Egregore information?

[drachenfels]

Just doing some rereading in the forces book and wondering if there was any other information regarding the Egregore than in the covens blurb? It does speak about it being sentient, are there rumors/theories of who/what it is?

Also on a slightly related note who else would want the Coven to go epic by the sentience in Egregore to fully awaken and become a caster him/her/itself?

[Kuwanger23]

I want the coven to go epic next for sure. But I would think it would have to do with one of the sisters dying. Maybe the Egregore envelopes her and they become one? Or maybe the two sisters split their departed sisters power up and you end up with two more powerful sisters. who knows?

[drachenfels]

Personally i see it as a large spirit like being with the parts of the old gore allover him (it was a sealing device?) with the witches all swooning like schoolgirls at his feet (sort of Harbringer style)

[PG_Acradius]

I think it would be interesting to see the Egregore get destroyed and all three of the sisters become their own fully-powered warcaster. That would be like Privateer Press's birthday present to me.

[Valander]

There was a little bit more about the Egregore in Apotheosis, but not a lot more than what's in the current Forces book. It appears to be some kind of Orgoth artifact, likely tied closely to the blood-magic/necromancy that they appeared to have practiced a bunch. How it came to be the "companion" with the Coven is really not presented anywhere that I can remember.

I kind of think the Coven is likely to go epic next, actually, given some of the story in the previous league's fluff. How they might manage it is anyone's guess, though.

[Muffin Man]

I want the coven to go epic next for sure. But I would think it would have to do with one of the sisters dying. Maybe the Egregore envelopes her and they become one? Or maybe the two sisters split their departed sisters power up and you end up with two more powerful sisters. who knows?

One of the sister's got swallowed by the Egregore in the Menoth forces book I think. So, it could happen.

My memory's a little fuzzy, but I think during a battle, one of the witches was mortally(?) wounded, then sucked in and they all disappeared (much screaming and howling accompanied of course).

[BigK42]

I'm a big fan of the coven, but I feel like they need a better feat. There's some stuff that just flat-out ignores it. Like everything in legion, B13, and eSevy. I dunno. LoS blocking just seems a little underpowered. If you slapped eDenny's feat on them, they'd be straight up killers. Most high-focus casters tend to have denial feats. Unless the ball turns into a melee monster, it will probably retain its spell-centric role. What would you want from eCoven anyway?

Maybe something to make the wraith engine worth taking. Like target friendly faction model gains incorporeal and +2 arm. They would also need something to make arc nodes super good. Like "spreading contagion" - arc lightning only it spreads corrosion around. Also something to shut down enemy casters - Pulse effect that says "models (friendly or enemy) cannot boost attack or damage rolls within control area. Mmmm..... sounds good.

[Broken_shards]

for epic coven why am i seeing a hellraiser'esque column of egrgore and melded sisters

[PhilEPhil]

Coven are fun. At times they can be effective as well. I SINCERELY hope they do not go Epic next. There are many FAR better choices for the next Cryx Epic caster though. Terminus, Mortenebra, and Venethrax (in no particular order) are all played more often, more popular overall with players, and have more story/fluff to work off of to springboard them to the Epic level.

I do want to see Epic Coven but they definitely do not deserve to be Epic next.

[Decade]

There's some stuff that just flat-out ignores it. Like everything in legion, B13, and eSevy. I dunno. LoS blocking just seems a little underpowered. If you slapped eDenny's feat on them, they'd be straight up killers.

Well, you're misunderstanding their feat just a little bit. Their feat doesn't block LOS. It limits it to 5". So, units with eyeless sight can only target things within the 5" bubble, because all eyeless sight does is ignore clouds and forests when determining LOS. They still have to be able to draw a LOS to target something. Same with eSeverius's Awareness and the B13's Fire Beacon.

Honestly, their feat has saved my butt on numerous occasions, because it stops most armies dead in their tracks. If your guys are more than 5" away, they can't shoot at them, they can't charge them, they can't target them with spells. Not to mention that they're -2 to MAT & RAT, so we get even harder to hit if they do make attacks.

However, what does screw their feat over is Phantom Hunter or the Mage Hunter Strike Force UA's Phantom Seeker, because it explicitly states that the affected model doesn't need LOS for their attacks.

[Adurot]

I'd rather see Morty for the next Epic caster. She's super bad arse, it TWO casters ganging up on her just to make her leave in I believe the Legion book. Plus she's pretty much in charge of building up the war engine on the main land under Asphxyious and the Lich Lord in charge of the war engine recently retired and left the position vacant.

Who Doesn't want to see Lich Lord Mortenenbra made all awesome looking and huge?

Oh, and more to the topic at hand, Coven are a rather cool concept and the only reason I don't own/use them is I'm solidly on Team Asphxyious.

[drachenfels]

Oh, and more to the topic at hand, Coven are a rather cool concept and the only reason I don't own/use them is I'm solidly on Team Asphxyious.

oh god... Gaspy and Termie are the new Edward/Jacob.... kill me now dragon father!!!

[PG_Alviaran]

However, what does screw their feat over is Phantom Hunter or the Mage Hunter Strike Force UA's Phantom Seeker, because it explicitly states that the affected model doesn't need LOS for their attacks.

A note is that they only ignore LOS for ranged attacks. They are still unable to charge. Something to always keep in mind.

oh god... Gaspy and Termie are the new Edward/Jacob.... kill me now dragon father!!!

Dude, even before Twilight became big, there were forum banners saying "I'm with Terminus" and such.

And for the record, I'm with Skarre. You guys can fight it out. I'm going with the evil pirate chick. She may work for Terminus but we all know that is a temporary measure.

[Adurot]

I need to get a Team Asphxyious t-shirt.

[Kuwanger23]

I like Asphyious but he is a major jerk. I like Deneghra too. But where ever Skarre goes I go. so Terminus it is.

[Adurot]

I suppose I can't really blame you for that. She does have a Great Rack afterall.

[Kuwanger23]

Pirate queen anyone? yes plz, where do i get in line? I love Asphyxious too but man he is a bad word. He started out as a humble druid trying to prove himself toe the dragon father and now me thinks he is trying to slowly gain control over the entire faction.

[Decade]

Our dear Master Necrotech has been my #1 since I started this game, and she remains such. If I had to chose between the big two, I'm more liable to throw in with Terminus, mainly because I know (through external perspective) that Big T is truly devoted to the cause, where as Asphyxious's ambitions periodically get him distracted.

P.S. You just had to go there, didn't you Aduro

[drachenfels]

Pirate queen anyone? yes plz, where do i get in line? I love Asphyxious too but man he is a bad word. He started out as a humble druid trying to prove himself toe the dragon father and now me thinks he is trying to slowly gain control over the entire faction.

no... he just wants to become a god himself... to help the dragon father...

also all this taking sides no love for Venny?? (I <3 this loner)

also to the origional topic again any personal theories on the Egragore? Captured souls of the Orgoth? Soul of a god? Shard of a dragon? Im personally leaning towards orgoth souls of some type.

[PhilEPhil]

no... he just wants to become a god himself... to help the dragon father...

also all this taking sides no love for Venny?? (I <3 this loner)

also to the origional topic again any personal theories on the Egragore? Captured souls of the Orgoth? Soul of a god? Shard of a dragon? Im personally leaning towards orgoth souls of some type.

Gaspy wants power, as much as he can get. The Druid devoted himself to Toruk after seeing the dragon and being awed by it's power. I don't see him as being loyal to Toruk or Cryx at all... merely loyal to himself and willing to work for anything that will assist him in accumulating his own personal power. After all, his devotion to the Circle Orboros was instantly ignored the second he saw Toruk... how loyal could this guy be? Anyone disagree? I'm interested in why.

I have total love for Venny. He was the first caster I saw and decided I MUST play him. I'm sad that I do not think he is a top tier caster but I still play him for funsies and would absolutely love to see him go Epic next... either him or Mortenebra. I'd love to see eTerminus but I feel he would be both a disapointment compared to pTerminus AND... god... I don't want the first Warcaster on a Battle Engine base! (Kidding... kinda)

I don't know what I think the egregore is more then an Orgoth artifact. I cannot imagine for a millisecond that it is the soul of a god.. do gods even have 'souls' as we conceive them? Also.. I would be willing to bet someone else's soul that it is NOT a Dragon's athanc. If it were then Toruk would have already eaten it, as Everblight did to Pyromalfic, to increase his own personal power.

[Warmistress.Ravyn]

I'd definitely enjoy an eMort or eCoven caster next. The Coven has a special place in my black heart, along with their beach ball of doom lol. Morty is just so badass it's not even a little funny, and a Lich Lord Mortenebra would be just downright monster. As for Egregore's history and possible future...it's entirely within the realm of reason that this artifact is a prison of some kind, mayhap the resting place of the Elven souls? How else could an ancient relic whose people have long vanished retain sentience and the use of magic? It has to get its power from somewhere, and it can't be the girls themselves or their FOC pool would be smaller. This is all conjecture of course, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if we found out that the Egregore housed some sort of Orgoth soul-prison similar to the soul cages that are found with the other casters. Only bigger. And more badass.

[Sanctjud]

Didn't PP state that large based Casters and multi model waecasters wont be going epic?
Sadly, I do not recall a source, so it could be me just making it up

Apparently I'm not the only one who has heard about this:
http://privateerpressforums.com/arch.../t-63074.html?

[Quizboy]

I would do terrible things to see our first huge-based warcaster be Epic Coven, with the Egregore having unfolded into some awful soul-threshing Orgoth nightmare machine and the two remaining sisters throwing spells/commanding it/enjoying the view from a platform on top.

Lich Lord Mortenebra sounds amazing too. I'll be totally happy if we get either of those in the near future. Cryx ladies ftw.

[Sanctjud]

I would do terrible things to see our first huge-based warcaster be Epic Coven, with the Egregore having unfolded into some awful soul-threshing Orgoth nightmare machine and the two remaining sisters throwing spells/commanding it/enjoying the view from a platform on top.

Lich Lord Mortenebra sounds amazing too. I'll be totally happy if we get either of those in the near future. Cryx ladies ftw.

Sounds like a cryxian Storm Strider lol.

[West996]

I would like to see Mort go epic, to me it does seem likely. I just don't know how you would improve on Terminus they would just end up making him worse and there would be rage and tears.

PP seems to be taking the route of crazy caster options next. They want a Huge base Legion caster and there are talks about caster units. I think Mort would be really fun for them to make a ridiculous sculpt out of. Also since as a faction we use our Jacks a little bit less then other factions it would give us another caster to run Jacks with assuming they keep to her theme.

Sadly I also think it is just as likely for Venethrax to Epic next. He is underplayed and he just seems to have a spell list and stat line that could go Epic pretty easily. I say sadly because I just don't find him as interesting as some of the other options.

[ZombieWar]

epic morty

[Decade]

epic morty

No. Just, no. Mortenebra will not turn into Krang after he got freaky with the bacterial striders from Gyo (or whatever the hell that thing is). Toruk will not allow it.

[Jake the Dog]

Witch Coven will go epic next, and adapt the new Warcaster Unit rules. As soon as I saw the Hunters Grim I though of the Coven getting a new version.

[Adurot]

I would do terrible things to see our first huge-based warcaster be Epic Coven, with the Egregore having unfolded into some awful soul-threshing Orgoth nightmare machine and the two remaining sisters throwing spells/commanding it/enjoying the view from a platform on top.

Lich Lord Mortenebra sounds amazing too. I'll be totally happy if we get either of those in the near future. Cryx ladies ftw.

What do you mean two remaining witches? They still have all three.

[ChaosPhantom104]

I would do terrible things to see our first huge-based warcaster be Epic Coven, with the Egregore having unfolded into some awful soul-threshing Orgoth nightmare machine and the two remaining sisters throwing spells/commanding it/enjoying the view from a platform on top.

Maybe more like..a deathjack-esque, bio-organic kinda thing, with the egregore in the center, with the two sisters fused into the shoulders or something. Have it be like, an alternate melee monster caster, but with 9 foc always, and a really offensive sort of spell list. pDenny meets pCoven sort of deal. >83

[Aggy]

I thought I had read somewhere that the Egregore was made from the bodies of other witches and it is their souls that are trapped inside that give it power. Basically the story unfolds that a coven of witches come together for a festival. Three of them conspire to kill and entomb them all into a Orgoth construct. Each point on the Egregore is a sword holding one of the witches in place. Somewhere around 18 if I remember correctly. I have no idea where I read that. Maybe it is official, maybe not. I just know I read it somewhere.

[Quizboy]

What do you mean two remaining witches? They still have all three.

Oh, is there fluff set after the bit in the Menoth book with all three of them alive and well? Awesome if so, three witches > two witches.

Although your avatar has made me think the Egregore just inhaled Morgaen Kirby-style, and is now wearing a little witch hat. THE KIRBIGORE HUNGERS.

[PG_Sobek]

Oh, is there fluff set after the bit in the Menoth book with all three of them alive and well? Awesome if so, three witches > two witches.

The Coven's in the Colossals fluff. In fact, the vast majority of all warcasters in the game is in the fluff in some form or another. Not all, but most.

That said, EgreGore = Al Gore's demonic sibling?

[legendaryrat]

Our next epic caster could be Karchev, seeing as how Denny and Gaspy have him imprisoned and are trying to convert him . Or, even more interesting Karchev could become the new Nightmare. I'm wondering if they're ever gonna do a model for Lich Lord Malefax (not sure if thats the right name. The Cryxian Master of Secrets). We all know he's batting for Everblight, but are we gonna get to play with him before he gets the axe?

If they do go through with eTermie it could be the result of an assassination attempt made by Gaspy.

[Jake the Dog]

Our next epic caster could be Karchev, seeing as how Denny and Gaspy have him imprisoned and are trying to convert him . Or, even more interesting Karchev could become the new Nightmare. I'm wondering if they're ever gonna do a model for Lich Lord Malefax (not sure if thats the right name. The Cryxian Master of Secrets). We all know he's batting for Everblight, but are we gonna get to play with him before he gets the axe?

If they do go through with eTermie it could be the result of an assassination attempt made by Gaspy.

That ain't happening. If Scaverous, an expert in extracting information, couldn't take information from a dead Greylord, I can't see Asphyxious or Denegrah turning a living one who has lived over 100 years.

[Warmistress.Ravyn]

That ain't happening. If Scaverous, an expert in extracting information, could take information from a dead Greylord, I can't see Asphyxious or Denegrah turning a living one who has lived over 100 years.

Agreed. Though I'll not deny the thought is appealing

[legendaryrat]

That ain't happening. If Scaverous, an expert in extracting information, couldn't take information from a dead Greylord, I can't see Asphyxious or Denegrah turning a living one who has lived over 100 years.

It's not that he couldn't extract the information he wanted, he just didn't have time to. It's kinda hard to do when a Widowmaker puts a hole in the skull you're working with. Ganted he was having trouble with it, but that was from the spells placed on them to protect their dead psyches. The Greylords have probably picked up on someone of Scaverous' abilities existing in Cryx. Given enough time he would have peeled back every shred of willpower the spirit had left.

Cryx is like the sea. Enexorable and inevitable.

[Barrynstein]

Coven might be a good candidate for huge base caster.

[Cheshiremonkey]

I thought I had read somewhere that the Egregore was made from the bodies of other witches and it is their souls that are trapped inside that give it power. Basically the story unfolds that a coven of witches come together for a festival. Three of them conspire to kill and entomb them all into a Orgoth construct. Each point on the Egregore is a sword holding one of the witches in place. Somewhere around 18 if I remember correctly. I have no idea where I read that. Maybe it is official, maybe not. I just know I read it somewhere.

That was some fluff someone made up. It was a pretty good read, but not official.