Hordes Colossals speculation thread

[Sygerrik]

No mammoth please. The SA already fills our "battle beast with howdah" quota. I'd like to see one of the following two things:
1) a savage, semi-feral giant-- one that's been totally broken down by the paingivers, had its mind and will destroyed, and bent to the power of the mortitheurges. it's got one open fist and one huge falchion and it's wearing cyclops-styled armor.
2) a gargantuan AG statue like the ones in the book. maybe to go with new AG statue heavies and lights and eXerxis the AG.

[odinsgrandson]

You know, I hadn't thought of a construct as a possibility for a Skorne beast before this thread. The idea is pretty interesting, although I think it would be odd to introduce the very first one as a colossal (or Guargantuan- do we have confirmation on that name?).

Still, I'd love to see Giants. The fluff we know is that there are few of them- we have four of them named in the Monsternomicon II (Ajaxis, Ouilixes, Hekor and Chilon- Chilon was captured by Skorne and put to work in construction). The Monsternomicon I has the Guardian Giant in it (and from that entry, we can surmise that there are other guardians).

We don't know for sure how many Giants there are. The fluff on them is a little bit vague- there may be very few giants alive left- or there may be a whole city full of them.

We also aren't totally certain as to an average giant's power level. The M'con II has three extremely powerful giants (less powerful than a dragon, but they could combine to take one out). These may be normal giants, but they also may be extremely elite heroes. Like how we can't determine a human's power level based on Vinter Raelthorn's stats.

Well, I'd love to see Chilon on the battle field. I wonder if this is a possibility if they aren't going to be unique.

I guess we'll see.

[PG_gabbadj]

The Skorne T-Rex was released yeaaars ago ;p

[komodokeeper]

WILDEST SPECULATION YET-

Minions will get undead (ish) Orgoth....

Now, I know this seems more in line for Cryxy stuff, and there is the rumor going around that PPS will never bring back Orogth, but both minion pacts have an explanation for using an orgoth in this manner; Farrow have Arkadius, Gators have Voodoo and Maelok. An Orgoth could be risen (without true sentience, important for a unit like this) in times of dire need, without PPS having to go back on their word (Which basically said the Orgoth will not be returning as a faction/etc.). Could be fun, and would create a good synergy. . .if Colossals are back, why not the Orgoth at the same time, so to speak. I think it's a good dynamic...

...probably won't happen...

they might get this guy though. . . .


Beware the SEA PIG

[Hasten]

Beware the SEA PIG

I don't know what that is, but it will haunt my dreams.

-H

[correlation2]

That's an angry looking potato...thing.

[zionson]

At this point I don't really know or care what they're giving the other Hordes factions.

I just know that if they put a giant pig on a 120mm base, I'm buying two on the day they're released.

[boxur333]

ok so new to the threads here and im doing this on my phone ( just a warning for bad spelling - big thumbs small touch screen keyboard)
so on to it: first of all i highly doubt circle will get a giant wold would be cool but wont happen because than only baldur could run it properly and pp doesnt want to create limits with such epic beasts...what i was thinking is a minotaur boom i just blew your mind! now i have been working on some concept art for it...i am an art student mostly 3d modelling and sculpting but i sort of can draw..anyways i have been working on this for a few days randomly i want to sculpt it after but i was thinking of doing it as just a heavy but could work as bigger. the way i pictured him was gladiator armour with big stone carved hammer wrapped in vines..and his annimus has to be called labyrinth. and the dude has to love charging...thats his thing..some ability called call of the charge..i dont know? but anyways...i was going to wait to create i post to discuss it but i will test the idea here first....im just a fan by the way no ties to pp just incase someone got the wrong idea...hopefully ill be done the drawings and be able to get on the computer for the scupting soon!

[alchahest]

Legion will get a gigantic carnivean lower half, and the top half will be another carnivean lower half, upside-down.

[Alex C]

Legion will get a gigantic carnivean lower half, and the top half will be another carnivean lower half, upside-down.

And it will be the same pose as the heavy kit.

[Carnage]

Definitely not a gorgandur. It's tooth is the size of a ligh jack.

[Gavriel]

Yes Gorgandur are way to large to be on a 120 mm base. Same thing with actual dragons.

Ideas I had

trolls: This giant troll is a dire that has been somehow hulked out by doomshaper's magic.

skorne: Giant construction sounds good, but dinosaur thing is more likely given the current artistic style they've been going for.

circle: Woldwrath is the most likely choice. Large creatures are possible, but if they don't release the woldwrath now, when would they do it?

legion: Blighted drake would be cool, but a giant creature grown from pyromalfic's teeth seems just as likely.

minions: Either they won't get one, or it will be a pig. The reason I see this happening is that the farrow are able to build their beasts through cybernetics so overcoming natural size limits isn't as big a problem for them as the gators.

[alchahest]

the legion beast will be a dragonspawn, not a "blighted ______". as yet, the nephilim are the only warbeasts that aren't made of warlock blood. We have no reason to believe that there will be anything that is just a blighted version of something else. I, personally, am hoping for a gigantic teraph. the first of the gigantic bases with tunneling!

[PG_DaveZee]

A Colossal Ancestral Guardian is what I hoped for when they announced BE's, and it is what I still hope for now. As long as it fits in Zaal's tier list.

[yankeefan]

Definitely not a gorgandur. It's tooth is the size of a ligh jack.

a fully grown one yes but it could be a blight baby one the blight stunting its normal growth. the reason I dont think the Legion one is going to my a dragon spawn is cause making heavies is taxing as is on the warlocks creating typhon nearly killed thagrosh. i just feel that its to much blood for them to lose at once. where as with the legion just hoping around in ruhl they could very well be blighting the local wildlife. btw where are my blighted dwarves?

[alchahest]

I, for one, am not interested in a colossal that doesn't have blood creation as a rule.

I would also like to note that there's been a lot of talk in the fluff about vayl and her experiments, and now that bethayne is on board, I could forsee the two of them concocting something magnificent.

[Dracon]

Except it's not a Sub Cortex per se. It's one freakin huge system that you have to destroy both sections of to knock out. I assume über mega beasts will simply have two full sets of spirals. Anything else would put them a major disadvantage against units that choose column or spiral.

No, there is a sub- cortex (although it' called the superstructure system). It's the box marked 's'. He's got a point.

[Lanz]

Circle - As far as I know, the Woldwrath is a unique thing, and not something that could be FA:2. I'd like to see a giant snake. Like a Craw Wurm from M:TG coiled around on its base. I'd be like a giant Circle insignia brought to life.

Legion - I want to say a dragon, but my thoughts are mostly on the logistics of a huge-base dragonspawn at this point. It has already been detailed in the fluff just how dangerous it is to spawn heavies, and it took several warlocks to spawn the first Throne. It would take something new to spawn a huge-size dragonspawn. That said, I really do want a dragon or a wyvern or something else. Give it arms/legs, big wings, and make it something that I could call a 'dragon' and I'd be happy.

Skorne - don't care.

Trolls - a big troll. Obviously. Not only have we seen it's mugshot already, but it's not like trolls ever get anything that isn't a troll, so it shouldn't come as very surprising.

Minions - 'something different' is what PP said, I believe. Which might mean no colossal for them at all, or it could mean two colossals, or a strange dual-colossal, or a character colossal, or something.

[correlation2]

The cynic in me says Legion gets another model that comes with a huge host of hentai jokes.

[yankeefan]

Skorne - don't care.

im hoping for the skorne war beast from the witchfire books. its a big trex with what looks like a bunker on its back armed with multiple cannons

[Lanz]

im hoping for the skorne war beast from the witchfire books. its a big trex with what looks like a bunker on its back armed with multiple cannons

Sure. Nothing wrong with a t-rex.

That said, I echo what someone said earlier about Skorne's howda quota being full for now. T-rex without a box on its back sounds fine though.

[Pudgeinabowl]

My suspicion is that the Legion ones will be grown from the teeth Kallus brought back. My great hope is that they will be mini-versions of Everblight. Avatars that will finally fullfill the wish I've had since Primal to get an actual dragon.

What I hope they're not is more tentacles. I don't mind the Throne, but I want a sleek, angular, shark, not yet more fodder for hentai jokes.

This times a thousand, I don't want to see my colossal and think 'I'm dead certain there's some cartoon with this very thing doing something naughty to a woman'.

I want to see it go I OWN A FREAKING HUGE DRAGONSPAWN! Or a giant shredder, or giant nephilim, giant anything actually, just no. tentacles. please.

[Space Donkey]

I'm calling "Bog Hog" as the name for the Minion one.

[Quizboy]

I hope the Circle one isn't the Woldwrath or similar - as much as I'm sure it'd be cool and I think the whole weather manipulation deal makes it pretty likely (assuming Hordes Colossals are supposed to be ranged-heavy too), after the Fulcrum I'd really love our next huge centrepiece to swing back to the living beasts side of the Circle. Also I'm kind of tired of painting stone! Maybe huge Devourer-lite worms or some sort of primal forest spirit (thinking of the forest god from Princess Mononoke here ) embodying aspects of lots of different wild animals...

[ProtoClone]

Trollbloods - Avatar of Dhunia...I can dig it!

Skorne - T-Rex, only if it looks like this.

Circle - How about a giant redwood size Treeant?

Legion - How about something that looks like a blighted Tiamat (but without emphasis on the tentecles).

Minions - Some kind of Arkadius experiment on a large scale. I am thinking he made it by cobbling together several different creatures and tech.

[Carnage]

I hope the Circle one isn't the Woldwrath or similar - as much as I'm sure it'd be cool and I think the whole weather manipulation deal makes it pretty likely (assuming Hordes Colossals are supposed to be ranged-heavy too), after the Fulcrum I'd really love our next huge centrepiece to swing back to the living beasts side of the Circle. Also I'm kind of tired of painting stone! Maybe huge Devourer-lite worms or some sort of primal forest spirit (thinking of the forest god from Princess Mononoke here ) embodying aspects of lots of different wild animals...

But I really, really want a Woldwrath </whine>

Or maybe a DTM that drank the Warpwolf elixir. I'd be okay with that.

[wickedgrey]

People keep getting sidetracked with the whole Circle / Woldwrath thing. Let's focus:

- Take Megalith, make huge.
- Get rid of the stone blocks, leave it more like a hollow scaffolding of a giant construct.
- Riding inside of the scaffolding are arguses. Think Voltron made out of hamster tubes full of two headed dogs.
- The back has a trebuchet for lobbing argii around. At the start of the battle you pick your ammo/beast loadout ("I'll take 2 regulars and a winter.").

This.

[correlation2]

Or just a 120mm base chalk full of those clacking little forest spirits.


Those guys were awesome.

[Top]

There are giants in the far mountains. I think a Blighted Giant for Legion would really be both a lot of fun and a very cool model to see.

[alchahest]

or legion could go with the same thing it does for all warbeasts and make up it's own creature instead of cribbing something else?

[Top]

Why get stuck in a mold? Spiny giants!

[Lanz]

I'd hate a giant in Legion. The only exception I could make is if it were some heavily-blighted fully-armored super-knight on the range of something like a giant Soul Calbur's Nightmare. Though that still wouldn't fit Legion's aesthetic, and wouldn't fit the lore as Legion struggles with getting metal for it's troops, much less managing to armor multiple towering giants.

Give me a dragon-like dragonspawn. Anything less than that is doing the Legion players a disservice. It's what we all really want, and the only ones who would say otherwise are the ones too jaded by releases to think there's any chance of actually getting one.

Make it happen, PP. Dragons. I demandz it. Give me dragons and I'll buy two (most of us probably would). Give me anything else, and I probably won't bother.

[correlation2]

Wouldn't a PP dragon just be another bigger Typhon? Maybe with wings?

They seem to be less "dragon" like in DND and more just a tumble of scales and spikes in whatever combination they feel like. I wouldn't be surprised if said "dragon" turns out to just be some kind of giant tentacle beast. Like... make it like an Iguana in terms of body shape, maybe add vestigial wings, then spam spikes and gaping maws out of place on the body - along with a couple of longer tentacles by the main mouth like the Thrullg.

[Lanz]

Wouldn't a PP dragon just be another bigger Typhon? Maybe with wings?

They seem to be less "dragon" like in DND and more just a tumble of scales and spikes in whatever combination they feel like. I wouldn't be surprised if said "dragon" turns out to just be some kind of giant tentacle beast. Like... make it like an Iguana in terms of body shape, maybe add vestigial wings, then spam spikes and gaping maws out of place on the body - along with a couple of longer tentacles by the main mouth like the Thrullg.

Or an Angelius with legs, or whatever. Give it legs, give it wings, give it a tail, horns, and let it breathe fire, and they can call it whatever they want, I'll call it a dragon.

And I'll buy 2 and glorify in their awesomeness.

[Carnage]

Wouldn't a PP dragon just be another bigger Typhon? Maybe with wings?

They seem to be less "dragon" like in DND and more just a tumble of scales and spikes in whatever combination they feel like. I wouldn't be surprised if said "dragon" turns out to just be some kind of giant tentacle beast. Like... make it like an Iguana in terms of body shape, maybe add vestigial wings, then spam spikes and gaping maws out of place on the body - along with a couple of longer tentacles by the main mouth like the Thrullg.

The dragon illustrations from the Monsternomicon books conform pretty well to the basic standards of dragons. The dragonspawn are only vaguely draconian in appearance, with some coming closer in form to a true dragon than others (IIRC the Angelius is said to come closest to matching a dragon's true appearance).

[Nalik]

If I were to pick up my Circle again I'd want some sort of Ettin or giant Humanoid for Circle. Just because I've had enough of lower power hitters. I'd prefer something with a weapon other than a WWS.

[PG_princessprettyposies]

Jason Soles showed us concept art of the troll gargantuan at the irish masters last weekend

Its called the "King of the mountain" & it looks awesome! Imagine a MASSIVE dire troll with chains hang in off it with an community of wells crawling over it. The thing looked about as wide as the 5inch base & taller

really cool! :-)

[Maerik]

If you look at the Troll concept art for the big bad, it's broken a ton of chains and looks like a mountain. I'm guessing super, super old trolls that have been kept out of the world because they're just so destructive and unpredictable. Isn't Madrak on some sort of walkabout? He probably finds the power to convince these epic-super-mountain-mega-trolls to play nice and stomp in the direction of the enemies of the Kriels.

As for Legion. Want dragon. Want dragon much. Give me avatars/children of Everblight wherein he splits his athanc into Warbeasts as a new experiment, and somehow flaws his spawn so that they don't grow into fully autonomous dragons.

[Maerik]

Gargantuan! Love it!

[correlation2]

Blasphemy. It's breath type will be Fire/Ice/Corrosion/Lightning and we will all lol mightily at your misfortune.