50pt Carver List: Draft# 1

[peanutbutterconspiracy]

Hey guys, just looking for some feedback on a list I'm looking to run in a tourney in the near future. Let me know what you think!

Lord Carver, BMMD, Esq. III (-6)
--War Hog (-6)(2)
--War Hog (8)
--Targ (2)
Max Brigands (10)
Slaughterhousers (6)
Slaughterhousers (6)
Razorback (3)
Razorback (3)
Rorsh & Brine (9)
Alten (2)

That actually brings me to 49pts, which is fine, seeing that there isn't a whole lot I can really do to add the extra point.

The plan is to run them under the Thornfall list, AD everything that can, and try and get the Razorbacks in a good position to start dug in so they'll be able to shoot. The brigands screen for the slaughterhousers who roll up the board in conjunction with the hogs and wait for something big and juicy to tear apart.

My concerns are that the list may be a little light on beasts... It's not THAT hard to kill a hog, which starts to put Carver in trouble. I don't want to trade R&B because the psychological element of the slingshot is too good to give up.

What are your thoughts on all this?

[Kommander Ridkhov]

I think you'll need another beast in there, maybe lose a slaughterhouser unit for a gunboar?

Or drop a razorback + slaughterhouser unit for a war hog?

Doing either of these will free up a pt to let you add saxon orrik to the list to make 50pts

[dboeren]

It is a little light on the beasts, if you played this list I think you'd want to hold your War Hogs back a little more than usual. Which is probably fine though, because you have plenty of infantry. They can clear out a lot of the field and then the War Hogs come in behind them. However, it wouldn't be bad to make some room for a Gunboar either.

If you keep the list as-is, you could use the extra point to swap Alten for Gudrun perhaps. Or if you do want to squeeze in that Gunboar you're one point closer to making room. Still not sure on what to drop though, and it doesn't seem necessary. With Carver's feat the need for heavies isn't as high as usual since anything can kill big stuff.

[GRYM]

PeanutButterConspiracy,

Your brigands only cost 8 points unless you are going to run 2xMin units of them which will get you 12 models for 10 points but you did spend the right amount of points as listed your math is correct that you do only have one pt to spend with the max unit of brigands @ 8pts. I ask how you are going to use Alten; what is his purpose besides killing things, that what all the models goals should be. Sure his weapon has a 14" range . He has very few synergies to work with the other models in the army and perhaps you want that. I would say go with Pendrake or Saxon and Dboeren's suggestion of Gudrun is a smart choice too. Pendrake gives a unit a bonus with shooty vs. beast and can knock a model down which would then be easy pickens for your War Hogs, Carver, Slaughterhousers or Brine. plus it would make shooting a target with your brigands a walk-thru. Saxon on the other-hand can get those Slaughterhousers thru some difficult terrain as you don't know what the field will look like for these tourneys.

KSW

[peanutbutterconspiracy]

PeanutButterConspiracy, Your brigands only cost 8 points

Curses! Foiled again! Thanks for pointing that out, carelessness on my part!

I agree with all the above that the list is light on beasts-- This concerns me mainly for the purposes of late-game fury. I think fitting a Gun Boar in to play conservatively with just to make sure I have access to fury once I lose a hog or two might be the way to go. As for what to take out, I'm not sure-- My 1 unit of slaughterhousers runs into trouble with getting annihilated sometimes, because people know they're scary, another unit would help mitigate the problem, but I don't know that it would be better than another beast.

As for Alten, he's mostly there for the points-- Looking at the options, Saxon or Pendrake both seem like better choices. Saxon's utility is obvious with pathfinder-ing SH's.

Pendrake, I'm not as sure about. The bola attack is a good one, but I just worry that with his RAT, it doesn't really solve my high-def problems. He stands just as good a chance for a knockdown as my Hogs do for hitting, and their MAT just doesn't cut it against some targets. He can get the aiming bonus I suppose, but I don't know if that mitigates his "meh" RAT well enough. Beast Lore is pretty good, and can really ramp the SH's up and fix their not-hitting problem. Duck makes him a decent threat against beasts, in terms of tying them up-- Is he a viable Quagmire (Friendly Faction) target? That could really lock a beast in place. I think he's definitely a step-up from Alten who does nothing spectacular, but I don't know if he's a better choice than Saxon, whose utility stays the same against both WM and Hordes (Whereas Pendrake really helps only with beasts).

[GRYM]

PBC,

Yes both Saxon and Pendrake are MINIONS thus Faction. Though Pendrake Bola may be risky with high def targets, vs a jack or beast with a 10-13 he has a good chance of hitting and if he stands still he can hit 15 def on an avg roll of 7. A knocked down target is easy prey for your army. The other benefit of Pendrake is the Beast Lore. This can be used on your Brigands or on Carver and he has two shots or Both Barrels. Having those boosted Ranged attack rolls vs warbeasts with either the Brigand's CRAs or Carver's 2 shots or Both Barrels will be helpful and saves Carver Fury which he can use to boost damage instead of the ranged attack roll. These is one more sneaky trick you can do with Pendrake. you can target your own model in melee with another model. Once knocked down the model is no longer in melee and does not block line of sight. pg 63 a knocked down model does not engage other models and CANNOT be engaged by them. A knocked down model does not block line of sight and is never an intervening model. etc etc. If you can get a brigand or what ever in B2B contact with an enemy model and it has Quagmire on it then you knock it down and viola -2 DEF and model not engaged in MELEE. And whats cool is if you attack said brigand/creature from behind you get +2 to hit thus it DEF is only 2 higher. I've been reviewing tricks like this to use in a future tourney. what would be sillier is to have a War Beast do the charge/run up or a slaughterhouser (who has tough) do it attack then get knocked down(The Warbeast will normally be easier to hit esp w/batten down the hatches). Then the soften target can get attacked by a CRA from the Brigands.

KSW