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    Default Cygnar's 3Pic Caster Suppositions

    So, Lock and Load dropped the bomb, 3rd level casters, Legendary, or 3rd Epic, I hereby dub, 3-Pic...

    We know Lylyth and Gaspy are on the block for elevation, but who else do you think will go? Assuming 1 for each of the 8 primary factions, hordes and warmachine alike...

    Obviously, or only contenders currently are Nemo, Stryker, Caine and Haley.

    Nemo - Though he could definitely build himself a new suit of armor, maybe become our variant on Karchev, his power seems to have peaked, if not his inventiveness. Maybe hill become a full commander? High Magnus?

    Stryker - Not sure if there's much room for him to advance, he's already had his crisis of faith and come back from the brink.

    Caine - Definitely possible, though he hasn't done much as of late, though there's always the possibility of him going rogue, which may well be how the 3-Pic casters are being portrayed. Rogue elements within the factions... Gaspy and Lylyth are decidedly candidates for that unifying theme.

    Haley - They keep rumoring that her power is still nascent, Focus 9? 10? Something else? She's also been going 'rogue' a bit, though she's loyal to Cygnar, she's being played by her sister a bit much. Not sure what Denny's goals are.


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    My guess is Haley - she got a fair amount of screen time in Wrath, and seems to be the only one of the three whose personal story is advancing at the moment. Caine's also a possibility, what with some of the other events in the new book, but Vicky's our best bet, methinks.


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    Its probably going to be our poster boy Striker he needs a post Darth incarnation. though I disagree about Nemo. Its a small point but in the old D&D based RPG a warcaster to get to the point of having 9 focus without outside help.
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    Omg Legendary Haley... I need to change my pants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunMageinTraining View Post
    Caine - Definitely possible, though he hasn't done much as of late, though there's always the possibility of him going rogue, which may well be how the 3-Pic casters are being portrayed. Rogue elements within the factions... Gaspy and Lylyth are decidedly candidates for that unifying theme.
    I think there may be something to this. Especially after reading the Wrath fiction, it seems to set a precident for future cross-faction 'casters. Caine3 may well go all Merc on us...

    Barring that, I think probably Nemo or Haley as they actually had story time in Wrath. Stryker never showed up in anything and Caine was only sighted in one paragraph. With the action on the Northern border heating up and Nemo/Haley being in the thick of it, that gives a good oppertunity for an alt-epic.

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    Stryker could easily be brought to a style balanced between his defensive orignal and his all-out aggression of the epic.

    Haley is a big one, obviously. I see her getting more weird abilities (like Ossyan's feat and Chronomancer) rather than just going up up up.

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    I'm hoping Nemo, but expecting Haley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex C View Post
    Stryker never showed up in anything
    He showed up just in time to save Constance from being overrun by a zombie horde.

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    Haley, Stryker or Caine all are in with a shout but I'm inclined to bet on Haley...

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    I'm guessing either:

    General Adept Victoria Haley (made easier by the loss of Point Bourne's vote) or
    King Coleman Stryker (because let's face it, Leto kind of sucks as a ruler)

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    Stryker to reflect how Nemo fine-tuned his armor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKaz84 View Post
    He showed up just in time to save Constance from being overrun by a zombie horde.
    Ah yes. Forgettable.

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    I would love to see a 3pic Nemo, however, I will be quite surprised if its not Haley.

    To be fair, 3pic Haley could be wicked awesome. It would be nice to have a super awesome caster that didn't have her fun-crushing feat.

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    How are they going to make the model more epic though... that's an awesome model...

    You guys are forgetting Siege... I mean... he's already epic right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfhoot View Post
    How are they going to make the model more epic though... that's an awesome model...

    You guys are forgetting Siege... I mean... he's already epic right?
    I think the ideas of epic and more epic are gonna be non-existent. PP said ages ago that new epics wouldn't be getting epic bases, new casters are already pretty badass and tweaked out models (see: Constance) and new rules will be lateral changes rather than vertical.

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    Just for a bit of a twist, perhaps they'll do a little caster swap, because they seem to be setting it up a little. Follow me here. Leto steps aside for Julius, who pardons Magnus and brings him back into the fold of Cygnar and Hayley finally gets possessed by Denny and becomes a Cryx caster. That's all I can think of without having actually read Wrath yet, but personally I like the idea.

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    and Hayley finally gets possessed by Denny and becomes a Cryx caster.
    I might quit playing Cygnar (and by extension Warmachine) if that happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misfire704 View Post
    Just for a bit of a twist, perhaps they'll do a little caster swap, because they seem to be setting it up a little. Follow me here. Leto steps aside for Julius, who pardons Magnus and brings him back into the fold of Cygnar and Hayley finally gets possessed by Denny and becomes a Cryx caster. That's all I can think of without having actually read Wrath yet, but personally I like the idea.
    If anyone goes Cryx, it may be Karchev. *spoilers*

    He was ripped apart from his metal body, taken by Cryx, and Necrotechs are attending him. Slayer Karchev might be weird...the cool kind of weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wargamer Lester View Post
    If anyone goes Cryx, it may be Karchev. *spoilers*

    He was ripped apart from his metal body, taken by Cryx, and Necrotechs are attending him. Slayer Karchev might be weird...the cool kind of weird.
    See, originally I thought of Karchev, but he's not an epic caster yet.

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    I'm not a big fan of the idea of 3pic casters. Not sure why.

    With that said, the idea of each faction getting one of the other factions' casters (albeit modded) is intriguing.
    Let the countdown to Exigence releases disappointment begin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunMageinTraining View Post
    SStryker - Not sure if there's much room for him to advance, he's already had his crisis of faith and come back from the brink.
    Exactly why he's the most likely- his story has advanced the most in the background. He's past his rage, had his catharic getting-the-crap-kicked-out-him moment (twice! One building, one high priest), and now he needs his non-suicidal, non-genocidal Hero to the People version.

    I honestly find Striker a little on the dull side, but he has the most story links (apart from Miss 'Oh I hate my sister').
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    Don't really like 3-Pic as a label. L for Legendary should serve well enough. Or we can just adopt a number scheme.

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    Numbering scheme is what PP wants, and it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GunMageinTraining View Post
    Rogue elements within the factions... Gaspy and Lylyth are decidedly candidates for that unifying theme.
    I'm liking the idea of a "rogue element" to the legendary casters. Or perhaps just having them cut off from the support of the main army somehow.
    Anyway, my bet is on Haley, just because she has been most active in the storyline of late.

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    Depending on the last Forces of Cygnar and Wrath fluff i would say that Haley is going to be "Legendary", but Stryker is such an incredible hero of Cygnar, that i assume that he is going to be the "Legandary" one for us. I hope for "Legandary" Stryker and epic Siege!

    By the way, that idea of the cross-faction Casters/Locks sounds nice!
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    Not quite sure how I would feel about casters switching sides... Getting new incarnations of the existing casters will be intriguing.
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    I'd like to see new versions of Darius, Caine, and Siege. Improvements, changes, whatever. But yeah, I'd lay bets on Haley for sure.

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    I have always wanted a Cavalry version of Stryker. Perhaps PP will make my dream come true with Stryker3!
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    I'm really excited by the idea of Epic epics. I'm personally hoping that Nemo plugs himself into a Storm Strider and conquers the world, but sadly I doubt PP would ever release a $100 caster. Ah well, I can dream of the General Primus Sebastian Nemo the Thunder God.

    If Haley has a near death experience in the next book, where perhaps she had prophetic dreams and the like, I could see her going to the next level, moving onto an even more ludicrous form than she is now.

    I don't really have much hope for Caine unless Leto gets the boot and he becomes Cygnar's most wanted. Really, really hope this doesn't happen.

    Stryker was the main character of the last story arc, with his fall from grace, his redemption and his slaying the mad Hierach Voyle with the Harbinger's sword. If he went epic again I could see him losing offensive power for a more balanced play style. Perhaps the armor merely giving him a static bonus to his strength as opposed to overloading.
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    not a fan of the 3pic caster idea, but that might just be because I associate them with a buff in power when that is strictly not the case with PP's design

    If someone had to go 3pic, I'd want Magnus coming back to cygnar to stir something up Desperate times and all that

    Or, instead of a 3pic, we need to get Vinter on the tabletop with a (possibly disposable) warcaster aide. Think about it, he'd be leading the only armies where killing the warcaster would not end that game

    probably not very possible plotwise to make him a cygnarian caster, but given the poor image Leto's sure to have gotten from all the recent setbacks to his rule, I'd be willing to believe more cygnarites splintering off to join the harsher but arguably more serviceable philosophy of magnus and vinter, where it is the ability to achieve victory that dictates how man should live his life, not the pursuit of morrowan ideals
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    King Coleman Strkyer? Could it happen?
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    Magnus = becomes Cygnar caster
    Stryker = becomes Merc caster
    Karchev = becomes Cryx caster
    Goreshade = becomes Retribution caster
    Kreoss = becomes Khador caster

    and I don't have any idea on a Retribution swap to any faction at all, let along Protectorate. Maybe eMoshar becomes a Protectorate ally warlock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by admanb View Post
    Numbering scheme is what PP wants, and it makes sense.
    No it doesn't.

    eStryker is an abbreviation of epic stryker.

    It's 'Commander Stryker. Cygnaran warcaster character.' and 'Lord Commander Stryker. Cygnaran Epic warcaster character.' Not 'Commander Stryker. Cygnaran warcaster character.' and 'Lord Commander Stryker. 2nd version of stryker Cygnaran warcaster character.'

    Only us old fogies who've been playing since apotheosis will instantly know that eStryker came out second.

    Imagine a new player who starts out after a third version of the caster comes out, they've read the whole book though, and you say 'Oh I'm using Stryker 2.'

    How are they supposed to know which one that is? Because you'll have to sit down and explain it to them. If you say 'epic stryker' they'll know which one you mean. It's the one who's called stryker and is an epic caster.

    Honestly DC's rant about nicknames always bugged me.
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    Numbers infer sequence. That is as logical as it gets. The new epics are just epics so the fan naming of p/e is obsolete.
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    No it doesn't.

    eStryker is an abbreviation of epic stryker.

    It's 'Commander Stryker. Cygnaran warcaster character.' and 'Lord Commander Stryker. Cygnaran Epic warcaster character.' Not 'Commander Stryker. Cygnaran warcaster character.' and 'Lord Commander Stryker. 2nd version of stryker Cygnaran warcaster character.'

    Only us old fogies who've been playing since apotheosis will instantly know that eStryker came out second.

    Imagine a new player who starts out after a third version of the caster comes out, they've read the whole book though, and you say 'Oh I'm using Stryker 2.'

    How are they supposed to know which one that is? Because you'll have to sit down and explain it to them. If you say 'epic stryker' they'll know which one you mean. It's the one who's called stryker and is an epic caster.

    Honestly DC's rant about nicknames always bugged me.

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    First, I can see Haley being our first. Fluff from that book will probably let us know who will be second. I think that will be either Nemo (cause he seems to be in Wraths fluff a lot) or Caine (he's ready for some plot advancement IMO).

    And no, I really don't want a "King" Stryker. I would prefer Leto to stay as king, having someone new in the midst of war worries me. Especially since Leto supported the lightning and gun mage themes of Cygnar.

    Oh and on the Legend Stryker, I think it will probably be 1 FOC to gain 3 STR or something similar. I would prefer something like normal overload, but only costing FOC. Hmm...Maybe 1 FOC per die? Don't take damage, but you do lose half your focus to jump up your STR.
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    A possibility would be:

    Magnus comes back to Cygnar once Julius returns to fight for Cygnar. Gaspy goes legendary by going rogue and attempting to surpass Toruk. Irusk realizes that Cryx is a big freaking threat to everyone and goes over to Vlad's "Punch Cryx in the face" camp. Ret doesn't get a Legendary caster (poor elves), though hopefully we'll have an epic for them or two. The Mercenaries get their legendary in the form of Caine, who is forced to go renegade thanks to that whole "murder the guy who is now on the throne of Cygnar" thing. For Menoth. . . well, Severius can't really go much higher than he is without everyone having another Voyle episode on hand. The Testament. . . I can't see him going higher short of punching Morrow or Thamar in the face. That leaves us Kreoss (whom I cannot picture going legendary as of yet), and Feora. She seems the most likely candidate, as she is currently controlling the actual Protectorate, and subverting the loyalty of the Flameguard and the various orders and Synods.

    So, those are my bets (despite some of them being horribly unlikely):
    Cygnar: Magnus,
    Mercenaries: Caine
    Khador: Irusk
    Ret: sorry, guys. Maybe next time?
    Menoth: Feora
    Cryx: Asphixyous

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    Based on the rumour that Gaspy is one of the casters going legendary and assuming only one caster from each faction will get the treatment my guess is that Haley will not be our first caster to go epic epic. My reasoning is because the cryx caster is already spoiled and it isn't Denny. I really can't see PP splitting the story progression of those two.

    There's been mention that the focus of these new casters will be to represent rogue elements within factions which leads me to believe our main contenders are Caine and Nemo. Both are quite independent in the background with great 'rogue' potential.

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    3-Pic?

    so pNemo, eNemo, 3-picNemo(?)
    Sounds a bit strange imo. More likely just lNemo to keep with the simple of tings.

    I would guess Haley or Nemo gets to become the first l caster for the blues...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixl View Post
    3-Pic?

    so pNemo, eNemo, 3-picNemo(?)
    Sounds a bit strange imo. More likely just lNemo to keep with the simple of tings.

    I would guess Haley or Nemo gets to become the first l caster for the blues...
    I don't like the 3-pic thing either. Sounds entirely too leet-speak. If someone said they were using the first Stryker, or eStryker2, even a newer player like me would know whom they were using.

    If the upgrades are rogue elements, I'd have to say Caine would be top of the list. If not, I'd say Stryker. I'd expect for his suit to finally be tuned and tweaked to max efficiency, and see him get a spell around the lines of Engine of Destruction or Blood of Kings.
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