You Know What? I Actually Like Cygnar

[PG_Tommeh]

The exact list I posted in the pNemo thread a few weeks ago! Great minds think alike? *cough cough*
Losing models hurts indeed, but a fully loaded hammersmith tearing into a heavy is so much fun.
I've been waiting for a chance to play this in a steamroller tournament, but there are very little 35 point tourneys around here at the moment :'(

[Sardonic Artery]

The exact list I posted in the pNemo thread a few weeks ago! Great minds think alike? *cough cough*
Losing models hurts indeed, but a fully loaded hammersmith tearing into a heavy is so much fun.
I've been waiting for a chance to play this in a steamroller tournament, but there are very little 35 point tourneys around here at the moment :'(

I had a really similar initial list, then someone came in with a couple of final tweaks that I adopted (might've been you; I had a regular lancer and no Gorman before).

[Temoinlanuit]

I can understand it will be a lot of money for those on limited budgets but let's not kid ourselves here; this is an expensive hobby.

On a positive note, this is (IMO) one of the cheapest hobbies ever.

Compared to say, snowboarding (lift tickets / season pass / gear), motorcycle riding (day at the track / mods / gear), shooting (ammo, etc.) .. I don't think there's much that beats tabletop gaming's cost per hour. Maybe rock collecting or something like that..

[CaptainPaprika]

On a positive note, this is (IMO) one of the cheapest hobbies ever.

Compared to say, snowboarding (lift tickets / season pass / gear), motorcycle riding (day at the track / mods / gear), shooting (ammo, etc.) .. I don't think there's much that beats tabletop gaming's cost per hour. Maybe rock collecting or something like that..

The most annoying thing about the cost of his hobby is it sneaks up on you, 10 dollars here, 20 dollars there and suddenly you realise you spent about 400 hundred on models in the space of a week. . . Not that I am saying I have done that. . .

Anyway I just wanted to join in with this lovefest about Cygnar and the game in general. A friend and I started this game back in MK1 and after an unfortunate run in with a munchkin power gamer we decided to take a break. Fast forward a couple of years I am back using my Cygnar and I am loving it. Yes there are things that seem to me a little bit underpowered in comparison with other factions, but I play to have fun and hope to win, I don't need to win to have fun.

Plus I recently discovered the Black 13th and they are just a huge barrel of fun.

[Gr33nJ3llo]

The most annoying thing about the cost of his hobby is it sneaks up on you, 10 dollars here, 20 dollars there and suddenly you realise you spent about 400 hundred on models in the space of a week. . . Not that I am saying I have done that. . .

You might do that, but unless you start another faction, or go totally nuts and collect 7 of everything there is a definite limit to it. I think with a couple of $400 weeks you'll pretty much have at least one of everything.

[Sacredsouless]

The most annoying thing about the cost of his hobby is it sneaks up on you, 10 dollars here, 20 dollars there and suddenly you realise you spent about 400 hundred on models in the space of a week. . . Not that I am saying I have done that. . .

Yes, this has never happened. I myself am a quite responsible buyer of minies.......

[CaptainPaprika]

You might do that, but unless you start another faction, or go totally nuts and collect 7 of everything there is a definite limit to it. I think with a couple of $400 weeks you'll pretty much have at least one of everything.

Yeah, although I have started trolls. . .

That is one thing I do like that there is a limit. I am far from owning everything that I can collect for Cygnar but I have hit a point where I can run a varied amount of lists with what I have and I like that. I don't feel like I need to buy anything and what I do buy it is for the fun of having that jack/solo/unit.

[Sardonic Artery]

Ooh, Trolls are much more painful. More cost, more paint, more ouch.

[CaptainPaprika]

But, they are giant drunks . Cygnar will remain my main army but I got really burnt out on them during a journeyman league, I painted a lot of models and I played a lot of games, some with players who were there to win by any means instead of having fun. So I needed a break from them but I didn't want a break from the game.

[RidetheLightning]

@ Sardonic Artery:
I checked your list and is there a reason you don't run a little more infantry? I thought it might be T-Head, or the fact that Nemo doesn't like infantry too much? Just liked the list but wanted to know!

[PG_Tommeh]

That list fries infantry early in the game on chain lightning (and the thunderhead) and from there on out outmuscles opposing heavies with 5foc jacks, +2str, Harm and the utility of voltaic snare and Gorman.
That way it can get away with playing a very low model count.

The fact that Nemo does very little for infantry doesn't help either.

[Sardonic Artery]

@ Sardonic Artery:
I checked your list and is there a reason you don't run a little more infantry? I thought it might be T-Head, or the fact that Nemo doesn't like infantry too much? Just liked the list but wanted to know!

I run zero infantry in that list just for kicks. It's a really fun list that runs Cygnar differently.

[Sardonic Artery]

Although clearly a lot of the doom and gloom of the Cygnar forum has been zapped away (at least for a little while) by a certain lightning pod chucking monster, I figured I'd acknowledge the joy of that model for the True Blues here.

[Nuriochi_sol]

I was just noticing that - the general optimism that seems to have infected our little corner of the world. Go fig.

[sleet01]

Funny, attitudes look pretty much the same as always to me; the only thing that's changed is that the number of people coming into the Cygnar forums from elsewhere to tell us how bad our attitudes are has dropped off significantly. I never really bought into the "Cygnar is too negative" view in the first place, though.

[Gr33nJ3llo]

Funny, attitudes look pretty much the same as always to me; the only thing that's changed is that the number of people coming into the Cygnar forums from elsewhere to tell us how bad our attitudes are has dropped off significantly. I never really bought into the "Cygnar is too negative" view in the first place, though.

So... you're saying that the people whining about the whining have dropped off. Do you think they finally realized their hypocrisy, or came to the realization that maybe we had some decent points about the various weakness of the faction?

Oddly enough right before all the Cygnar is whiny stuff happened we had a bunch of treads from people who posted once, and never seemed to engage or post again. Usually they picked a subject that was almost guaranteed to get a lot of negative responses.

So it almost seems like the whole thing was somebody elses fault, mainly several somebody's.

[sleet01]

And that's just one of the many things I like about our faction

Seriously, though, if we didn't get the top Colossal, we got the #2 slot and the ability to take the #1 offering in two-caster lists. It might not fix what's broken but it goes a long way to making up for our less-effective units.

I also like all the boosted-damage Electricity damage my Storm Lances are dropping under cNemo's feat, but I don't want to be too greedy. People might feel the need to berate the whole forum about it

[OTee]

Cygnar's great... to add to that:

In my oppinion Cygnar is about aplying force precisely:
Yesterday, 4P, 2vs.2 casterkill game: Opponent side: Kadhor, on my flank it was Karchev, the doggie, Beast09, Kodiak, Devstator, Widowmakers, Great Bears, Mechs.

I played pNemo, Squire, JM, Strangeways, SClad, Lancer, SBlades+UA+1Gunner, min SLances... (I know, not enough disruption and POW against Khador)

The overall game is not that important, we ended in a tie after playing 2 hours and many bloody losses.

The best part (for me) has been when Khador pressed forward with 3 jacks in a frontline and Karchev right behind.

It was Lancer getting a protected forward position to chanel, Sclad, Locomoted 1' to get a chargelane, Disruption Field on the Sclad, Voltaic Snare on the Kodiak (affecting Beast09), Sclad supercharged with 4FOC, charging the Kodiak.
Kodiak was wrecked (but kept alife to have VS stay in play)

Karchev was forced to move backwards, to tow the Kodiak to the mechanics and break the VSnare for Beast09. Needless to say, I lost the SClad in retaliation, but it took him the Great Bears to do so, Those buggers now standing in the open. Beast09 had luckily no target but a few SBlades.

To top it: Next turn the tiny Lancer with 5 supercharge FOC and Distuption Field on it killed Beast09. (OK it needed 2 SBlades to do the last 4 boxes, 3hull and 1cortex)

Cygnar is not about stomping forward and squishing everything, it's not about shooting everything to pieces, we can do that but in my oppinion not heavy enough to reliable kill a whole enemy army this way.
BUT we can do all of this at the same time and do it reliable at precisely that location and moment we want.
Cygnar is planning and timing and if done right we can achieve incredible succssess!

(I should not have forgotten to put JMs Arcane Shield on the SClad to survive retaliation, should have charged Beast primary and do just one swing on the Kodiak, thus forcing him to pull the Beast back and disrupt both, shouldn't have the SLances to far on the flank in fear of the widowmakers, thus having them doing nothing...)

Cygnar has a steep learning curve, but so many tricks, it's absolutely worth it!

[Scottl1]

Cygnar has a steep learning curve, but so many tricks, it's absolutely worth it!

You are an every other army. lol You know how many times people say our factions has a steep learning curve? Bit trolly I admit and nothing personal meant by this but not EVERY faction is steep. lol

Had fun putting together some swans today and I think Imma try out pcaine, siege, and estryker for lols. I love snipe so much lol

[Sardonic Artery]

While I'm glad to see that the thread about Cygnar being the new Cryx has largely been laughed off (http://privateerpressforums.com/show...r-the-new-Cryx), I cracked up at the comment that agreed because Stormwall gives Cygnar synergy. How dare we have such a thing!

[BarskeMannen]

While I'm glad to see that the thread about Cygnar being the new Cryx has largely been laughed off (http://privateerpressforums.com/show...r-the-new-Cryx), I cracked up at the comment that agreed because Stormwall gives Cygnar synergy. How dare we have such a thing!

It's gonna keep going like that until people start actually playing against it with any regularity. Most models seem worse in your mind than on the table.

Except for Kovnik Joe.

[Sacredsouless]

While I'm glad to see that the thread about Cygnar being the new Cryx has largely been laughed off (http://privateerpressforums.com/show...r-the-new-Cryx), I cracked up at the comment that agreed because Stormwall gives Cygnar synergy. How dare we have such a thing!

Oh how naughty! We should be punished for the unforgivable crime of synergy! Lets see what the other factions have gotten as punishment (*sees more synergy*), huh....so yeah punish us, please, HARD! REALLY REALLY HARD! We're really naughty and dirty and stuff!

[Sardonic Artery]

Loving the new N3mo. The old man remains as fun as ever and he makes lightning the offensive horror it should be.

[Ghost2014]

If a faction has to use another generic faction like mercs to be successfull, that faction is broken.

He may have a point. Cygnar is broke in the fact that we are so middle of the road. It's like PP started with Cygnar as a base when determining a new unit then by the time the got around to all the factions giving them an equivalent, everyone else has better things. We don't have a unit of weapon masters like doom reavers. our newest jack the avenger has the RAT of helen keller trying to hit the broadside of a barn. I'm slightly discouraged in these things and it saddens me that the things i want to play cost so much point wise. In my opinion sword knights could be much better. They're name is SWORD knights you think they'd be weapons masters for pete's sake, mine got completely decimated because of their slightly less average MAT. Sometimes it's frustrating and i can see where he's coming from.

[Lanz]

No. He doesn't. Most mercs work for Cygnar and khador, this is no accident. Mercs appear in fluff working under cygnar and khador more than any other faction. This is also not an accident.

For every faction in the game you can bring up options that they do not have that other factions do. Cygnar still has a heavy melee option in Stormblades, which have about the same average damage output as a PS11 weapon master.

The Avenger can still boost his attacks, and knocks down everything under the blast when he hits. Maybe you're new to the game or something, but being able to knock down everyone under a template on the hit at range is a big deal. It's a bigger deal when you factor in Cygnar's shooting buffs like Rangers. Its an even bigger deal when you factor in boosting. The fact that it can choose not to boost and play an artillery role, and the fact that it's a decent melee 'jack ontop of all that are what give it its point cost. It's an expensive 'jack, but it can provide anti-infantry, anti-armor, and assassination tools all at once.

As for sword knights. In Mk1 they were stupid-good and got nerfed big time. I won't say it makes a lot of sense for them to be worse than basic line-troopers when they're supposed to be nobles but at the same time they're a 4/6 unit. Most 4/6 units are pretty basic.

[Sardonic Artery]

Yup, what Lanz said.

[iksander]

As for sword knights. In Mk1 they were stupid-good and got nerfed big time. I won't say it makes a lot of sense for them to be worse than basic line-troopers when they're supposed to be nobles but at the same time they're a 4/6 unit. Most 4/6 units are pretty basic.

Heh, If i remember correctly they got the nerf in the fluff as well. I believe they're no longer nobility, just a knightly order.

[Lanz]

Heh, If i remember correctly they got the nerf in the fluff as well. I believe they're no longer nobility, just a knightly order.

Well, I don't know how titles are handled in the IK, but typically being knighted makes you a noble. That's what a knight is.

That said, Exemplar are 'knights' but I don't think they're nobility. Then again, the concept of nobility doesn't really exist in the protectorate. Even Kreoss isn't really a 'noble' by social terms.

[Knight]

Being a member of a knightly order sometimes dictated that you gave up your status and land. I imagine the Church of Menoth would be very strict and against having their members possessing material goods. Cygnar Orders should be a little different, I imagine a noble wouldn't need to give up his status or land, however he'll need to compensate for expenses and follow the order's creed. I think it's possible to enter the Sword Knight Order without the noble blood, however you'll need to have a sponsor or a letter of recommendation from one of the masters.