Any rumor on the Warrior Warp Wolf?

[meleemadness]

Anyone know of any rumors associated with the warrior warp wolf? I am so interested in this....I don't know if i should buy another warp wolf or hold out for this model...if it is real...

I wonder what it would bring to the Circle? I see how Khador is all of a sudden getting ranged units, solos and W/A....and Cygnar got a stealthed unit. Many ppl think this will be our beast with reach...but that means one attack instead of three......guess it would be the beast for clearing infantry?

[Sevwall]

Remember, the Guardian was used as an example in Prime, so you might have to wait until the faction book, not Primal .

[Zyrael]

Anyone know of any rumors associated with the warrior warp wolf? I am so interested in this....I don't know if i should buy another warp wolf or hold out for this model...if it is real...

I wonder what it would bring to the Circle? I see how Khador is all of a sudden getting ranged units, solos and W/A....and Cygnar got a stealthed unit. Many ppl think this will be our beast with reach...but that means one attack instead of three......guess it would be the beast for clearing infantry?

could have a reach weapon AND an open fist. (more likely actually).

If that were the template I'd think it would be really simple and focused on one task. Ripping a heavy a new hole is a good bet. And that would give us another option.

STR warping seems to be standard. But a couple new diff warps would be cool. Also if it was "armored" it could be base arm 17, but maybe SPD 5.

Just thinkin out loud. Wouldn't expect MAT 7. but PS base witha sword or halberd could be as high as 17.

[txiab]

Here's a question, do you think that the Warrior Warp Wolf will complete some sort of crappy plastic beast box set for the Circle? The three beasts will be the Feral Wolf, Pureblood, and then the new Warrior? That way they can get some sales from people buying the new beast in the box set. The more I think about it this would be my guess. They'll do the same thing for Dire trolls, Skorne elephants, and not sure what they would do for the Legion as they don't seem to have a template beast. I am really not interested in another heavy beast for Circle, but it seems that PP is hell-bent on giving us more and more heavies.

[PG_bushman101]

someone said they weren't doing the 'beasts in a box' for Hordes.

that could just be a rumor however

[meleemadness]

Here's a question, do you think that the Warrior Warp Wolf will complete some sort of crappy plastic beast box set for the Circle? The three beasts will be the Feral Wolf, Pureblood, and then the new Warrior? That way they can get some sales from people buying the new beast in the box set. The more I think about it this would be my guess. They'll do the same thing for Dire trolls, Skorne elephants, and not sure what they would do for the Legion as they don't seem to have a template beast. I am really not interested in another heavy beast for Circle, but it seems that PP is hell-bent on giving us more and more heavies.

Hmm, actually that makes a whole lot of sense. But, I hope there is some lvl of customization allowed. Looking at the jacks it is just an arm switch or two. I suppose if I used a plastic WW and a metal one, I would have two with different looks....and there is no way I am using the extreme version, looks like a cat, a very skinny cat.

[eliassmith27]

I bet there will be a plastic WW kit that builds any one of the three.

[meleemadness]

I just hope they keep the metals so we can have some variety. I want to run three WW and a pureblood with eKaya......my son runs Karchev and all jacks and has gotten pretty good with him after making a few adjustments in the jacks he takes.

[Tsenzei]

I bet it's a Heavy!

My useless and baseless speculation is that it'd have a two-handed weapon and the standard bite. Other than that, STR Warp maybe, maybe Boundless Charge or whatever the extended range over rough terrain one is, and maybe the return of the Pureblood's armor spikes warp?

Animus is a crap shoot. And I'm probably wrong about everything anyway.

[Mercykiller]

Perhaps it'll be the answer to Circle's nemesis: heavy armor. A two-handed strength-warping warpwolf sounds like either a P+S20 and higher or an AP model. All baseless speculation of course, but putting a claymore in the hands of an immensely strong critter is begging for armor dying.

(future Circle player if WWs come in plastic kits )

[meleemadness]

Hmm, maybe it doesn't have a weapon at all but reinforced claws that allow for armor piercing on those two attacks. Doubling the damage done that exceeds the armor, that would be nice as it would still retain open fists. But it would still lack reach...unless it got overtake or something similar.

Reach would be better due to the free strike range it offers but, who knows what concepts they are throwing around.

Oh, and for its animus....hmm, no clue there. Maybe pounce or something.

[Mercykiller]

That's another reason to root for the giant weapon; it screams "Reach" as well. Of course they have to balance the extreme offensive power, so I'd expect it to be less healthy than Ferals and/or lacking armor. Or they could say lugging around such a heavy weapon compromises it's DEF.

Again, all speculaion based on nothing. But that's a definite niche they could fill with this guy, armor-breaking Reach.

[Dantes]

Just FYI it has to be a heavy. It is depicted in the rules on a large base.

[meleemadness]

That's good, it is a heavy hope it is 9 or 10 points and worth every point! I currently have an all beast list that has one point left over...

[PG_LEJKaya]

If they do nothing but give a warpwolf a nomad's sword, that'll do!

[thepetchle]

If they do nothing but give a warpwolf a nomad's sword, that'll do!

That would be his whole fluff entry in the book, "One day a warpwolf ******up a nomad and took his sword".

[YabaBaga]

Just FYI it has to be a heavy. It is depicted in the rules on a large base.

... and that it has a base STR of 10, which would be alright if it could warp for strength and have a POW 6 weapon maybe.

[txiab]

I really hope it isn't another heavy. The Circle could go an entire book without any heavies and not notice the difference unless they make it compete with the Warp Wolf. Especially if they go with another heavy that has all sorts of special abilities, but can't kill stuff for jack.

[meleemadness]

What about the shadowhorn? Isn't that all about whoop@ss?

[txiab]

What about the shadowhorn? Isn't that all about whoop@ss?

Yes. It's all about throwing out the hurt.

[Creaux]

LOL, I read that as it being all about the "whoops!" That explains so many of its rules...things happen by accident all around it!

[Zyrael]

I'm hoping for something as simple as a combination of the Nomad and the Feral.

Base DEF 14, ARM 17

POW 6, reach weapon with base STR 10.
Open Claw 2nd weapon, no third attack.

Warps:
+2 Str (must use if frenzies)
+1 ARM and returns d3 dmg (like spiny growth)
...some character warp... something befitting an armored and armed warpwolf.

I'd like to see another 9 pt alternative to the Feral.

[Ruan]

Heck, this is a Warpwolf we're talking about. Instead of warping speed, warping armor, ect., why not give it a warpable weapon system instead?

Give it something like reach low p+s/no reach high p+s/normal claw (open fist), or melee/ranged/magic, but can only do one at a time like the other warps.

That'd be kinda interesting to see, in my opinion.

[thepetchle]

Heck, this is a Warpwolf we're talking about. Instead of warping speed, warping armor, ect., why not give it a warpable weapon system instead?

Give it something like reach low p+s/no reach high p+s/normal claw (open fist), or melee/ranged/magic, but can only do one at a time like the other warps.

That'd be kinda interesting to see, in my opinion.

That be pretty cool. What about being able to warp for thresher I could find some uses for that

[Kyuss]

How about it perhaps being more like the 'Wolverine' equivalent of Warp Wolfs? Perhaps the have fused its body with Wold stone?

Same Stats as Feral but...

-1 MAT
-2 DEF
+2 ARM

Warpings:
+ 2 str (must take if frenzies)
Armour Piercing
Reach

Animus: Ferocity (Get to re-roll misses) , 2 fury. The only thing I miss from Mark i

I think this could be a 9pt creature...?

[txiab]

Why would you ever take the +2 STR over the Armor Piercing? Also, I really doubt we'll see Armor Piercing on a Circle beast, although I could be wrong. The Behemoth only has POW 12 Armor Piercing fists, why would the Circle get two POW 14 fists with Armor Piercing? The Behemoth also has his guns, but 9 points seems really inexpensive for Armor Piercing. The other problem is that eKaya could take those fists up to POW 16 with ease, which would be really nasty.

[Atavist]

I think that if there was going to be a warrior warp wolf that it should actualy work in concert with infantry like providing a flank bonus or arm bonus when in b2b due to it's enhanced training. Give it a shield, reach weapon, -1 spd -1 fury (it's more tame), some sort of unit buffing animus, and maybe some sort of ability like models in b2b with the wolf can participate in a combined melee attack.

[Kyuss]

Why would you ever take the +2 STR over the Armor Piercing? Also, I really doubt we'll see Armor Piercing on a Circle beast, although I could be wrong. The Behemoth only has POW 12 Armor Piercing fists, why would the Circle get two POW 14 fists with Armor Piercing? The Behemoth also has his guns, but 9 points seems really inexpensive for Armor Piercing. The other problem is that eKaya could take those fists up to POW 16 with ease, which would be really nasty.

So do you mean it should be 10pts? Lots of 'unlikely' things happen...

The +2str is the frenzy option, and just a part of the Warpwolf Template. It doesn't have to be a good option at all. You could change it too +2arm, but I feel that breaks an unwritten rule somewhat.

[txiab]

The Behemoth is 13 points. Less the guns and ARM, and up the speed and POW of the fists, and I am not sure what cost you are looking at. There just really isn't a model to compare it to, and I am not sure how Armor Piercing plays into the cost of the Behemoth. In my mind a fast beast with Armor Piercing would still be under-costed at 10 points, but there really is no template in PP land.

[PG_LEJKaya]

Closest could be the Angelius.
Its fast, P&S 14 but only 1 AP attack.

[Bloodwind]

I can't see us getting a shield...

Same as feral
6 mat
13 def
19 arm(its going to be higher than the purebloods, unless they don't give it armour)
pow 5 sword (p+s 16) <of course, they've avoided giving us a beast with weapons til now.>

warps
-str
-Ferocity
-spurs would be a cool one to get back (would mean 18 base arm though)

[txiab]

I don't see why the Circle couldn't get a beast with a weapon. I suppose on one level keeping our beasts without weapons makes them seem more natural, and less tamed. However, we do strap armor on them and give them loin clothes (At least our Satyrs get them anyway. I guess wolf man doesn't have nards in the Iron Kingdoms).

[Blaque]

I don't see why the Circle couldn't get a beast with a weapon. I suppose on one level keeping our beasts without weapons makes them seem more natural, and less tamed. However, we do strap armor on them and give them loin clothes (At least our Satyrs get them anyway. I guess wolf man doesn't have nards in the Iron Kingdoms).

Warpwolves tend to be rather rabid from what I gather and when you see a Feral on thet able, its a dude having just drank a potion and gone nuts. This is also why he don't have clothing I believe. Purebloods I don't knwo why. I guess they tend to do find howling things to death and prowling and such.

I think it was stated on Satyrs in a NQ that there were tries to teach them to use weapons. Apparently they're too stupid, drop the weapons and try to punch things to death. Citation on that would be needed though.

No clue on constructs. They have thumbs. I guess Baldur doesn't like workignw ith the amount of metal needed to arm them though. In fact, the fact that arming Circle heavies would probably require a lot of metal and moeny (the later Circle seems to be lacking in) is somethign It hink is to be considered. DO they ahve the infastructure for giving their warbeasts heavy weaponry?

And stuff.

[Atavist]

In fact, the fact that arming Circle heavies would probably require a lot of metal and moeny (the later Circle seems to be lacking in) is somethign It hink is to be considered. DO they ahve the infastructure for giving their warbeasts heavy weaponry?

And stuff.

What's to say their weapons have to be metal? Why not rune carved bone or Moshar and Kruger could team up to make some lightning enchanted glass swords or something.

[Blaque]

Until magic comes in, IK seems ot assume that physics works the same and that in the case of enchanting magical items, those are hard to do. Note that most every sword save Tritus seems to be made of metal in the game. Not-metal weapons are rare abouts I find.

Circle itself seems to also use meta. Krueger's spear, the blades of the Tharn axes and most of our warlock's swords tends to be metal. So far I have no real indication that Circle chooses to use not-metalic goods for weaponry and magical gear in the IK is rare enough that just giving it to what presumebly is a FA U warbeast is not something I think is in their warchest.

Just a thought relaly. I just think that we see Circle use enough metal gear that suddenly ahving magic bone swords and such would see a tad out of the blue to me.

And stuff.

[txiab]

I suspect that the Circle can get its hands on whatever it needs or wants. Wasn't it in NQ where Baldur pulls a gold chain off of a dead Skorne warrior to pay a Merc? I don't recall exactly, but I suspect the Circle can get its hands on gold/gems when needed, but finds little value in those items in and for themselves. Also, the Circle has managed to arm their Wolves of Orboros.

[Falcon42]

....and there is no way I am using the extreme version, looks like a cat, a very skinny cat.

No it doesn't, it looks like @ss, a fat wet runny unwashed @ss.

[Blaque]

I suspect that the Circle can get its hands on whatever it needs or wants. Wasn't it in NQ where Baldur pulls a gold chain off of a dead Skorne warrior to pay a Merc? I don't recall exactly, but I suspect the Circle can get its hands on gold/gems when needed, but finds little value in those items in and for themselves. Also, the Circle has managed to arm their Wolves of Orboros.

Notice most Circle metal gear is either big magical swords and voulges (Druids, Morvahna) chain mail (Wolves of Oroboros, Satyrs) or light plating (most our Druids). I think the biggest not-magical hunk of metal on any of our models is Morraig's shield.

As I can tell, big metal weaponry tends to be something industrially produced, such as on warjacks, or part of some sort of warmachien, like that of the Skorne and the Legion. Circle probably does have a good deal of money, since they don't need some things to feed themselves that ohters do (lots of owned land and hunting mostly). But I do question whether they have the facilities to oftentimes make giant weapons for warbeaasts and warjacks like most Iron Kingdoms can.

I mean, with teh Warrior Warpwolf, unless its doing kung fu or has khatars, its obvious that we can arm our heavies. I just wonder if its sensible to assume that fluff-wise we have the means or desire to do it all the time.

And stuff.

[Bladestorm]

"Feral" implies something that has gone wild that is also/usually/sometimes civilized. The pureblood isn't this civilized counter-part since it isn't itself civilized, so much as it is less mad and more developed. This implies a third option somewhere that is civilized.

"Warrior" implies someone that has taken martial ability as a profession, including whatever goes with it.

When I think about the warpwolf warrior as the third wolf that is the counterpoint to the feral I imagine a druid or highly disciplined WoO having been the one given the mad science potion and keeping there mind in the process - resulting in a beast that can use armour and weapons.

This being circle it wouldn't be very heavy armour but something like the Gnarlhorn has or a bit heavier (ringmail?) Likewise probably not huge heavy metal weaponry. With that in mind I noticed they took the name "great voulge" away from the wayfarer so I'm wondering if it won't end up with that. A big spear is another option too. Finally I figure a Buckler makes sense compared to trying to block things with claws for a more civilized mind.

So compared to a feral I reckon: -1 SPD, -1 DEF, +1 ARM, +1 ARM(Buckler) lose the bite but get a reach weapon with an extra point or two of pow on the weapon hand. Given the same three warps it could choose between effectively ARM 20, P+S 18/19 or SPD 7.

[Jotun]

I wouldn't hold your breath on the Warrior Wolf thing. The Warpwolf is something specific in the Iron Kingdoms. To my knowledge there is no civilized, martial version of it. That would run the opposite of what it means to become a Warpwolf. They are about getting back to nature, primal and savage. Potions are taken and so on to become an animal, not tame one.