Damiano and Boomhowlers..

[Saint-Ex]

Hi Guys,

Played a 50 point game last night using Damiano and Rocinante for the first time and I wanted to check something with you.

I did miss on this last night but am I right to assume that if I cast Sure foot on a unit of Boomhowlers they cannot be knocked down after they pass a tough check? Page 29 of Prime does state that "can?t" overrides "can or must", that seem way too nice if it happens. Sure foot worked very well of the steelheads and I only thought of Boomies this morning. Have you had any experience with that combo?

By the way Damiano and his riflemen did win the game after a major slug fest against Cryx.

[Kalandros]

There are a ton of things with anti-knockdown and Tough - Covenant of Menoth for a unit made Tough by Rhupert or for Monks. Press Gangers (built-in Tough) and Sea Dog crews made tough (Rockbottom) with the pirate solo granting no knockdown in his CMD on top of Doc granting 4+ tough in his CMD.

etc

So indeed you are not knocked down if you are immune to knockdown effects

[Saint-Ex]

Merci Ca c'est cool.

Can't wait to try it at my next league game.

[absent]

remember surefoot doesnt go on a unit, but one model, otherwise you have it. I use boomhowlers with one damiano list, my friends use pirates, both like tough no kd

[Saint-Ex]

Yea I know but if you place it on Boomhowler and you keep him centred 3" should pretty much take care of most of them. With the small bases riflemen I got all but two and the guy I picked was off to one side.

[Ondusi]

I gotta say, I've ran Boomhowler and Co. twice now with Damiano (no steelheads!!!!!), and they are absolute money with him. Between Sure Foot (usually on Stannis, who sits behind the unit), Dead Eye, and the feat, they are just a power house unit that not only does it all, but does it well and hard. Rock'em out with Damiano!!!!

[iknowinternet]

I like to put Sure Foot on a high profile solo with already high DEF (Orrik, Ragman, etc.) and drop it in the ranks of the Boomhowlers. I've had luck keeping Saxon Orrik and the Boomhowlers alive long enough against a Grim Angus list that would have otherwise neutered Saxon's Stealth.

[Bartacus]

Wouldn't you be better off putting Sure Foot on Boomie himself in that scenario and keep the small-based solo close by, it would let you cover a larger area? Agree with Ondusi that Stannis is a great Sure Foot target.

[absent]

stealthy solos with high defense can be much harder to kill or shoot with epic eiryss than boomhowlers, and the larger base doesn't give you all that much more surface area.

[MagnustheJust]

Because it is irking me just a tad, I must correct one thing...

Boomhowler is the unit officer. The rest of the unit are unnamed Mercenary Trollkin. Although, it would not surprise me if several of them were cousins to Greygore.

[Bartacus]

But you would keep the solo within the 3' so that they would get the bonus as well. Can't face doing the math on the difference in areas covered but putting it on a small based model just seems like short-changing yourself.

[Hooch]

As has been mentioned in other threads, put Sure Foot on a Submerged Snapjaw = win

[Bingo the Fun Monkey]

I've had pretty reasonable success putting it on eAlexia and Stannis. I haven't taken Boomie 'n Co. with Damiano, although it does sound intriguing.

[cannonball]

Capt D can give Boomhowler almost everything they want....

[MagnustheJust]

Capt D can give Boomhowler almost everything they want....

Kegs upon kegs of Trollkin brew, and lots of Trollkin women???

Didn't know the Cap'n. had such contacts!!

[ResurrectioN]

I had to deal with them once.

Sure foot on Vanguard (who stands behind trolls, obviously) and Dirge of Mist from Rhupert makes them DEF 15 and nothing happens 50% if you kill them.
Very annoying.

[pattison]

Kegs upon kegs of Trollkin brew, and lots of Trollkin women???
Didn't know the Cap'n. had such contacts!!

He has all kinds of contacts.

[rydiafan]

But you would keep the solo within the 3' so that they would get the bonus as well. Can't face doing the math on the difference in areas covered but putting it on a small based model just seems like short-changing yourself.

If Eiryss shoots the Sure Foot target everybody loses the bonus. The tiny area increase gained by putting it on Boomhowler is not worth losing the spell completely. Slap it on a solo with high DEF and stealth/sucker/submerge/sac pawn.

[PG_Shadow37]

Kegs upon kegs of Trollkin brew, and lots of Trollkin women???

Didn't know the Cap'n. had such contacts!!

Contacts are useful...but so is money

[rydiafan]

Pro-tip: If you put Sure Foot on Gudrun he can mini-feat without being knocked down!

[NEoJoe]

Aw man. I missed this thread. I did this trick in journeyman league and someone said "it's like a big unit of middle fingers." Which made my day.

[iknowinternet]

Aw man. I missed this thread. I did this trick in journeyman league and someone said "it's like a big unit of middle fingers." Which made my day.

Bingo. That's why I love Boomhowler. Of course, if you're whiffing all your tough rolls, they tend to feel like flaccid middle fingers.

[MMMMK]

How does a pimped out sea dog unit compare to Boomhowler's for this generalist super-tough kind of unit?
You can even omit Grogspar when running the unit with Damiano.

I ask because running a Shae and a Damiano list as a fun secondary army seemed appealing. Does Damiano
run sea dogs well?

[pattison]

Yes, he does.

[Osito]

very well...

[rydiafan]

Yes, he does.

very well...

And I have Steamroller coins to prove it.

[fflar]

Pro-tip: If you put Sure Foot on Gudrun he can mini-feat without being knocked down!

It *does* work quite well with Hangover, doesn't it? Never saw that before - after he gets killed the first time he just heals to full and stays standing at DEF 15. Sort of like a Mercenary dragoon, without the whole horse part. On the downside, it doesn't work at all with Binge Drinking or Feign Death, since he can't even knock himself down (well, he can try, but he just loses his movement or action instead).

Don't have the card in front of me, but I think that's how it all works...

[rydiafan]

Actually, he wouldt even have to sacrifice something. That only happens if you are thrown or slammed before activating, and are steady. In reality, absolutley nothing would happen, which was the joke.

Although you are right about Hangover.

[fflar]

Actually, he wouldt even have to sacrifice something. That only happens if you are thrown or slammed before activating, and are steady. In reality, absolutley nothing would happen, which was the joke.

Although you are right about Hangover.

Huh. So I’ve been playing that wrong. Thanks!

[theflyingdutchman59]

you would be surprisedwhat deadeye can do for boomholwers. not only were they " a bunch of middle fingers" they were a slap in the face. just saying, dont ever fr get that hey have guns.

[MarneusBigFists]

And I have Steamroller coins to prove it.

You can't resist mentioning it in every Damiano thread huh? :P

I'm gonna try to run him Full steelheads, just for the lulz. I'll probably post the results in a week or two.

[iknowinternet]

you would be surprisedwhat deadeye can do for boomholwers. not only were they " a bunch of middle fingers" they were a slap in the face. just saying, dont ever fr get that hey have guns.

Done this. Loved seeing the look on my opponent's face when he realized they could suddenly hit worth crap.

[theflyingdutchman59]

and i quote
"you need 9's to hit"
"im rolling 3 dice"
"wait, what.... crap"

[pattison]

OK guys, I understand that Damiano works superbly well with a bunch of things, but -surprise!- he does work really well with Steelheads too!
Ah, come on, it would be just plain stupid if he couldn't.
I don't mean the Tier army, because there are many other stuff that the Steelheads need to function properly, but you can still run an effective Steelhead-heavy force with him.

[MarneusBigFists]

I don't know, the only unit I've been eyeballing for him on my standard Forgeguard + Rhupert list are the Riflemen. The Halbs just don't call me, MAt 9 on the charge or not. The Cavalry is alright, I guess. That's why I said I'll give the list a try.

[pattison]

I use Halberdiers regularly with not just Damiano but with Durgen too.
And the Cav obviously needs them.
Have to mention that I have very good experiences with a full unit of FG under Damiano.

[MarneusBigFists]

Well, they do gain a damage buff with Durgen... But I can't find the selling point With Don Amador

[pattison]

- Spreading the love of Ragman with their Reach.
- Providing a good, cheap front line, resilient against charges.
- Capable of doing some damage with good MAT on the charge from a reasonable distance. Damage buff comes from Ragman, A&H and the feat. Against priority targets that can even mean a MAT9 P+S18 charge from a humble halberdier.
- Last but not least providing flank bonus for the Cavalry, and between a coin for reform, Death March and Rhupert on demand it's kind of granted. While still spreading Ragman's love effectively with their Reach...

These are the selling points for me when it comes to Halbies for Damiano.

[MarneusBigFists]

I'll have to try them.