Calgary Warmahordes

[PG_Ghool]

Oh, right. All character 'jacks, and units. Solos are a different story, and it's tough to use all non-character solos. So, they are exempt.
I think we might just have to make it character 'jacks. Because there's a lot of Merc units that are character as well.

I'm still messing around with the list, so it's likely going to change anyways. All I'm really concerned with at the moment is the battlegroup.

I'm probably going to fit Gun Mages in there instead, and likely some different support solos.

So, let's just say the official rule is no character 'jacks, or epics, or in-faction character units (barring Merc/Minion units) allowed until week 4.

[Graycross]

Well, I'm sad My day is incomplete now.

Ahywho
@usb: What size (Diameter) magnets did you use to magnetize your jacks?

[usbprime]

hey gray, i used some rare earth magnets from lee valley. http://www.leevalley.com/en/hardware...363,42348&ap=1 is the web address to see what i've bought. i buy the packs of 10 1/8" x 1/8" mags. and the last time i bought them , i bought 10 packs(they go remarkably fast) to get the extra discount. i'm over halfway through the set i bought already.

Myth has some 1/8" x 1/16" thick mags, but i looked at them, and they don't hold nearly as strong as the rare earths. and they're more expensive for 10 than lee valley's price. i've only run into 2 times that the 1/8" thick has run into problems, but for me i've just run the mags over some 100 grit sandpaper to size the thickness down till i didn't have issues. for most people, though, i'd recommend buying the 1/16" thick mags if they run into those same problems, just avoid them for the general construction of joints, as they're kinda pricey. either way, really, you're getting the most money out of a model, because you can use any of the variants on a single chasis, and it's an easy upgrade to a character jack, rather than having to buy a new model for each.

Now, i have a question. i started priming DJ, and decided to prime my wreck markers, and i started thinking....are we going to award painting points for the markers? if so, i'll do them up to match the rest of my army. if not, i'll probably just leave them primed for the time being.

[PG_Ghool]

I think painting your wreck markers should be awarded points. It's still painting after all.

[Graycross]

I think painting your wreck markers should be awarded points. It's still painting after all.

How many points though O.o

Thanks Usb, if thats the case and it really would be better to buy from Lee Valley. I'd pay you for some I'm needing them to get my Heavy put together. (I counted too, I'm gonna need 15)

Cheers

[usbprime]

i think i could afford to pass on 15.....i have like 40 some left over from all the sets i've done. i'll hook you up for free this time(i mean it's only like 2.50 anyways) i'll bring them, and my drill/bit this next sunday if you'll be there. next time i go get some from lee valley, i'll post up here and pick up packs for anyone who wants to assemble a megna-set. it's convenient for me anywho, i live like 5-10 minutes away from it anyways.

for points, i figure 1/2 points for the matching size set, so 1 point for a medium base, and 1.5 for large base. i feel that'd be fair, as they're not near as technical to paint as full models. even just 1 point for all wreck markers would be alright with me.

[PG_Vynde]

But hordes doesnt have wreck markers, no fair :P

Look forward to starting this finally on sunday.. cant decide between vayl or pThag to start now.. hmmm. Ill probably be up for a 15p game and then a 50p game afterwords. Are we counting any games for game points ghool? or should i focus on 15p games this weekend.

[usbprime]

if possible, i'd like to stick to the point values per week. for me, i'm unfamiliar with the way the witches are going to play, so i'm hoping to blast of a bunch of 15 point games. possible lose them all, but i want to learn more how they're going to play before i go too crazy and build a 50 point list.

[Graycross]

I'm with Usb on just playing the designated points level, Thanks by the way

For the record, I will ALWAYS be there on sundays unless I say otherwise. If I'm not there and I haven't said anything I'm probably dead.

In terms of points awarded for wreck markers I think we should just award points for a working jack -1 so 1 point for a light and 2 for a heavy. I know not that far away from usb's idea but it makes for simpler numbers

[BleedNoMore]

I agree too though i will be in only every other weekend because of work unless people stay after 330. But ill be using thyra and dont have alot of the models I need and will need time to build to 50pts.

[PG_Vynde]

Okie dokie, 15p games can just be very one sided haha. Though i didnt mean play a 50p game with your journeymen caster, but just play our regular 50p games as i find 35-50p games a lot more enjoyable. Either way i'm up for what ever the group decides.

I think wreck markers should be 1 point each, no matter the size. Especially since they are so simple, and not everyone can do them.

[usbprime]

that's kinda why i said half points. because they are simpler, but a large wreck will take more time to paint than a medium wreck, but less time than a medium jack. that, and half points aren't hard to work with. now if i said .625 points for a medium wreck and 1.125 points for a large wreck, i might have agreed with you. i think 2 points for a large wreck becomes too much gray, because i could just go buy 10 large wreck markers and paint them all in a few hours, where 1 medium jack would take me the same time, plus at least a half hour to assemble (2-3 hours with some of the modeling i do on my latest ones) i'll just write down whatever i paint on my journeyman score sheet i printed off, but i'll leave tally's blank till we hammer out some firm figures.

On a side note.....after hours and hours of modeling, which included cutting both his arms, legs, parts of his torso into pieces and rebuilding them, and cutting another jack into 15+ pieces and reassembling him......DJ got primed today, and some of the battle damage i drilled and carved into him and the charger look great. i'm so excited to show him off this sunday, after i finish the witchcoven(who're nearly completed) i'll start painting him. if i get 2 days of painting this week, i may be able to finish his body (his arms, top armor plate, skulls of hate and the ship banister are still separate)

[Graycross]

that's kinda why i said half points. because they are simpler, but a large wreck will take more time to paint than a medium wreck, but less time than a medium jack. that, and half points aren't hard to work with. now if i said .625 points for a medium wreck and 1.125 points for a large wreck, i might have agreed with you. i think 2 points for a large wreck becomes too much gray, because i could just go buy 10 large wreck markers and paint them all in a few hours, where 1 medium jack would take me the same time, plus at least a half hour to assemble (2-3 hours with some of the modeling i do on my latest ones)

Fair enough, but I'll say this now, it takes me a damn long time to paint a medium jack. (I probably still wont be done my Charger or my Lancer by next weekend)

[PG_Ghool]

Wreck markers; I'd say 1 point per is fine. That's a small models points from what I recall, yes? We can put a limit on it and say 2 points max for wreck markers. That really depends on what everyone is comfortable with. That way, you get points for painting up one medium, and one large, or two of one size.

I'd say let count points only for your journeyman lists, but that doesn't mean we can't play bigger games; I would certainly be up for that. You can get about 3 15 pt games in the time it takes to play one 50, and the entire point of the league is to grow your faction slowly. Unless there's a large consensus to count bigger games for the Journeyman League for the first 4 weeks, I'm fine with only the smaller games counting until week 5, when we're allowed to play the big matches.

I should be there this sunday...I hope.

[PG_Vynde]

Gahhh, i can't decide on a Caster! So many to choose from haha.. well mostly just stuck between pThagrosh and my freshly painted Vayl.. hmm

pThag is just so good in lower point games! but i should probably start to learn Vayl since people say she can be tricky to learn.. and then at 35p i will probably switch to eLylyth.

[PG_Ghool]

I think eHaley will be next for me, after I get pHaley painted up.

I have them all, it's just who I feel like painting up. Once I get some more shooty stuff painted, I'll have to finish off Sloan and give her a try.

[PG_Vynde]

I played eHaley for the first time at Myth-a-con.. man she is a gross caster. Her feat is so powerful, i had originally thought it just allowed your opponent to decide your activation order, i didnt realise you also had to forfeit your moment or action.

[PG_Ghool]

Yep. With 8 Focus, a killer spell list, she's pretty mean.
Yes. She's definitely next....I need to crush you...at least once.

[PG_Vynde]

I did manage to win said game against eHaley

Hah yah she is just an alround beast, all her spells are good, her feat is great. And most importantly she has Telekinesis.

I guess if you're playing her i should probably play Vayl, fight power with power!

[Graycross]

As of current I may or may not be doing a very mean caster switch for the League it mostly depends on whether I want to get Gunmages or Stormblades (Hint, Hint)

For the record, if someone doesn't like said caster, blame Vynde. Its his fault for playing Dead kitten women and her no melee for you feat.
Besides, it seems as though Ghool is bringing a more competitive caster later on.

[PG_Ghool]

All 'casters are competitive.
Don't listen to the forums.
The only difference is that some are easier to use than others. Thus, these are seen as 'more competitive.

[PG_Vynde]

too bad you can't use eHaley till the 35p mark heh.

And as per the competative thing, Ghool is 100% right. Certain casters just seems more competitive because they have a wider range of things they are good against. For example Saeryn, is widely considered in Legions top 3, if not top caster due to the fact that she has answers to so many things, her spell list is just nice and deverse(like eHaley) and her feat can really stop some match ups.

Which as we start to have tournaments and what not, and you start to think about two/three/four list tournaments your list making and caster views will indeed change.

[Graycross]

Yeah, I suppose you guys are right

I'm not even sure if I'm gonna play eCaine though, I might just play pCaine. I just think that I want to get Gunmages and wanted to get eCaine cause he gives them Gunfighter.

[usbprime]

when i picked my caster('s) i decided on them because they're rules and play style are quite different from the way that most (if not all) casters play. so i may very well lose every game i throw them into, but it'll be fun regardless. So here's a stupid Q: a dragoon would warrant me 4 points to paint, as he's a Large and Small base, correct? And i'm wondering about the dragoon rules, the book doesn't do a good job explaining it. so does he just become dismounted when his mounted damage becomes full, or do i have to actually dismount him before his mounted damage boxes become full. my thinking is the first scenario, as his unmounted model, is weaker and has less damage boxes.

[Graycross]

Yup, I think you got the dragoon rules spot on usb

[PG_Ghool]

Yes, once the mounted takes it's full allotment of damage (or more), then they become dismounted.
The beauty is; if the mounted version takes more damage than it takes to kill, it doesn't get transferred to the dismounted model.
I'm pretty sure of that, but I could be wrong. I'll have to double check.

[PG_Vynde]

Don't forget no epics till the 35p week guys :P

USB ya, the witchs are just an entirely different idea for a caster(s), im psyched to see what you do with them. I'm playing casters that are quite a bit out of my normal play style as well(tho nothing compaired to the trio) so hopefully i dont suck.

[Graycross]

Well, hopefully I'll be going to get some "Real" primer today, so that I can actually start painting Haley (and my Multi-Jack once it gets magnetized)

[PG_Vynde]

I'm already done Vayl and a Sereph for the journeyman league. My Crocs arrived in the mail yesturday i will probably get them this weekend. I'll probably start painting my pNemo tonight once i finish my Seraphs base. Should get the rest of my stuff this week or early next

[PG_Ghool]

The best spray primer is Duplicolour Sandable Primer. You can find it in the automotive paint section at Canadian Tire.
And you have a pNemo Vynde??

[PG_Vynde]

And you have a pNemo Vynde??

Yah i'm just painting him because i love the model, i know it wont count for the league.

[usbprime]

So I've been throwing around ideas in my head for the 15 point lists. Just for pure amusment, I may play a chicken bomb list with the witches (either 5 deathrippers, or 4 defilers/5 point chicken). It'll be hilarious, but I read a battle report of a guy that won the final round of an elimination tournament, with a 35 point chicken bomb. So why not try it on 15 points for a good laugh or 3.

[PG_Vynde]

Why is it called a chicken bomb? can the witchs blow stuff up?

I think at 15p i think a lot of lists would have trouble dealing with that many sp7 models whether they have sprays or not. On top of the fact that they are arc nodes heh. but there in lies the problem with 15p games.

PS it looks like my roommate might be able to come out this weekend, so if someone would be willing to play a 35p game with him that would be awesome, as he won't be partcipating in the league.

Bleed: Hes planning on buying the 2 player box and wanted me to ask you if you would want the menoth stuff?

[usbprime]

It's called a chicken bomb, because if you opponent hits them.....BOOOOOM. Explodied poultry all over the table. The list dude used was like 5 scavengers, 2 ripjaws and 2 defilers with the coven. in a tourney, it'd be a super risky move......but really who doesn't enjoy exploding poultry.

[PG_Vynde]

Yah it certainly has bad match ups, but a lot of casters would have a hard time dealing with that many things moving that fast(and being arc nodes) sounds like a pretty sick 15p list lol.

[PG_Vynde]

Double posting whaaaat?

Ghool on sunday can I get you to play a 35p game against my roommate? He has only played maybe 5ish games, all against me and I would really like to have an experienced/helpful player like yourself give him a run. Plus he's pretty much only played Legion, and Cryx at lower point games.

[BleedNoMore]

For sure Vynde, depending on how much he's selling it for I could find a use for it At the very least the Cinnies, Vanquisher & Repenter

[PG_Vynde]

For sure Vynde, depending on how much he's selling it for I could find a use for it

I think hes looking for like 40-50, less then half since he'll be keeping the rulebook.

Edit: He says 40 is good for all the menoth models, does that work for you?

[BleedNoMore]

Sounds fair enough, wont be able to get them for awhile though, still need to invest in a unit of errants for my 50 pt journeyman list. If he wants to hold on to them for awhile though will take them off his hands.

[Graycross]

The best spray primer is Duplicolour Sandable Primer. You can find it in the automotive paint section at Canadian Tire.
And you have a pNemo Vynde??

Ah, wonderful luck that's exactly what I picked up. Maybe I'm psychic.