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    He really did nail one of my wishes. Who else is looking forward to fielding him under the Old Witch, and not paying any focus for Weald Secrets or Iron Flesh?

    EDIT: I think someone edited my post who wasn't me, do mods do that? I don't even know how to spell Wyshnalyrr.
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    Me. I'm also looking forward to using him with Zerkova for more spell shenanigans.
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    Oooh, ooh! Me!

    Also, Zerkova. I don't really care if she's supposed to be terrible. He does nice things for her.

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    I am looking forward to free spell upkeep with other casters more than anything. pIrusk free upkeep IF and he can do a boosted Airburst and throw Inhospitable Ground out or Inhospitable Ground and and battle lust upkeeping superiority.

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    If only the model wasn't so terrible.

    Eh, I kinda knew he'd become the next must-have. PP have a history of making models that are terrible looking have great rules *cough*pVlad*cough*Kayazy*cough*.

    At least I won't feel any hesitation about cutting the model up to convert him



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    Free upkeeps are pretty good with anyone, to be honest! Well, not pVlad...

    But I think Strakhov would get more use out of it; he's always struck me as a bit starved for focus.

    I'm also interested to see if the accuracy boost and range boost help me get more use from Sorscha's Freezing Grip.

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    I'm pumped.

    He helps out some of our warcasters who needed the flexibility the most, but as others have said, he'll be a really solid option for a lot of our 'casters. I'm very excited for how he'll change up our turn-by-turn options.

    Also: Wishnailer sounds like something that should have been on tour with Poison in the 80's. I'm sensing a great conversion idea.
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    I'm definitely getting him... pretty much any caster will get use out of him. Old Witch with two free upkeeps? Yes please!

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    He seems awesome, way too good to be true. I really want to see him with pSorscha. We do know he's will to work for Khador, right?

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    Where is this thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarSol View Post
    We do know he's will to work for Khador, right?
    Cygnar, Khador, and Retribution; has Partisan, like Eiryss, so when Ret fields him he's in Faction.

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    I highly doubt he'll be able to upkeep two free spells. But man, I am STOKED for this guy! Now to figure out what to do with the model...

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    No, he meant Old Witch already has a free upkeep built into her, and now with Wishnailer she'll have another one ...



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    Also I just saw that Spritual Conduit gives +2 range to non-channeled spells... bet that'll stack with Zerkova's range artifact!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoktorVivi View Post
    Also I just saw that Spritual Conduit gives +2 range to non-channeled spells... bet that'll stack with Zerkova's range artifact!
    And it will be awesome.

    As I said to a buddy of mine: they should have just called him "Zerkova's BFF" instead of the crazy string of vowels and consonants they came up with.

    +2" on spells directly cast by her (with a 1/turn extra +3" boost,) a free upkeep a turn (free Watcher, all game,) and the "Signs and Portents" effect on one attack spell cast (great for all those times you didn't need to boost, but don't want to risk missing.) All on one model.

    If you had asked me for a list of abilities that would have made Zerkova more fun to play, I'd have listed all three of them, and then asked for any 2. Getting all three at once is absolute gravy.
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    If it will work, I may replace his staff with valchevs sword arm. At least he will look more in faction.
    Quote Originally Posted by PPS_Dougseacat View Post
    Either way, sometimes an Exemplar gets in the way of your horse and you have to put a spear in his face.

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    I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees him as a Zerkova patch he'll also be wonderful for Ashlynn. Seriously, this is exactly what I wanted for pretty much everyone I play. It's... It's beautiful...

    Also, right, greater power. Forgot about that. Sounds pretty sweet.

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    Just greenstuff a fuzzy hat on that mofo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John of Arc View Post
    I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees him as a Zerkova patch he'll also be wonderful for Ashlynn. Seriously, this is exactly what I wanted for pretty much everyone I play. It's... It's beautiful...

    Also, right, greater power. Forgot about that. Sounds pretty sweet.
    It really is crazy how perfect a fit it is for her. Also pretty dang nice with pSorscha. Really, with his ability set, most Merc and Khador warcasters would do well to include him, unless they have absolutely no upkeeps, offense spells not worth considering, and no big focus issues.

    For Khador, sometimes the puppy will be the better buy, but its great to have the option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrsusSmash View Post
    For Khador, sometimes the puppy will be the better buy, but its great to have the option.
    Can you think of any examples of this? Like, at all? Even epic Butcher, who I'd otherwise declare a poster child for an automatic war dog, would do really well with him, since his focus is constantly strapped even with no jacks to allocate to.

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    Pretty strange he'll work for Khador isn't it? Especially with Zerkova, stealing his god and stuff. I bet there's a coool fluff piece about him.
    I feel that he'll become a universal staple in most (if not all) armylists for ROS and Khador because of his amazing abilities. I'm not sure Cygnar really cares, already having access to the Squire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quindraco View Post
    Can you think of any examples of this? Like, at all? Even epic Butcher, who I'd otherwise declare a poster child for an automatic war dog, would do really well with him, since his focus is constantly strapped even with no jacks to allocate to.
    Does he cost the same as the War Dog?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard View Post
    Pretty strange he'll work for Khador isn't it? Especially with Zerkova, stealing his god and stuff. I bet there's a coool fluff piece about him.
    I feel that he'll become a universal staple in most (if not all) armylists for ROS and Khador because of his amazing abilities. I'm not sure Cygnar really cares, already having access to the Squire.
    He probably told Zerkova how to get his god and stuff. They are bffs and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarSol View Post
    Does he cost the same as the War Dog?
    I hope not, that would make him absolutely broken. I was assuming he cost 2 points.

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    We don't know PC of anything as of yet or stat lines unfortunately. Apparently to my knowledge only one person has been posting leaks and hes gone until tonight, we just had someone else verifying them, but not posting new ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard View Post
    Pretty strange he'll work for Khador isn't it? Especially with Zerkova, stealing his god and stuff. I bet there's a coool fluff piece about him.
    I feel that he'll become a universal staple in most (if not all) armylists for ROS and Khador because of his amazing abilities. I'm not sure Cygnar really cares, already having access to the Squire.
    I believe he is one of the seekers, the same party as Lady A who works for Khador as well as Eiryss after all.
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    I have a feeling there are going to be abandoned war dogs all over soviet Khador for many years to come. Come on guys, think of the puppies...
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    Forget being Zerkova's BFF, look at that saddle! They're totally FB.

    Zerkova needs a new bumpersticker, "My other ride is Wishnailer."

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    Quote Originally Posted by quindraco View Post
    Can you think of any examples of this? Like, at all? Even epic Butcher, who I'd otherwise declare a poster child for an automatic war dog, would do really well with him, since his focus is constantly strapped even with no jacks to allocate to.
    Honestly, the only one I can come up with that is a lock is pVlad: dude has zero upkeeps, so you're not gaining any extra focus, and he doesn't have any great for the spell range extension or S+P effect (ha.)

    For anyone with an upkeep, its very tempting to go with Wishnailer, because you're gaining at least the one focus from bringing him along, and his other abilities may come in handy as well. That's....pretty much everyone in Khador?

    However, depending on points, and who we're talking about, I could see sticking with the puppy for close combat insurance and some extra menacing. Both Vlads, both Butchers, and Karchev all gain a lot from having the dog around, and they ran just fine before without the extra focus. Its kinda-sorta a preference thing for those guys, especially if that one point ends up being a sticking point in list construction.

    Still, its hard to argue against a free focus every round, especially when one focus can translate to a lot of damage in Khador. Wishnailer is going to have to be something like PC 3 to keep him out of a lot of Khador lists (and even then I'd still take him with Zerkova every single time, without hesitation.)
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    Now do we know for certain that he's an attachment and not just a solo? What I mean is, are we sure you can't take both the dog and him?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercykiller View Post
    Now do we know for certain that he's an attachment and not just a solo? What I mean is, are we sure you can't take both the dog and him?
    I (sadly) don't have the book in front of me, but I'm pretty sure he's an attachment, based on the initial discussions around him.

    There was a bit of consternation over the fact that he's an attachment, but his rule doesn't specify "friendly faction"; only "friendly".

    If you could double down with Wishnailer and the dog, I'd make nothing but 47 point lists from here until the end of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatRickGuy View Post
    Zerkova needs a new bumpersticker, "My other ride is Wishnailer."
    Holy crap. Someone needs to make a sig banner of that. I'd rock that so hard.
    Quote Originally Posted by PPS_Dougseacat View Post
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    While Zerkova may be great, I haven't fielded her yet. I have used the Old Witch, and I'm going to absolutely love doing this:
    *Upkeep IF: 0 Focus
    *Upkeep Weald Secrets: 0 Focus
    *Upkeep AoS: 1 Focus
    *Cast Murder of Crows: 3 Focus (In practice I always want to move it.)
    *Cast Unseen Path: 2 Focus
    *Allocate 1 Focus to Scrapjack: 1 Focus

    That amounts to pretty much everything I want to do on any kind of a regular basis, which was impossible before (I currently don't upkeep AoS and just buy it when I need it). Further, when I need to cast Gallows in an emergency, I can finally cast it fully boosted (always the case by the time I need it) and have enough left over for a cloud of crows without dropping IF or WS.

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    He's definitely a Warcaster Attachment, but unless he has a different type of Attached rule, he'll only work for for his faction (Mercs) and his Partisan rule lets him work for the Retribution. The reason it would say he works for Khador and Cygnar is to apply him to Mercenary Contracts.
    We're all kind of waiting on people to determine the exact wording of his Attached rule and if it throws out the "Faction" clause. I'd hold off getting too excited until someone chimes in with first-hand information. (Currently most of this is coming from a couple sources on other message boards.)
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    I for one cant wait for him, already got mine preordered, my wee Sorscha just got a new best friend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercykiller View Post
    At least I won't feel any hesitation about cutting the model up to convert him
    How many coils will he have? ;-)
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    in the book it just says friendly warcaster. no mention of faction at all. i would imagine this means he can attach to khador warcasters just fine.

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    Wyshnayler, Reinholdt, Epic Vlad. Razor Wind Assassin. Hell I already Razor Wind assassinate with him, this guy will be like a dream come true.
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    Wishnailer is the sole reason I think khador 'won' in terms of wrath releases. Sure scaverious is amazing- but Cryx have better casters and scaverous is just another option. Wishnailer can benefit almost EVERY single khador list. Cygnar already had the squire. Ret at least have arcnodes.

    I always wished that the Irusks were FOC 8. Their spell lists scream for 8 focus and now they basically have it. Airburst with the hit and damage bonuses on all rolls is going to be brutal too.
    Zerkova, Old Witch and pSorscha are also much better at spell slinging. Freezing grip is a brutal spell but there simply isn't enough focus to boost to hit AND cast windrush. Now you can get a double pseudoboost with wishnailer and rheinholdt.
    pButcher always had mad focus efficiency with full throttle but between that spell and 2 upkeeps he only had 1 focus left to allocate which really rained on the full throttle parade. Now you can allocate 2 to one jack, and power booster on another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries37 View Post
    Wishnailer is the sole reason I think khador 'won' in terms of wrath releases. Sure scaverious is amazing- but Cryx have better casters and scaverous is just another option. Wishnailer can benefit almost EVERY single khador list. Cygnar already had the squire. Ret at least have arcnodes.

    I always wished that the Irusks were FOC 8. Their spell lists scream for 8 focus and now they basically have it. Airburst with the hit and damage bonuses on all rolls is going to be brutal too.
    Zerkova, Old Witch and pSorscha are also much better at spell slinging. Freezing grip is a brutal spell but there simply isn't enough focus to boost to hit AND cast windrush. Now you can get a double pseudoboost with wishnailer and rheinholdt.
    pButcher always had mad focus efficiency with full throttle but between that spell and 2 upkeeps he only had 1 focus left to allocate which really rained on the full throttle parade. Now you can allocate 2 to one jack, and power booster on another.
    Yeah, and how Ragman working for Cryx is pretty pointless, but Ragman works great for us.

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    While Khador gets the most out of him, I don't think Khador "won" the most power from the book. I think Retribution did by a longshot. 6 Warjacks, all extremely useful, a Solid Warcaster, a decent Artilery unit, and solid support solo. Add Wyshnalyrr and they got the most.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aries37 View Post
    Wishnailer is the sole reason I think khador 'won' in terms of wrath releases. Sure scaverious is amazing- but Cryx have better casters and scaverous is just another option. Wishnailer can benefit almost EVERY single khador list. Cygnar already had the squire. Ret at least have arcnodes.

    I always wished that the Irusks were FOC 8. Their spell lists scream for 8 focus and now they basically have it. Airburst with the hit and damage bonuses on all rolls is going to be brutal too.
    Zerkova, Old Witch and pSorscha are also much better at spell slinging. Freezing grip is a brutal spell but there simply isn't enough focus to boost to hit AND cast windrush. Now you can get a double pseudoboost with wishnailer and rheinholdt.
    pButcher always had mad focus efficiency with full throttle but between that spell and 2 upkeeps he only had 1 focus left to allocate which really rained on the full throttle parade. Now you can allocate 2 to one jack, and power booster on another.
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