Kromac the Ravenous: An In-depth Guide.

[Omegon]

I'm very interested to hear Will's take on reinforcements and builds for other points, namely 75 points.

I'm very interested in the reinforcement part aswell. As i understand, feral and gallows grove is atm the way he see's it at 50 points.

Your desire to see 75 point lists baffels me though. In my oppinion it is more interesting to see how the different tournement kosher list's looks to Will. I'm thinking 35 points (7 reinforced), 35 points hardcore, 42 points (8 reinforced) and 50. But 50 is allready covered ofc

[kaneblaise]

I'm very interested in the reinforcement part aswell. As i understand, feral and gallows grove is atm the way he see's it at 50 points.

Your desire to see 75 point lists baffels me though. In my oppinion it is more interesting to see how the different tournement kosher list's looks to Will. I'm thinking 35 points (7 reinforced), 35 points hardcore, 42 points (8 reinforced) and 50. But 50 is allready covered ofc

There's a major con (can't remember which) that is using a 75 points master format this year, so it's a reasonable enough request.

[PG_cheddercaveman]

Kaneblaise beat me to it, GenCon is going to have 75-point 2-list masters event so I'm curious

[Exiled05]

This is an excellent guide to Kromac and has helped me field this monster caster with great success, so thank you very much!

I'm very interested to hear Will's take on reinforcements and builds for other points, namely 75 points.

With my current gaming group pushing into 75 points, I too am curious about Will's take on Kromac at 75 points.

[PG_cheddercaveman]

Yea, I'm still pretty interested in the 75-point build out myself. I've been trying to figure out some ideas for it, but so far I've just not been able to really get to the thought of 25 more points. I don't think just throwing in 25 points of beasts is a good idea, but I'm thinking maybe one more wouldn't be bad, probably another heavy. That's still leaving probably 15 points to work with. Going off of Will's thoughts at the beginning, I suppose that'd leave Bloodtrackers as an option, but then Nuala is locked out of another list which could be a problem. I'd say we'd still want things triggering Warpath though.

The Fulcrum might be a possibility, but it seems sort of odd in a list like this, and probably not where you want to be putting Inviolable Resolve. On the other hand, it does seem to bring another piece that is a threat while also having something that is pretty self-sufficient other than its defense of course.

The other options seem to be more Gallows Groves. Wolf Riders and Reeve Hunters seem like they'd be good for more ranged shots. Reeves might be too, but I doubt anyone will try them (unless I do, we'll see). Wolves of Orboros or Bloodweavers would bring more melee. Lord of the Feast might be ok too.

[Scottl1]

You could always grab some stuff from minions as well like WE&SJ, bullsnapper, and gatorman. Yes it fits a different theme but arm 20 gators with spiny growth screening your beasts may not be a bad idea at 75 nor would slaughterhousers who can clean up stuff wounded by the warpwolves. Yes I also know they dont trigger warpath but its something I prob wouldnt consider til 75.

[PG_cheddercaveman]

Not sure where you're getting ARM 20 Gators from? You aren't going to be able to put enough Spiny Growth out there for that, and you can't put Inviolable Resolve on them as that's friendly Faction.

[Scottl1]

Not sure where you're getting ARM 20 Gators from? You aren't going to be able to put enough Spiny Growth out there for that, and you can't put Inviolable Resolve on them as that's friendly Faction.

I can cast it twice. There is only 3-5 gatorman per posse. Don't need more then 3 with proper spacing and medium bases.

[ringsnake]

This is a great write up. Anything that makes me rethink my own assumptions is good. I look forward to you doing one for Grayle!

Another point against Wayfarers, for me, is that Hunter's Mark always misses. I've missed a Legion heavy beast with that spell. Twice. When you rely on that extra 2" and free charge you're not in a good place when it misses. A pair of them are good in other lists, but not with Kromac.

[ringsnake]

Skillt:

On rereading this article, I did notice one error/oversight. You state that Constance is a Cygnar caster. This is incorrect. She is a mercs caster, and with mercs she's frighteningly good. One of our local players used her with an enormous mass of Steelheads and Horgenhold plus all the expected utility solos and Gallant as her only warjack. Horgenholds run up to ARM:23+ pretty quickly under her feat, which makes it difficult for even our warbeasts to destroy them without boosting damage. Very large masses of Steelheads can also be problematic in a way that most Cygnar units are not.

She's a totally different animal as a merc than as a Cygnar caster.

[Meatloafman91]

So everyone says that when Kromac loses the Stalker, and therefore Lightning Strike, its downhill for Kromac. Well, what if he played the Farrow Bone Grinders that can buff the range of rift, or cast their magical ranged attack and if/when the Stalker dies they start throwing out Lightning Strike onto the remaining wolves. The Bone Grinders only cost two points. They will only be added after Shifting Stones, Druid Wilder etc. What do you guys think?

[PG_BloodRath]

this thread shed a lot of light on questions i have had about special K and im very happy to have taken the time to read this as it changed my view on many things reguarding kromak. thank you will for takeingt the time to write this up

[pzach]

I noticed there were not tips for the skorne match ups. Is this because you don't play against skorne, or haven't gotten around to writing a skorne match ups.

(i realize im commenting an old post, sorry)

[skillt]

Haven't got around to writing it ;-)

I'll get there some day...

Will

[Delta8725]

So I've been following the Kromac guide for some time now. I was really considering making the plunge and taking Circle as a second faction (I play Menoth, currently). I had a few questions about the new units being released and how they work with Kromac.

Bloodpack: These are the guys I got excited over. Are they worth taking with him? Obviously they are competing with Woldstalkers, but they could be a decent alternative (on paper). Being able to screen him combined with the long range of the bows + warpath sounds good in theory, however, the cost of the group compared to the Woldstalkers seems like a deal breaker. I like the models, but I don't want to buy the models and have them end up being a waste. I don't even consider heart eater; it seems like a bonus, but not something you want to go out of your way to trigger.

Riphorn: OK, this guy seems awesome in many different ways (come on plastic 3-model kit!). Smash and grab is a real winner. I'm not experienced enough to comment on Bulldoze, but it seems great at getting behind their lines or opening charge lanes.

Razorwing Griffon: The ability to trample anything and with primal/wild aggression gives me the impression that he can act as a ballistic missile that tramples and trades with a support piece. However, it seems the griffon is better suited elsewhere.

[Cassiaus]

Thanks you've really opened my mind to some Kromac possibilities. IF khador have always given me problems, the Rift spam + feat had been staring me in the face the whole time.

I tend to play an assassination game with Kromac but have problems with back field casters from time to time. I've been considering bog trogs. For support elimination and to force the enemy Warcaster either into the killbox or closer to Kromac than he'd like to be. Either for assassination or bestial. I know it reduces warpath trigger but would it be worth the back field interference?

Basically what's the thoughts on bog trogs with Kromac?

[ringsnake]

Razorwing Griffon: The ability to trample anything and with primal/wild aggression gives me the impression that he can act as a ballistic missile that tramples and trades with a support piece. However, it seems the griffon is better suited elsewhere.

It certainly opens up some possibilities for getting around Saeren's beasts when she pops her feat.

[Moress]

Newbie question. Why doesn't the blackclad wayfarer proc warpath?

[PG_Tommeh]

Warpath triggers on ranged and melee kills. The wayfarer's spray is a spell.

[Phury239]

So theoretically it can proc off his melee attack if be kills something's with it but not off his spray.

[Moress]

I thought ranged magic attacks were still considered ranged attacks?

[Mattho2k3]

Blackclads spray is a magic attack not a range attack.

[PG_Tommeh]

I thought ranged magic attacks were still considered ranged attacks?

Nope, if they were, Blur (for example) would not be worded as +3 def vs ranged and magic. Or warpath would just state 'attacks' instead of specifying.

[Moress]

Nope, if they were, Blur (for example) would not be worded as +3 def vs ranged and magic. Or warpath would just state 'attacks' instead of specifying.

Fair enough.