with Rocinante) is the only character jack for the new warcasters not being released in July. There has been speculation that the reason for Rocinante and Hypnos not being released with the others is because they are either full models instead of upgrades or they are for plastic kits we don't yet know about.

After all, it would be very lame if Hypnos was an upgrade kit for the current plastic kit because those are Shyeel jacks. Like someone said in another topic, it would be like the CEO of Dodge showing up driving a Ford. I wouldn't be surprised if Retribution gets a new House Vyre plastic kit for Wrath. Also, wasn't in determined that Retribution might be getting like two or three extra releases in Wrath by examining the SKUs we know about? One of those might be a new plastic kit.

[Ger]

Mangler can go on a Nomad+Mule. All 3 have different shoulders so the pads would need to be replacable.


Freebooter, Mariner, ???
Driller, Rockram, Avalancher (Some decent differences in the shoulder bits and other rivets)

I do say this knowing some details would need to be mixed together more.

[MadJack]

It's worth noting that the differences between the Nomad and Mule chassis aren't significantly greater than the differences between the classic Ironclad and Defender chassis. The Mangler, on the other hand, has more similarities with the Ironclad chassis (with extra armor plates bolted across the shoulders) than with the Nomad chassis. The similarities between the Driller, Avalancher, and Rockram chassis are also about the same as the similarities between the classic Ironclad and Defender chassis.

[Ger]

Fair point Madjack. However as I said, shoulder plates go a long way in solving that.

With our "Repaired with bits of string, gum, and cursing" look for our jacks. PP could easily give the kit a bit more look variety via a sprue of bits.

[MadJack]

Fair point Madjack. However as I said, shoulder plates go a long way in solving that.

With our "Repaired with bits of string, gum, and cursing" look for our jacks. PP could easily give the kit a bit more look variety via a sprue of bits.

Well, as far as the Mangler goes, from a fluff standpoint I believe that they are supposed to actually be built from a variety of salvaged heavy warjack/laborjack chassis anyway, so I really don't see why you couldn't have it on the same plastic kit as one for the Nomad and Mule. Upon re-reading my post, I see that it looks like I'm disagreeing with your assessment of the Mangler, but that wasn't actually my intent. I actually completely agree with you, I was just adding a few observations about the various existing metal models.

[PG_Alviaran]

Nomad/Mangler/Mule could certainly be on the same chassis. And some of the minor differences can be be melded. Look at the Ironclad and Defender. Defender had different plates across the shoulders. They just went with the Ironclad's. Minor differences like that would be great.

I'd love to see some more plastic heavies. I don't play my Harrower and Leviathan often enough, but I'd get more Reckoners/Castigators. And since I am going to start up some Highborn, some plastic Merc jacks to go with Gallant (because let's be honest, this is the whole reason for me wanting to do this!) would be fantastic.

[Wicked E]

I thought the legs on the Mule were very different than the Nomads...

[MadJack]

I thought the legs on the Mule were very different than the Nomads...

No, they're almost identical. The legs on the Mangler, on the other hand, are different, being more like the legs of a classic Ironclad and Defender.

[PG_Sobek]

Are there new regular jacks in Wrath? I know there's a pair of characters for each faction, but I hadn't heard if they were doing some mundane heavies on the 2nd chassis that might lead them to releasing kits for those. Cause my Ret badly needs more mundane jacks, damnit...

There are most likely new regular jacks. In the background of the Wrath cover there's a Cryx Crabjack that has a buzzsaw on one of it's arms.

There has been a lot of speculation that Retribution might be getting a second plastic jack kit featuring House Vyre jacks. This would make sense; the new warcaster is from House Vyre and Hypnos (Along with Rocinante) is the only character jack for the new warcasters not being released in July. There has been speculation that the reason for Rocinante and Hypnos not being released with the others is because they are either full models instead of upgrades or they are for plastic kits we don't yet know about.

...

I wouldn't be surprised if Retribution gets a new House Vyre plastic kit for Wrath. Also, wasn't in determined that Retribution might be getting like two or three extra releases in Wrath by examining the SKUs we know about? One of those might be a new plastic kit.

Also, in Vyros' new Theme list in NQ, it mentions that he can only take Warjacks with Field Dependent. Currently, that means ALL Ret warjacks, which implies that Ret will be getting warjacks that don't have the Field Dependent rule. House Vyre jacks, perhaps?

It's not that Ret has more SKUs; I think they have about the same number. What hints that Ret will be getting a couple more releases is that some of the SKUs for the other factions are resculpts. Since Ret doesn't have any resculpts coming, it implies that ALL their SKUs will be for new models.

[SpiralingCadaver]

Something worth noting is that the Mangler is actually on the Ironclad chassis, not the nomad/mule chassis. It would be more fit for an upgrade kit, in theory.

[PG_Alviaran]

There are most likely new regular jacks. In the background of the Wrath cover there's a Cryx Crabjack that has a buzzsaw on one of it's arms.



Also, in Vyros' new Theme list in NQ, it mentions that he can only take Warjacks with Field Dependent. Currently, that means ALL Ret warjacks, which implies that Ret will be getting warjacks that don't have the Field Dependent rule. House Vyre jacks, perhaps?

It's not that Ret has more SKUs; I think they have about the same number. What hints that Ret will be getting a couple more releases is that some of the SKUs for the other factions are resculpts. Since Ret doesn't have any resculpts coming, it implies that ALL their SKUs will be for new models.

I agree with all of this here.

Something worth noting is that the Mangler is actually on the Ironclad chassis, not the nomad/mule chassis. It would be more fit for an upgrade kit, in theory.

But aren't all three supposed to be decommissioned or salvaged Cygnaran jacks anyway? Again, they could very easily meld the slight differences between the two to make a plastic kit that can go in all three directions.

[Raven28256]

Also, in Vyros' new Theme list in NQ, it mentions that he can only take Warjacks with Field Dependent. Currently, that means ALL Ret warjacks, which implies that Ret will be getting warjacks that don't have the Field Dependent rule. House Vyre jacks, perhaps?

It's not that Ret has more SKUs; I think they have about the same number. What hints that Ret will be getting a couple more releases is that some of the SKUs for the other factions are resculpts. Since Ret doesn't have any resculpts coming, it implies that ALL their SKUs will be for new models.

That too. The book mentioned that Vyre jacks are different from Shyeel jacks and were originally considered inferior, so they probably have a different take on the power field and Field Dependent.

I suppose it is possible, now that I think about it, that Retribution does have one or two variants coming as opposed to actual resculpts, like a variant of the Ghost Sniper similar to how they came out with a variant of the ever popular MHA. Doubtful, and I do hope that all those SKUs are new models from Wrath, but it wouldn't exactly surprise me if one of those SKUs is a variant of a popular FA 2 solo like the Ghost Sniper or Magister.