eCain/Kara... to tier or not to tier?

[EBC]

I've recently decided to return to WM after a year or two break, but decided to "restart" buy selling off my Khador and Mercs, and to start playing Cygnar. In hindsight, part of my issue with Khador in the past was that I was trying to run them AS Cygnar instead of just switching to the "blue team". So, in other words, I've been out of loop... not a complete WM noob, but by all standards a noob none-the-less!

Anyway, I was lucky enough to land a copy of the armybook early, and have been just itching to start buying models. However, I would like to get some input from the vets on their thoughts of the tier lists... mainly for eCain and Kara.

I'm looking to mainly play at my LGS in WM open play nights, future leagues, and/or small/local 10-12 man tournaments... just to give you a sense of how competitive I'm looking to be. It doesn't need to be an "instant win", but I don't want a pushover list either. So, just how competitive (in your opinion) could eCain and Kara's tier lists be? Initially, with eCain I'm thinking of sticking in the tier 2/3 range as I'm unsure about including lancers, but with Kara I'm thinking I could go for a full tier 4. Part of the appeal of the tier lists for these two is that it gives me, a new MKII/Cygnar player, makes the task of list building a bit easier in its restrictions and may force to make certain units work where in a different list I may have just dismissed them all together.

To sum it all up, (since I feel like I'm ranting) do you feel a tier list for either of these two can built into at least a semi-competitive force, or is too much getting sacrificed by their restrictions? I'm open for a challenge, and a steep learning curve, but at the same time I don't want to "tie my own hands" so to speak and get pounded every single game by even new players like myself.

Thanks.
- EBC -

[Jorek]

No Reinholdt? Not to tier!

[Mutton]

eCaine's tier lists bring nothing of value to him; effectively, the best bonus is a free GMCA, but you're giving up Reinholdt, the Squire, Ryssyl, Eiryss, Stormnouns, etc etc. Tier lists are there to play just for the fun of messing around; I wouldn't run one (outside of maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe eNemo's) in a serious game. eCaine is by himself good enough that you can win with his lower level tiers (but just pretend tier 4 doesn't exist). Honestly, I would start an eCaine list just by using the basics (Reinholdt, Squire, Eiryss, ranged unit, melee unit, heavy 'jack) and get comfortable with him before trying a tier. Can't speak to Sloan though.

[whats82]

Reinholdt alone is reason not to tier.
Sad the game for Cygnar is balanced around the access to mercs but tiers explicitly cuts that out.

[Calmorian]

I agree with Mutton for the vast majority. Though as boring as it is, I think the spam that is pCaine may do just fine. pCaine, Four Hunters, 2 Units of ATGM with attachments and a B13...it's not awful at all. It does sound like boring spam though.

[EBC]

Wow, thanks for the super fast response everyone! Pretty much answers my question... no tier list it is!