How to take on Bastions?

[Da Butcher]

Okay, so I one of the guys I play with use eKreoss and a full unit of Bastions in his army. When he doesnt run eKreoss he uses the chick that has 10 focus. I cant remember her name now. Anyway, I've been having problems taking on his Bastions. The closest I've gotten was charging him with a unit o Reavers and took out 2 of them before being massacred by the other 3 after eKreoss' feat set off. How can I deal with this as a Khador player?

[Scowling-Koldun]

Difficult terrain? Send in lots of little guys.

[inquizarus]

Its not really the bastions (atleast not for me) but rather eKreoss feat itself, auto hit and extra attack from such a large amount of weaponmasters is redonkelus.

I have had a good runt with slamming great bears into them.

Remeber, if he starts to allocate all damage to a guy with just 1 wound left he is not playing by the rules. If he tries to allocate 20pts of damage to a single bastion other than the attacked modell that only have a single wound left, he dies after the first damage and the rest of the damage goes onto the other guys.

Bastion A have one wound left, bastion B have full health and C have full health.

You hit Bastion B with a chargeing doomreaver and do 27 damage - 16 from armor that is 11pts of damage rite there.
You opponent now allocate that to Bastion A and laugh about soaking all your damage in one hit-box, you jump onto the table and screams NO!!!!
Then you calmly tell him that Bastion A dies, then he have to allocate the remaining 10pts of damage to bastion B and C.

BUT if he let Bastion B take the damage from the beginning he would die and the remaining 3pts of damage would vanish as overkill.

[Warcaster Feiss]

Bastions are great vs nickle-and-dime attacks (i.e. lots of low power attacks designed to plink away the healthpoints), so deny them this strength, by hitting them with disproportionately high damage rolls. As soon as they're taking enough damage that'll do more than kill a single model (i.e. 9+ pts of damage) they'll likely just remove the model hit by the attack rather than using Sanguine Bond.

If they share out the pain with Sanguine Bond, then you're better off, so let them do it

I find Destroyer / Behemoth / Decimator shots with boosted damage can work a treat

[CrashProned]

If you are willing to use your Kayazy Assassins Underboss minifeat, they can kill the Bastiens pretty well. Backstab charge much?

[Kommissar Golovko]

If you are willing to use your Kayazy Assassins Underboss minifeat, they can kill the Bastiens pretty well. Backstab charge much?

You don't get the backstab bonus if you activated the models in front of the Bastions and somehow manage to get to the rear arc (which is almost impossible to do since one needs to keep the target model of the charge in the charging model's melee range).

[scout's honor]

If you are willing to use your Kayazy Assassins Underboss minifeat, they can kill the Bastiens pretty well. Backstab charge much?

You only qualify for back strikes if you have been in your target's back arc for your entire activation. The underboss doesn't let you circumvent that in any way. Backstab is an ability that really doesn't come into play all that much - the kayazy's key qualities in the offensive department are gang and the underboss' minifeat making it very easy to get charge lanes.

edit: ninja'ed by a kommissar. The humiliation!

[PG_ThatRickGuy]

The biggie for Bastions is simple: Overkill and Simultanious attacks. Sprays, AOEs, Thresher all do a number on them.

-Rick

[mikasa]

One word : Beast09

[Frege]

One word : Beast09

This - although that might technically be two words.

[mikasa]

this - although that might technically be two words.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[PG_ChainGun]

I think that if there's one faction which should not have too much trouble killing Bastions is...us. They have low DEF so anything we have can hit them and high damage output...? Since when high damage output is a problem for us? We have Fury, Blood Lust, Blood Frenzy, Hand of Fate, Signs and Portents, Blood of Kings, Unearthly Rage, Harm and Winter's Chill. The Bastions have only 40 damage boxes: they can shuffle the damage around all they want, but inflicting 40 damage is something Khadoran children do on their way to kindergarten...

[Scowling-Koldun]

Even our jacks would hit on 5s.

[DoktorVivi]

This - although that might technically be two words.

Actually I think it's three: Beast Zero Nine. :P

I think that if there's one faction which should not have too much trouble killing Bastions is...us. They have low DEF so anything we have can hit them and high damage output...? Since when high damage output is a problem for us? We have Fury, Blood Lust, Blood Frenzy, Hand of Fate, Signs and Portents, Blood of Kings, Unearthly Rage, Harm and Winter's Chill. The Bastions have only 40 damage boxes: they can shuffle the damage around all they want, but inflicting 40 damage is something Khadoran children do on their way to kindergarten...

Also this ^

[Da Butcher]

I was thinking last night that Beast 09 would slaughter them to pieces. Thats what I'll have to use next time. thx guys. I was thinking a psorscha army could decimate him. The winterguard unit being so cheap with uncle Joe would waste that unit no time too. How do you think a pVlad army could do against them?

[ShockwaveIIC]

but inflicting 40 damage is something Khadoran children do on their way to kindergarten...

Almost sig'able.

[Rampage_Starfire]

they can shuffle the damage around all they want, but inflicting 40 damage is something Khadoran children do on their way to kindergarten...

Totally Sig material, and,this is now going in my sig

[PG_Chosenbythesun]

Dammit. I was going to sig that!

[Auracco]

I was thinking last night that Beast 09 would slaughter them to pieces. Thats what I'll have to use next time. thx guys. I was thinking a psorscha army could decimate him. The winterguard unit being so cheap with uncle Joe would waste that unit no time too. How do you think a pVlad army could do against them?

With S&P pretty much anything in Vlad's army can deal with these guys. They also have a move of 4 and not a lot of way to boost that, shooting them is a good way to get rid of them since they will have a hard time reaching you.

[Blugger]

Backstab is an ability that really doesn't come into play all that much

False, backstab comes into play even when you're not playing the game

It's the reason khador will never get TK

Otherwise, bastions are slow and predictable and eKreoss only exacerbates that fact.

[scout's honor]

False, backstab comes into play even when you're not playing the game.

Surely you realize "into play" and "not playing" make for an inherent contradiction.

[wiking]

Just freeze their butts off with Ice cages and move 4 deal with them when necessary

[Oniichan]

Why would you ever Ice Cage them? Just use the Greylord sprays and try to hit multiple Bastions in each shot - they hit on 5's and do dice-4 damage each.

[PG_ThatRickGuy]

Surely you realize "into play" and "not playing" make for an inherent contradiction.

Clearly you've never dated your best friend's x-girl friend.

-Rick

[jameslsummers]

nope, but i did merry her, lol.

[PG_MrChom]

No one's mentioned the great bears yet, tsk tsk. What with Backswing, high MAT and weaponmaster they do a fairly good job of wiping Bastions off the table....as do the Demo Corps

[DoktorVivi]

Doomreavers destroy them pretty well too. Sure, they won't get their berserk off, but they don't really need to. They're rolling dice -3 with 4d6 on the charge and only need 4s or 5s (don't remember Bastions exact def) to hit.

[Auracco]

Bastion are def 11 if I remember correctly, so you would only need 4s to hit. Doom reavers are also faster than bastion, you should be able to get the charge easily.

[inquizarus]

No one's mentioned the great bears yet, tsk tsk. What with Backswing, high MAT and weaponmaster they do a fairly good job of wiping Bastions off the table....as do the Demo Corps

pfft, reread my post up there :P