Thinking about Retribution

[Conrad4]

Hello everyone,

My name is Conrad, and I have been playing for about six months. I am finally getting to a point where I am considering picking up another army, I have been playing Khador. I really like the stories and the 'jacks in Retribution, I also like that they are different from the in your face style I am so use to playing. So the question I have is, Is it possible to run Retribution 'jack heavy? I got into this game for the warjacks, and though I like infantry for support I will always like running the Warjacks. I also realize Retribution 'jacks go by a different name I just can't remember how to spell it right now. Any advice on if this is possible and what would be good for a start would be much appreciated.

Conrad

[scout's honor]

They're called Myrmidons.

It's definitely possible to play Myrmidon heavy Retribution (and will be more so once the Vyre models are released). Ret also has excellent jack marshalls and the best options for repairing damaged jacks.

That said, you'll be fairly limited when it comes to casters. Beyond Vyros and Ossyan I can't recommend Myrmidon heavy lists, and even those two aren't awesome in that capacity.

[Murkhadh]

Its possible, but ret is probably one of the worse factions for going jack heavy, we don't have a true jack caster.

[Dregon]

Its possible, but ret is probably one of the worse factions for going jack heavy, we don't have a true jack caster.

I would think if you truly wanted to myrmidon heavy ret your best bet would be either Vyros or Rhan as your caster with one or two jack marshalls and some minor support(definitely grab an arcanist)

[Borkdabasher]

i wouldnt say rahn is a good jack caster. he's got alot of focus to run them BUT hes also got a really nice spell list which is really what you want to using your focus on rather than running lots of jacks. i run 2 pheonix' with him and its still a struggle to use the spells i want and still manage my jacks.

[Dregon]

i wouldnt say rahn is a good jack caster. he's got alot of focus to run them BUT hes also got a really nice spell list which is really what you want to using your focus on rather than running lots of jacks. i run 2 pheonix' with him and its still a struggle to use the spells i want and still manage my jacks.

well your first problem lies with two pheonixs, while i like the dual arc nodes. That is in my opinion two many points for a Rhan battle grp tied up in two models. Sure Rhan has a large list of spells that are juicy, but hes also the only high focus character we have that can effectively run multiple jacks. I think most people forget that our light myrmidons are rather focus efficient compared to others...fragile but then again what lights are not? For example if i went jack heavy with Rhan i might try this at 35 pts

Rhan
2 x Griffon
1 x Gorgon
1 x Pheonix
Full unit of Vics + UA
Marshalled Griffon
2 arcanist

[TIEActor]

I also like dual arc nodes but use 1 pheonix and 1 chimera, not as expensive as the dual heavies although of course you loose survivablity and hitting power

[serrasin]

you don't run two phoenix for arcnodes, you run two phoenixes for arcnodes and combust and anti-heavy options.

[Dregon]

you don't run two phoenix for arcnodes, you run two phoenixes for arcnodes and combust and anti-heavy options.

Still in my opnion its a huge point sick in, yeah your going to have two combust available, but if you waste all your points on two heavies like the pheonix and no support a competent player is going to rip them to peices and at the most sand bag them with one squad while they get the support to clean up after. Had a player at my club tear down two pheonixs using iron wolf lead jack force the other day. they never even made it to combat under all the combined fire...

I mean if your just going to bulk up on heavy then do a pheonix with 2 manticores at least you have other heavy to shield and support your infantry killer and arc node. I think one combust is just as good at two when you place it right.

[serrasin]

Still in my opnion its a huge point sick in.

Its a better use of points than three griffons and a gorgon, I can tell you that much.

For that matter our lights are not focus efficient, and neither are our heavies. They just are hungry for focus. Even the Phoenix who can accomplish the most with zero focus wants all the focus it can get. It's just the nature of this factions; we don't have the buffs or the support to run jacks like Menoth or Khador, or even Cygnar.

[Dregon]

Its a better use of points than three griffons and a gorgon, I can tell you that much.

For that matter our lights are not focus efficient, and neither are our heavies. They just are hungry for focus. Even the Phoenix who can accomplish the most with zero focus wants all the focus it can get. It's just the nature of this factions; we don't have the buffs or the support to run jacks like Menoth or Khador, or even Cygnar.

Again its just from my point, but ive had a griffon pull of an assasin run on sorcha with 1focus point. I have had overrall better luck with my light myrmidons than with my heavys. people seem to underestimate them quite often. Overall i have had a decent number of wins with that force listed above. It boils down to preference and i feel two pheonixs are a waste. now a pheonix and discordia thats a different story or manticores, but i rarely ever run two, they just dont work out for me.

[serrasin]

=shrug=
I've had a Phoenix with one hit box set casters on fire and win me the game numerous times. Testimonials are completely worthless in comparing models because it does not take into account skill [of either player], conditions, terrain, or other tactical modifiers.

[CeltKhan]

I've had a mangled Hydra fire across my entire front line at an Irusk engaged by Ravyn and blow him out of his boots. It was a Hail Mary shot I never expected to work and in no way was a rational reason for taking Hydras over anything else.

It WAS, however, really fricking cool.

[Osito]

I like taking 2 Phoenix with Rahn. Actually in 50 I play 2 phoenix and 1 Manticore with 2 arcanists, and they do just fine. I think people get lulled into thinking that you have to play Vyros with jacks because of mobility. You don't. TK for 2 the jack you want to do stuff with, load it with focus and you still have 3 left to do something else with. Rahn is great at killing stuff with spells, as you said, but you need an arc node to get the spells where you want them while you stand safely in the back. So if they kill 1 you still have another one.
Vyros way up field with no focus is pretty much just as dead as Rahn upfield with no focus. Rahn just does more stuff, and from a safer distance.
My 2 cents.

P.S. Garryth is the worst jack caster we have cause he wants all his focus to kill stuff, with the exception of the 1 to upkeep Mirage.

[Dregon]

I like taking 2 Phoenix with Rahn. Actually in 50 I play 2 phoenix and 1 Manticore with 2 arcanists, and they do just fine. I think people get lulled into thinking that you have to play Vyros with jacks because of mobility. You don't. TK for 2 the jack you want to do stuff with, load it with focus and you still have 3 left to do something else with. Rahn is great at killing stuff with spells, as you said, but you need an arc node to get the spells where you want them while you stand safely in the back. So if they kill 1 you still have another one.
Vyros way up field with no focus is pretty much just as dead as Rahn upfield with no focus. Rahn just does more stuff, and from a safer distance.
My 2 cents.

P.S. Garryth is the worst jack caster we have cause he wants all his focus to kill stuff, with the exception of the 1 to upkeep Mirage.

Ty Osito, my original point was that Rhan makes a great jack caster. I had gotten off my original point which was this. Personal Preference's aside Rahn should not be overlooked for a jack heavy army ><